Hal Lindsay And Time LaHaye Were Deceived

[tailgator]

What are you talking about ? What verses, about a "long time of peace" ?

You said by and by is a long time .
You said it would be a long time before nation rises against nation
So I'm asking you when is this long time of peace when nation does not rise against nation?


Luke 21
9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

 

[tailgator]

Your post is too incoherent for me to respond to. Also, you have not referred to any scripture passages to the above.

Where are you getting that anyone gives the beast the false prophet ?

So you do not comprehend anything about the king of the north and the beast .

Do you understand anything about Donald Trump and Israel?

They are called ,allies

 

[Douggg]

You said by and by is a long time .
You said it would be a long time before nation rises against nation

No, I did not say either of those things. You left out the word "not".

Here is what I wrote... (in my post #152)

"not by and by" is a phrase for meaning not anytime soon.

Jesus was saying the end would be a long way off.

 

[tailgator]

No, I did not say either of those things. You left out the word "not".

Here is what I wrote... (in my post #152)

"not by and by" is a phrase for meaning not anytime soon.

Jesus was saying the end would be a long way off.

Then he proceeded to describe the end when nation comes against nation.

When Israel's enemies overcome them and take Jerusalem .Taking many Jews into captivity and scattering them in the nations.
And them in Judea flee to the mountains on the day of the Lord .



Zech 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.





Exactly what Jesus described in the Olivet discourse about the end when nation rises against nation and kingdom.agaimst kingdom.

 

[Douggg]

Then he proceeded to describe the end when nation comes against nation.

From Luke 21:9-24 is about what would take place during the life time of the disciples.

The time of the end is not until our generation.

When Israel's enemies overcome them and take Jerusalem .Taking many Jews into captivity and scattering them in the nations.
And them in Judea flee to the mountains on the day of the Lord .

Zech 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Zechariah 14:2 does not mean taken into captivity into the nations.

It means that half of the city will be taken captive as hostages - as part of the kings of the earth's plan to keep Jesus from executing judgment on them.

Those hostages will escape through the valley created when Jesus stands on the Mt of Olives. Look at my graphic down at the bottom of the Jews escaping.

 

[tailgator]

From Luke 21:9-24 is about what would take place during the life time of the disciples.

The time of the end is not until our generation.


Zechariah 14:2 does not mean taken into captivity into the nations.

It means that half of the city will be taken captive as hostages - as part of the kings of the earth's plan to keep Jesus from executing judgment on them.

Those hostages will escape through the valley created when Jesus stands on the Mt of Olives. Look at my graphic down at the bottom of the Jews escaping.



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False.
Luke 21:10-11 is about the time of the end.

Luke
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.




Luke 21:12-19 is about the tribulation when the beast persecutes the saints .


Luke 21
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

19 In your patience possess ye your souls.







Luke 21:20-24 is about the time of God's wrath upon them who worshiped the beast and took it's mark.

Luke 21
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.






Luke 21:25-28 is about the great tribulation and the coming of Jesus.



Luke 21
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.








The Olivet discourse covers the final 3.5 years from.the time the false prophet arrives in Israel till Christ comes.The 42 months in which the saints in Israel are persecuted by the beast.

 

[Douggg]

Luke 21:25-28 is about the great tribulation and the coming of Jesus.

Luke 21:25-36 is, but Luke 21:8-23 is about the destruction of the temple in 70 ad... in left column of the chart I made comparing the like verses in Luke 21, Matthew 24, Mark 13.

 

[tailgator]

Luke 21:25-36 is, but Luke 21:8-23 is about the destruction of the temple in 70 ad... in left column of the chart I made comparing the like verses in Luke 21, Matthew 24, Mark 13.

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Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.




Luke 21:10-11 is about the sixth seal when there is a great earthquake and great fearful sights in the heavens.It takes place after the united states goes forth to annihilate everything in the middle east.Ofcoarse you don't know anything about these things.



Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

 

[Douggg]

Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

Luke 21:10-11 is about the sixth seal when there is a great earthquake and great fearful sights in the heavens.It takes place after the united states goes forth to annihilate everything in the middle east.Ofcoarse you don't know anything about these things.



Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

What did Jesus refer to in verse 6 ? And what was asked in verse 7 ?

Luke 21:
5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

When was the temple destroyed and the Jews led away captive into all nations ?

 

[tailgator]

What did Jesus refer to in verse 6 ? And what was asked in verse 7 ?

Luke 21:
5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

When was the temple destroyed and the Jews led away captive into all nations ?

The Jews are led away captive into all nations on the day of the Lord .They choose the wrong king to worship

Amos 5
“Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings
forty years in the wilderness, people of Israel?
26 You have lifted up the shrine of your king,
the pedestal of your idols,
the star of your god[b]—
which you made for yourselves.
27 Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,”
says the Lord, whose name is God Almighty.



Zech 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

 

[Douggg]

The Jews are led away captive into all nations on the day of the Lord .They choose the wrong king to worship

You are not able to answer my two questions about what Luke 21 verses 6 and 7 say ? Try again.


What did Jesus refer to in verse 6 ? And what was asked in verse 7 ?

Luke 21:
5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

When was the temple destroyed and the Jews led away captive into all nations ?

 

[tailgator]

You are not able to answer my two questions about what Luke 21 verses 6 and 7 say ? Try again.


What did Jesus refer to in verse 6 ? And what was asked in verse 7 ?

Luke 21:
5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

When was the temple destroyed and the Jews led away captive into all nations ?

There are stones left standing up on each other .

The Jews call it the western wall and they worship it.



I expect there will not be left one stone upon another.

 

[Douggg]

The Jews are led away captive into all nations on the day of the Lord .They choose the wrong king to worship

Amos 5
“Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings
forty years in the wilderness, people of Israel?
26 You have lifted up the shrine of your king,
the pedestal of your idols,
the star of your god[b]—
which you made for yourselves.
27 Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,”
says the Lord, whose name is God Almighty.

Amos was a prophet who lived 814-740 BC. Amos live right before the northern kingdom of Israel went into Assyrian captivity for worshiping false gods. Assyrian captivity began in 732 BC.

You are quoting from the NIV which leaves out the false gods of Moloch and Chun in verse 26. The kjv includes those gods.

Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

 

[Douggg]

There are stones left standing up on each other .

The Jews call it the western wall and they worship it.



I expect there will not be left one stone upon another.

The western wall is a retaining wall of the temple mount platform, not the actual temple itself.

The point is that Luke 21:6-7 establishes that what Jesus spoke of in Luke 21:10-24 was the period between the temple of that day and its destruction, and the Jews being lead away captives into the nations - which has been documented as being in 70 ad.

 

[tailgator]

Amos was a prophet who lived 814-740 BC. Amos live right before the northern kingdom of Israel went into Assyrian captivity for worshiping false gods. Assyrian captivity began in 732.

You are quoting from the NIV which leaves out the false gods of Moloch and Chun in verse 26. The kjv includes those gods.

Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

Moloch=King
The beast.


Amos prophecy of the day of the Lord.
Have you ever heard of the day of the Lord?

 

[tailgator]

The western wall is a retaining wall of the temple mount platform, not the actual temple itself.

The point is that Luke 21:6-7 establishes that what Jesus spoke of in Luke 21:10-24 was the period between the temple of that day and its destruction, and the Jews being lead away captives into the nations - which has been documented at being in 70 ad.

More than one stone left upon another.
One of these days they will be thrown down.

 

[Douggg]

Moloch=King
The beast.


Amos prophecy of the day of the Lord.
Have you ever heard of the day of the Lord?

Amos in Amos 5 was prophesying against the elite and rulers of the northern kingdom. Amos was not saying that the day of the Lord would happen in their day. But that the elite and rules were not worthy of being a part of the day of Lord, considered to be a time of peace and tranquility. Instead, they were going to experience some hard times.

btw, I found this site which has a table of when the prophets lived.

Chronology of the Prophets - UnderstandChristianity.com

This chart provides a chronology of the Old Testament prophets, with approximate dates of each prophet's ministry and the kings under whom they served.

www.understandchristianity.com

 

[tailgator]

Amos in Amos 5 was prophesying against the elite and rulers of the northern kingdom. Amos was not saying that the day of the Lord would happen in their day. But that the elite and rules were not worthy of being a part of the day of Lord, considered to be a time of peace and tranquility. Instead, they were going to experience some hard times.

btw, I found this site which has a table of when the prophets lived.

Chronology of the Prophets - UnderstandChristianity.com

This chart provides a chronology of the Old Testament prophets, with approximate dates of each prophet's ministry and the kings under whom they served.

www.understandchristianity.com

You believe the day of the Lord is a time of peace and tranquility?

Say again?

 

[Douggg]

You believe the day of the Lord is a time of peace and tranquility?

Say again?

The day of the Lord is not a single 24 hour day. It is a time period lasting for over a thousand years on the present earth, and after that for eternity.

There are segments to the day of the Lord. It begins when the Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God. Which sets off over three and years of great troubles - that do not end until Jesus returns.

And then the peace and tranquility begins when Jesus begins his thousand year reign. At the end of those thousand years, Satan will be released from the bottomless pit for one last deception of the nations and their rebellion in Revelation 20:7-10.

Then this present earth and its heaven destroyed and the Great White Throne Judgment takes place.

Then the new heaven, new earth, new Jerusalem in Revelation 21-22, which lasts for eternity.

 

[tailgator]

The day of the Lord is not a single 24 hour day. It is a time period lasting for over a thousand years on the present earth, and after that for eternity.

There are segments to the day of the Lord. It begins when the Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God. Which sets off over three and years of great troubles - that do not end until Jesus returns.

And then the peace and tranquility begins when Jesus begins his thousand year reign. At the end of those thousand years, Satan will be released from the bottomless pit for one last deception of the nations and their rebellion in Revelation 20:7-10.

Then this present earth and its heaven destroyed and the Great White Throne Judgment takes place.

Then the new heaven, new earth, new Jerusalem in Revelation 21-22, which lasts for eternity.

Now according to both amos and Zechariah ,the Jews in Israel are led away captive on the day of the Lord. The Jewish women are raped by the nations that capture Jerusalem


Why do suppose the Jews are cast out of the kingdom (the o into exile)when Jesus and the saints arrive in Jerusalem?