Limited atonement is a false gospel

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Do you hear the clanging cymbal yet?

Titus 3:10

"A person that is an HERETIC after the first and second admonition REJECT; knowing that they = is such is Subverted,

You dont have to like it. @Rockerduck
But you do have to obey it, if you are in charge of a group, assembly, church, or denomination.

And this also..

""""""You foolish Galatians! Who has BEWITCHED you?

New Living Translation
Oh, foolish Galatians! Who has cast a spell upon you?

English Standard Version
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you?

Berean Standard Bible
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you?

Berean Literal Bible
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you,

King James Bible
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth,

New King James Version
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth,

New American Standard Bible
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you,

NASB 1995
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you,

NASB 1977
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you,
 

Ritajanice

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I referenced the timetable question with the calling. God Choses some and calls many. Thats the best way to describe it. The Chosen are filled with the spirit for a lifetime and are evangelical, excited, enjoy life fuller, because of the washing of the Blood and being cleansed. I understand exactly what you are saying.
I’m glad someone does....many don’t...LOL....hehehe.
 

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Crikey....what does his audible voice sound like?

Do you hear him internally from within your spirit or externally?

Do you hear him calling you outside of you?
It is within and is a male voice, and it is perfect English, and not my voice. Jesus also speaks with a different voice and in perfect English. One time Jesus corrected me, and it was the thunder voice and to the marrow of my bones. The response from me is from my mouth. Mostly just saying ok, because you don't argue with God, what He says goes. You can be at the loudest place, but you will still hear the Holy Spirit clearly.
 
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Ritajanice

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Do you hear the clanging cymbal yet?

1 Corinthians 13

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13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity
 

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Titus 3:10

"A person that is an HERETIC after the first and second admonition REJECT; knowing that they = is such is Subverted,

You dont have to like it. @Rockerduck
But you do have to obey it, if you are in charge of a group, assembly, church, or denomination.

And this also..

""""""You foolish Galatians! Who has BEWITCHED you?

New Living Translation
Oh, foolish Galatians! Who has cast a spell upon you?

English Standard Version
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you?

Berean Standard Bible
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you?

Berean Literal Bible
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you,

King James Bible
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth,

New King James Version
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth,

New American Standard Bible
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you,

NASB 1995
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you,

NASB 1977
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you,
I love you.
 
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It is within and is a male voice, and it is perfect English, and not my voice. Jesus also speaks with a different voice and in perfect English. One time Jesus corrected me, and it was the thunder voice and to the marrow of my bones. The response from me is from my mouth. Mostly just saying ok, because you don't argue with God, what He says goes. You can be at the loudest place, but you will still hear the Holy Spirit clearly.
Amen!....I too understand what you are saying....when God showed me his will for an area of my life...he revealed his will to my heart, again, it can’t be explained....once I understood it.....I wouldn’t dare go against his will....it has me shaking in my boots, just thinking about it...

I’m waiting on him at the moment....have you noticed that God always shows up, when you are least expecting him?

Be prepared for the unexpected..LOL.

The problem with me is...I want to rush him....I’ve given up trying..his timing is perfect.
 

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Limited Atonement is limited in that...only the Born Again will see the Kingdom Of God.

Faith is a supernatural gift from God..as his word says.

In the same way that repentance is granted by God (Acts 11:18; 2 Tim. 2:25), faith is also a supernatural gift of God. Ephesians 2:8–9affirms this: “By grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.”

1 Corinthians 12-14​

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12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way


  • John 6:29
    Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."
  • Romans 8:29
    For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
  • Romans 9:11
    (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
  • Romans 9:15
    For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion."
  • 1 Corinthians 10:13
    No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God isfaithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.
  • Ephesians 2:1
    And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
  • James 1:17
    Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.
  • Romans 2:4
    Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?
  • Romans 6:23
    For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

  • Romans 9:22-23
    What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
  • Romans 5:1
    Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
  • Ephesians 2:4-5
    But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
  • Ephesians 1:5
    having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
No man , no woman who is born again calleth JESUS accursed .
He who believes JESUS is the CHRIST is born of GOD .
NO man , no woman who is born again of GOD would have rejected JESUS AS the CHRIST .
FOR by the SPIRIT we call HIM LORD , not budda , not muhammed , no other false religoin . WE CALL JESUS LORD .
As i am quite sure you do agree .
 

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No man , no woman who is born again calleth JESUS accursed .
He who believes JESUS is the CHRIST is born of GOD .
NO man , no woman who is born again of GOD would have rejected JESUS AS the CHRIST .
FOR by the SPIRIT we call HIM LORD , not budda , not muhammed , no other false religoin . WE CALL JESUS LORD .
As i am quite sure you do agree .
Brother do you agree, that we die when God says we die?...as in flesh?
 

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I find it hard to understand that others do not have the excited, "mind blowing", Power of the Holy Spirit and knowledge of their eternal security in Christ. I like this hymn. "Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine, oh what a foretaste of Glory divine", heir of salvation, purchase of God, Born of His Spirit, washed in His Blood.
This says nothing about eternal security, but everything about assurance. It even states a believer is heir to salvation, not that it was guaranteed to him in his lifetime.
 

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Titus 3:10

"A person that is an HERETIC after the first and second admonition REJECT; knowing that they = is such is Subverted,

You dont have to like it. @Rockerduck
But you do have to obey it, if you are in charge of a group, assembly, church, or denomination.

And this also..

""""""You foolish Galatians! Who has BEWITCHED you?

New Living Translation
Oh, foolish Galatians! Who has cast a spell upon you?

English Standard Version
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you?

Berean Standard Bible
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you?

Berean Literal Bible
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you,

King James Bible
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth,

New King James Version
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth,

New American Standard Bible
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you,

NASB 1995
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you,

NASB 1977
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you,
SO THEN Why do so many follow a fake false love of this world , this interfaith anti christ lie .
Which by a false love that accepts sins and UNBELIEF has made the road to GOD VERY DARN broad .
IF any man preaches ANY OTHER , and that do mean ANY OTHER gospel unto you
WE AINT SUPPOSED TO SIT and FIND COMMON GROUND WITH SUCH .
WHY o why is this generation making the road to GOD so very darn broad . If any cometh
and brings not this doctrine , DO NOT even let them into your house DO NOT even bid them god speed .
YET TODAY its all about finding common ground WITH DARKNESS . I EXPOSE IT ALL my friend .
I will do so no matter the cost to me . I SUGGEST we all get busing DOING SO .
 

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I love you.


Paul teaches...

"Be a follow of ME........as i follow Christ'...

So, that is not just His Lifestyle, His Discipleship.....but its to be a follower by learning His DOCTRINE.

See, if you dont learn it, then you can't grow spiritually, as What He Teaches, and Spiritual Growth, are unified.

When you find some baby Christian, saved 50 yrs......trying to prove that they can lose their salvation, and all they want to talk about is "tongues" and so forth.........then they have never become deeply affiliated with Paul's Doctrine.
They are this one.

=Hebrews 6:1.

whereas..

When you study Paul's doctrine........God rewards you with revelation knowledge....>>He build a firm foundation inside you, that is "Grace based", and from that foundation God spiritually builds you into a mature "spiritual house" and Paul defines those like this...

"As many as Be PERFECT"......and that "perfect" means.....>"having the full knowledge of God'"........to be able to see and discern at a supernatural level at all times.
To ARRIVE THERE., God causes..but you have to do what i told you.

And to arrive is to become...>>"the fullness of the Stature of Christ".

So, you remember what i just showed you, as noone else on "forums" can do this for you.
And you can look all you like, and all you'll find is CALVINISM, and theological nonsense.
Reliious People posting 40 verse per post, that they can't understand, and then they say....>>"proved it".

-Ok then.
 

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Brother do you agree, that we die when God says we die?...as in flesh?
well it depends on what you mean sister .
WE are to die to the flesh daily .
BUT if you mean when we breath our last that only the body dies . AGAIN you would be right .
BUT WHEN an unbeliever DIES IN HIS SIN , SISTER that is one NASTY JUDGMENT gonna come upon them .
You see , WE WHO HAVE CHRIST HAVE ETERNAL LIFE and shall never die . YES . NEVER DIE .
BUT as JESUS once said to the JEWS who beleived not
IF YOU BELEIVE NOT that I AM HE ye shall DIE IN YOUR SINS . THAT IS JUST AS TRUE .
What man can overcome death sister . THE very death that eve and adam brought unto us
ONLY CHRIST JESUS COULD OVERCOME . and if folks wanna reject HIM
THEN IN DEATH they remain and the THE SECOND DEATH is their end . again that is a fact sister .
BUT FOR US , WE LIVE FOREVER WITH HE WHO SAVED US and KEPT us from falling . WHAT HOPE WE HAVE IN THE GLORIOUS LORD .
AND there is NO HOPE IN ANY OTHER . vain is the help of man , MAN cannot save himself .
GOD can . JESUS IS THE ONLY HOPE and ONLY ANSWER < ONLY SOLUTOIN . and its HIGH time we preach that NAME
with the DIRE REMINDER of the absolute necessity for all to BELIEVE ON HIM .
 

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Paul teaches...

"Be a follow of ME........as i follow Christ'...

So, that is not just His Lifestyle, His Discipleship.....but its to be a follower by learning His DOCTRINE.

See, if you dont learn it, then you can't grow spiritually, as What He Teaches, and Spiritual Growth, are unified.

When you find some baby Christian, saved 50 yrs......trying to prove that they can lose their salvation, and all they want to talk about is "tongues" and so forth.........then they have never become deeply affiliated with Paul's Doctrine.
They are this one.

=Hebrews 6:1.

whereas..

When you study Paul's doctrine........God rewards you with revelation knowledge....>>He build a firm foundation inside you, that is "Grace based", and from that foundation God spiritually builds you into a mature "spiritual house" and Paul defines those like this...

"As many as Be PERFECT"......and that "perfect" means.....>"having the full knowledge of God'"........to be able to see and discern at a supernatural level at all times.
To ARRIVE THERE., God causes..but you have to do what i told you.

And to arrive is to become...>>"the fullness of the Stature of Christ".

So, you remember what i just showed you, as noone else on "forums" can do this for you.
And you can look all you like, and all you'll find is CALVINISM, and theological nonsense.
Reliious People posting 40 verse per post, that they can't understand, and then they say....>>"proved it".

-Ok then.
Jesus is all I need. Thank you. And may you feel the Love of Christ the way I have. I love to you in Christ Jesus.
 

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I’m talking about, when we take our last breath?
When we take our last breath , its true the body shall die
and this mortal WILL then have put on immortality . YES go read corinthians chapter fifteen . ITS SO Lovely sister .
THANKS BE TO GOD , TO HIS CHRIST , WE WILL NEVER DIE SISTER . only this body will .
FOR as the body without the spirit is dead ................
BUT we shall have new glorified bodies . I can hardly wait sister . it truly is something great and wonderful to look foreward too .
BUT allow me to remind us of A MYSTERY . and sister , I Wait for it with much hope .
WE shall not all sleep . YES SISTER there is a generation in which THE LORD SHALL COME .
AND both we and the dead in christ shall fly forever HOME to THE KING WHO saved us . OH its true i dont fully understand this
BUT MAN it sounds lovely . WHEN this mortal shall have shed its mortal coil
and shall have put on immortality . The last enemy that shall be destoyed is death .
IT has , but we have not yet seen it . The moment we breath our last OR THE LORD DO COME
The saying O death where is thy sting , shall be sung sister . CAUSE THANKS TO JESUS , WE WONT BE TASTING IT .
WE have ETERNAL LIFE , FOR WE HAVE JESUS THE CHRIST .
Now dont that make you wanna dance a jig of praise around the house . THANKS TO GOD , THANKS TO HIS CHRIST
we who deserved death twice told , SHALL NOT recieve it , but rather ETERNAL LIFE FOREVER WITH THE KING .
MAN that just makes me wanna praise and thank HIM all the time .
 
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Nope..he opens our heart by his power to receive him..I did nothing....we are birthed by Gods Living testimony ....we received a new heart and spirit within, we are also partakers Of his divine nature..Praise God.
He does His part as the Bridegroom and we do our part as the Bride. Which is simply to not resist and reject Him, but instead receive Him with gladness. He enters into covenant with the willing, not the unwilling, because He is not a spiritual rapist and there is no shotgun wedding in the kingdom of God.
 

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He does His part as the Bridegroom and we do our part as the Bride. Which is simply to not resist and reject Him, but instead receive Him with gladness. He enters into covenant with the willing, not the unwilling, because He is not a spiritual rapist and there is no shotgun wedding in the kingdom of God.
Dance a jig o praise to the GLORIOUS LORD my dear sister . all who reject HIM will wail .
but unto all who DO BELIEVE , Gave he power to become the sons , and yes daughters , OF GOD .
This world can keep its fake love sorry pile of a lie calledinterfaith inclusive love .
CHOOSE YE THIS DAY , and by grace I HAVE , ITS JESUS THE CHRIST
and it darn sure aint politics and the kingdoms of this earth or its men i hope in .
WE HOPE IN GOD sister . NOW to the trenches . TO the trenches i say , cause this be the darkest hour
and darker it do grow by the hour . many cry we see the LIGHT and yet the light that be in them is darkness .
TO the trenches sister . TO the trenches one and all . WE shall not surrender to evil
to the lies of men , to the false love of this world and of the darkness , FOR GREATER IS HE that is within us
than he that is of the world .
 

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Jesus makes it plain when he says in Matthew 25:31-46. Jesus will separate His sheep from the goats. There is limited atonement connected with God's foreknowledge of who are His Sheep. The hard to grasp part is, for me, knowing that God showed me the rejection by some of my family members of Him, that they chose the world over Him.
And His foreknowledge is based on foreknowing who will receive Him (His Spirit) and who won't. The atonement is offered and available to all who are willing, just that not all are willing.
 

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Jesus makes it plain when he says in Matthew 25:31-46. Jesus will separate His sheep from the goats. There is limited atonement connected with God's foreknowledge of who are His Sheep. The hard to grasp part is, for me, knowing that God showed me the rejection by some of my family members of Him, that they chose the world over Him.
This is NOT limited atonement. This is the application of atonement. Only believers made the atonement available to/for them. It is there for the taking. God calls, we answer. He NEVER choses who we will believe.
Christ defeated death just so God could call all men to repentance. He desires that all should be saved. No human being will be able to give God the excuse at judgement that they did not have the opportunity to know Him.
 
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