Fundamentalism

[Mayflower]

Now see, believers in transubstantiation really DO think the elements are changed into the real thing.

My friend used to be Catholic, and when she started going to a Christian church, she would gag during the Lord's supper when people chewed the bread. Because she believed it really turned into Christ's Body. She said it took her a long time to view it in a different way.

 

[teamventure]

Christmas as a secular non-religious holiday, found in nearly every culture in the world.

Well, I wasn't asking about cultural practices but things that have been adopted and considered scriptural truths.

 

[teamventure]

I have heard of tongues as a fundamental of the Christian faith. I don't believe it to be part of salvation, but I do believe it as a prayer language and also still relevant for today. I think this is probably one Christians disagree on...as well as healings, views on prosperity, etc. The sign gifts.

So what are the fundamentalist views on tongues, healing, prosperity, and gifts?

 

[farouk]

And there you have it. Nothing wrong with fundamentalism. As I thought.
So many people falling away from the truth it is sad.
But we must stand to the end and overcome by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of his testimony.
Thank You Enoch and Shalom.

I agree strongly about the Biblical, doctrinal aspects mentioned.

But try also the subjective dress codes sometimes strongly promoted;

Try the American (and even British) nationalism which sometimes underlies an unwillingness to see matters from the perspective of other peoples, and the not unusual, latent hostility to foreigners whom the Lord may have brought to Christians in North America for exposure to the Gospel;

Try also the widespread, unquestioning assumption sometimes made that big business and the interests of large corporations and their advocates government is supposedly in everyone's interests;

Try also the dispensationalism which is often strongly promoted (in my humble view, a good thing), yet which sometimes inconsistently confuses the three entities in 1 Corinthians 10.32; as if the church and certain Gentile nations or the church and unbelieving Israel somehow share the same interests;

....(the list can go on).... :)

 

[Willie T]

I agree strongly about the Biblical, doctrinal aspects mentioned.

But try also the subjective dress codes sometimes strongly promoted;

Try the American (and even British) nationalism which sometimes underlies an unwillingness to see matters from the perspective of other peoples, and the not unusual, latent hostility to foreigners whom the Lord may have brought to Christians in North America for exposure to the Gospel;

Try also the widespread, unquestioning assumption sometimes made that big business and the interests of large corporations and their advocates government is supposedly in everyone's interests;

Try also the dispensationalism which is often strongly promoted (in my humble view, a good thing), yet which sometimes inconsistently confuses the three entities in 1 Corinthians 10.32; as if the church and certain Gentile nations or the church and unbelieving Israel somehow share the same interests;

....(the list can go on).... :)

Are you not aware of how quickly you would be shunned for your Tattoos in most Fundamentalist churches? To most of their narrow thinking, you have deliberately and openly violated God's law, flaunting your demonstration of disrespect.

 

[Nondenom40]

Now see, believers in transubstantiation really DO think the elements are changed into the real thing.

Right and catholics don't apply themselves here by looking at all of scripture. They pull a few verses out of Jn 6 to make up their dogma. So 'study to show yourself approved..' isn't being done here.

 

[Nondenom40]

Are you not aware of how quickly you would be shunned for your Tattoos in most Fundamentalist churches? To most of their narrow thinking, you have deliberately and openly violated God's law, flaunting your demonstration of disrespect.

Well i guess that means my church isn't the fundie type then. We have people with tats that are great men and women of God. We have a mix of ethnicities but we are small compared to many churches. Your continued attempt to speak down at fundimentalist churches is failing. And btw, any denom or religion can be labeled fundamentalist by it practices and beliefs.

 

[Willie T]

Well i guess that means my church isn't the fundie type then. We have people with tats that are great men and women of God. We have a mix of ethnicities but we are small compared to many churches. Your continued attempt to speak down at fundimentalist churches is failing. And btw, any denom or religion can be labeled fundamentalist by it practices and beliefs.

NOW, you are finally catching on..... it has nothing to do with Denomination, but rather religious prejudices.

 

[Nondenom40]

NOW, you are finally catching on..... it has nothing to do with Denomination, but rather religious prejudices.

Right, so a broad brushed generalization regarding 'fundamentalism' isn't the best approach right?

 

[Willie T]

Right, so a broad brushed generalization regarding 'fundamentalism' isn't the best approach right?

IMO, that is correct. As Forrest Gump's mother said. "Stupid is, as Stupid does." It boils down to the perversion of Scripture through distorted individual interpretations.
And this makes the whole thing tough.... because I firmly believe the verses of the Bible SHOULD be open to individual belief. Unfortunately, many of us are either blinded by "something", or else we refuse to study the FULL Bible.

 

[Nondenom40]

IMO, that is correct. As Forrest Gump's mother said. "Stupid is, as Stupid does." It boils down to the perversion of Scripture through distorted individual interpretations.
And this makes the whole thing tough.... because I firmly believe the verses of the Bible SHOULD be open to individual belief. Unfortunately, many of us are either blinded by "something", or else we refuse to study the FULL Bible.

Which is why i quoted 2 Tim 2:15 earlier. We can be approved by God to accurately handle His word...through studying. Our interpretations either compliment scripture or it doesn't. Some are simply ignorant of the bible as a whole, others have an agenda and have to bend or outright break scripture to make it fit their church...i.e. lds, jws, roman catholic church.....

 

[farouk]

Right, so a broad brushed generalization regarding 'fundamentalism' isn't the best approach right?

J I Packer's Fundamentalism and the Word of God, IVP, is a useful book.

 

[farouk]

Well i guess that means my church isn't the fundie type then. We have people with tats that are great men and women of God. We have a mix of ethnicities but we are small compared to many churches.

A church's spiritual vibrancy is found in to prayerful, doctrinal commitment to the Scriptures its love to one another and to the lost; and certainly like you say many Christians holding to Bible truth have received - and do receive - tattooing, whether in faith based designs or not; and - yes - they include Godly women that receive it: you are entirely right.

 

[farouk]

@Pearl FYI; if I'm not mistaken the term Fundamentalist isn't used quite as much by Bible based Christians in the UK, is it?

 

[farouk]

Which is why i quoted 2 Tim 2:15 earlier. We can be approved by God to accurately handle His word...through studying. Our interpretations either compliment scripture or it doesn't.

We need the gracious help of the Holy Spirit rather than a degree in theology to understand Scripture, which is centred on the Person and Work of Christ.

 

[Nondenom40]

We need the gracious help of the Holy Spirit rather than a degree in theology to understand Scripture, which is centred on the Person and Work of Christ.

I'm assuming the person is a christian in the first place in order to fulfill 2 Tim 2. Atheists can't accurately handle Gods word since they are spiritually incapable of understanding. Same with any non believer.

 

[farouk]

I'm assuming the person is a christian in the first place in order to fulfill 2 Tim 2. Atheists can't accurately handle Gods word since they are spiritually incapable of understanding. Same with any non believer.

Exactly; as Romans 8 says, the has to be the filial 'Abba, Father' cry...

 

[Pearl]

@Pearl FYI; if I'm not mistaken the term Fundamentalist isn't used quite as much by Bible based Christians in the UK, is it?

Never heard it applied to Christians but often used for extremists of other faiths. The term that would probably used for Christians would likely be 'radicals' as in the 'The Radical Christian' by Arthur Wallis.

 

[CharismaticLady]

THE FALLEN STATE OF MANKIND
4. We believe that man was created in the image of God, that he sinned and thereby incurred not only physical death, but also that spiritual death which is separation from God, and that all human beings are born with a sinful nature, and, in the case of those who reach moral responsibility, become sinners in thought, word, and deed.

THE SUBSTITUTIONARY SACRIFICE OF CHRIST
5. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures as a representative and substitutionary sacrifice; and that all who believe in Him are justified on the ground of his shed blood.

and

REGENERATION THROUGH THE NEW BIRTH
8. We believe that all who receive by faith the Lord Jesus Christ are born again of the Holy Spirit, and thereby become the children of God.

My question to you Enoch, is why if the last one is true, and we are children of God, do you believe we still sin. That is not a child of God, but a slave to sin. John 8:34-36

 

[Jay Ross]

We should remember that the term "Fundamentalism" is not restricted to only the Christian fundamentals. It is also applicable in all religions and it brings out the worst in each religious form.