God Created All Humanity When He Created Adam

[JBO]

Not necessarily.

Have you never done something that you later say "I did without thinking"?

Emotions, feelings, hormones, enzymes, physical or mental illnesses, etc., are not rationalized; They affect our bodies and cause attitudes that are sometimes uncontrollable and actions that are practically inevitable.

For example, people with elevated cholesterol and blood pressure tend to be more prone to anger.

Sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4). It is a conscious decision to disobey the law.

 

[ElieG12]

Sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4). It is a conscious decision to disobey the law.

Then do you think what I just said is not true?

 

[JBO]

Then do you think what I just said is not true?

I think that what you said is not correct. It sounds good to blame someone else for your own mistakes, but in the case of sin, it is always you.

 

[ElieG12]

I think that what you said is not correct. It sounds good to blame someone else for your own mistakes, but in the case of sin, it is always you.

Maybe the problem is you think on "sin" in the sense of voluntary sin, but there is involuntary sin, whose reasons are precisely that our bodies are imperfect.

Many physical or mental illnesses cause specific behaviors. To deny that would be to blind oneself to reality.

Since we have genetically inherited defects after defects, with each new mutation that degrades our bodies, we are practically prone to sin.

In fact, any defect that deviates from the perfect is considered a sin, because the basic meaning of that term is "missing the mark."

 

[RedFan]

God must, because of His holiness, punish sin. Forgiveness of the sin is not punishment for sin. Sin must be punished. Jesus took our place in the punishment for sin.

Tell me where the holiness is, where the justice is, where the logic is in punishing A for B's sin.

 

[RedFan]

The crucifixion was not for forgiveness. It was punishment of sin. Forgiveness was obtained in the animal sacrifices. Forgiveness was obtained in the baptism of John. Neither paid the price of punishment for sin. That was what we received from Jesus' death on the cross. And that is received only by those who believe in God and obey the gospel. For those who do not believe nor obey the gospel, they will end up paying the price of punishment for sin which for them is eternal condemnation.

How is it justice to punish A for the sins of B?

 

[ScottA]

Where did your spirit come from?

All born as children of sinful Adam receive their spirit from their father the devil. For this reason all die, even the unborn. Only those born again of the spirit of God receive their spirit from God.

 

[ScottA]

No, I am not mistaken.

Adam and Eve were created with sinful flesh. Otherwise why did they sin?

It is man's spirit given him by God at or before birth. It was a perfectly good spirit. And yes, once one has sinned, his spirit is no longer as it was when God gave it. He needs to be reborn to once again renew it to the condition that it was when God first gave it. That is why it is called born again.

That is not the biblical account, not the truth.

On the contrary, Adam was created and given the breath of life from God, but then sinned against God and was condemned to die. It is written that after Adam and Eve sinned, they knew they were "naked", meaning laid bare and helpless...the result of loosing the holy spirit of God. Then the stipulation was given by God, saying, "And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”— Which is to say, in order to be "renewed again" (Hebrews 6) we must also partake of Christ and His baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is the spirit of God.

 

[JBO]

Tell me where the holiness is, where the justice is, where the logic is in punishing A for B's sin.

God never punishes A for B's sin.

 

[JBO]

How is it justice to punish A for the sins of B?

He doesn't.

 

[JBO]

All born as children of sinful Adam receive their spirit from their father the devil. For this reason all die, even the unborn. Only those born again of the spirit of God receive their spirit from God.

Ridiculous. Chapter and verse please.

 

[RedFan]

He doesn't.

Didn't Jesus get punished for our sins?

 

[JBO]

That is not the biblical account, not the truth.

On the contrary, Adam was created and given the breath of life from God, but then sinned against God and was condemned to die. It is written that after Adam and Eve sinned, they knew they were "naked", meaning laid bare and helpless...the result of loosing the holy spirit of God. Then the stipulation was given by God, saying, "And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”— Which is to say, in order to be "renewed again" (Hebrews 6) we must also partake of Christ and His baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is the spirit of God.

Where do you get that stuff? Not from the Bible.

 

[JBO]

Didn't Jesus get punished for our sins?

Jesus offered Himself up for our sins.

 

[RedFan]

God never punishes A for B's sin.

Even though God enjoins the opposite on us (Deut. 24:16), it seems that God Himself is not skittish about punishing children and grandchildren for the sins of a father (Ex. 34:7, Num. 14:18, Deut. 5:9; but see Ezek. 18:20).

 

[RedFan]

Jesus offered Himself up for our sins.

No doubt he went to the cross willingly. But it was still punishment on our behalf rather than for his own transgressions.

 

[JBO]

Even though God enjoins the opposite on us (Deut. 24:16), it seems that God Himself is not skittish about punishing children and grandchildren for the sins of a father (Ex. 34:7, Num. 14:18, Deut. 5:9; but see Ezek. 18:20).

Physically, yes. The child of an alcoholic will most likely suffer as a result of the parents addition. But they will not suffer eternal condemnation based upon anything other than their own sins.

 

[JBO]

No doubt he went to the cross willingly. But it was still punishment on our behalf rather than for his own transgressions.

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

Another one of those things we don't fully understand with the trinity.

 

[ScottA]

Where do you get that stuff? Not from the Bible.

The words of scripture according to men, may not always appear to mean the same thing, but the Spirit makes straight.

 

[JBO]

The words of scripture according to men, may not always appear to mean the same thing, but the Spirit makes straight.

What does that even mean?