Five scriptures that clearly teach the Death of Christ saves !

[brightfame52]

One thing i find to be prominent in the religious world, and that's them who dare to utter the blasphemous words:

The death of Christ doesn't save anyone. or The death of Christ doesnt save anyone but His life does, referring to Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now I ask where in this verse does it say "the death of Christ doesnt save anyone" ? It doest ! Yes it says "we shall be saved by His Life" but who is that referring to ? Believers, the already saved, they shall be saved in the future. Salvation is in three tenses scripturally speaking, past, present and future. The we here in the phrase" we shall be saved by his life"are not lost people.

In fact they are saved, justified and reconciled people who Christ died for. And this in fact will be scripture #1 that proves without a shadow of doubt, that Christ's Death alone saved them He died for.

Now how do we know this ? Simple, Paul says that Believers were reconciled to God while being enemies or unbelievers. Now to be reconciled to God is Salvation, at least an aspect of it, its to be saved from the penalty of sin, and to be put into a right relationship with God, to be received into His Favour. The word reconciled here is the greek word katallassō and means:

to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value

1. to reconcile (those who are at variance)return to favour with, be reconciled to oneto receive one into favour
   
   Now those in the Favour of God are not lost, not by a long shot, they are saved from the Wrath of God and the Penalty of Sin. Paul writes to the Thessalonians 1 Thess 1:10
   
   And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
   
   His being rasied from the dead certifys that His death delivered them from the wrath to come.
   
   So when men say that the death of Christ never saved anyone, beware, that's a false teacher ! They have not been sent of God to bear the testimony of the Gospel !

 

[brightfame52]

Now scripture #2 that teaches the Death of Christ alone saves them He died for, the first being Rom 5:10 is Heb 10:14

14 For by one offering[His Death] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Folks being perfected forever is Salvation, its being saved ! And How ? By One Offering which is His Death ! He hath perfected forever them which are sanctified or being sanctified, passive voice. They are being Sanctified because they have been made Perfect- Perfect tense by the death of Christ !
The word perfect is the greek word teleioō and means:

1. to make perfect, complete
   1. to carry through completely, to accomplish, finish, bring to an end
   to complete (perfect)
2. 1. add what is yet wanting in order to render a thing fullto be found perfect
   to bring to the end (goal) proposedto accomplish
   1. bring to a close or fulfilment by event
3. 1. 1. of the prophecies of the scriptures

Now that greek word comes from teleios which Jesus uses here with the young ruler Matt 19:21

Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.


And that being perfect ensures eternal treasures in heaven ! Now who wants to debate that's not Salvation for being Perfect. The thing is, Christ required the young ruler to do something to acquire being perfect, whereas scripture in Heb 10:14 reveals that Christ's Death/Offering makes them He died for Perfected forever, thats Salvation ensured by Gods own word !

 

[Lambano]

One thing i find to be prominent in the religious world, and that's them who dare to utter the blasphemous words:

The death of Christ doesn't save anyone. or The death of Christ doesnt save anyone but His life does, referring to Rom 5:10

No, the "Religious World" promotes the concept that religious rituals (such as atoning sacrifices) have real efficaciousness. Even Christ's Atoning Death is only a symbolic act pointing to a greater reality. "What did Christ's death on the cross accomplish?" is the wrong question. A better question to ask is, "What does Christ's death on the cross mean?"

 

[brightfame52]

@Lambano

A better question to ask is, "What does Christ's death on the cross mean?"

So what is your answer ?

 

[Rightglory]

In fact they are saved, justified and reconciled people who Christ died for. And this in fact will be scripture #1 that proves without a shadow of doubt, that Christ's Death alone saved them He died for.

Have you ever read any opposing views to your interpretation of scripture? I discussed your view before and showed you by scripture but also by historical interpretation that your view is not scriptural.
Christ died for, justified, and reconciled every human being by His death and particularly His resurrection. Without the resurrection, every thing Christ did would be null and void. Just to remind you, Christ died was raised to save the world, which includes every human being. John 3:17 and I John 4:14. We also have a great summary of the two acts of Christ that secured our salvation, Heb 2:9, I John 2:2.

Your view is a direct denial of the Incarnation as undertood, historically and by scripture. If Christ was not incarnated and did not rise from the dead with our human nature then Christ accomplished nothing. I Cor 15:17-19 makes this very clear. I Cor 15:21-22 also makes it very clear that Christ saved the world and human kind from death, the curse given to Adam.

Limited atonement which you hold to, is a denial that Christ even came as a Savior for anything. He either was Incarnate, became man, thus saved mankind from death, or He was not incarnated and saved nothing. Rom 5:18 also makes overcoming death universal for mankind.

Biblically you cannot even believe, according to scripture that heaven or hell even exist. You actually leave mankind still condemned to death as the consequence of Adam's sin. That death leaves all men ceasing to exist beyond this earthly existence.

Unless you are serious about discussing what scripture actually teaches and not give your noxious statement, I'm a false teacher, don't bother to reply. This post would be for others.

 

[brightfame52]

@Rightglory

Have you ever read any opposing views to your interpretation of scripture? I

All the time for years.

 

[Rightglory]

@Rightglory



All the time for years.

So that is all you can say? If you disagree with the post I made, why not discuss it for a change and show were scripture disagrees with what I stated.

 

[brightfame52]

@Rightglory

So that is all you can say?

Well I did the OP and I will add more

 

[brightfame52]

#3. A scripture that teaches the life and death of Christ alone saved them He lived and died for ! Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

The Obedience of Christ here is comprised of His Life of Law Keeping Obedience unto the Death of the Cross as stated here Phil 2:8

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

And the result of that Obedience is many SHALL BE MADE RIGHTEOUS ! Thats Salvation, to be made Righteous is to be saved. The Righteous shall shine in the Kingdom of their Father Matt 13:43

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

How come they to be made Righteous ? By the Obedience of One Rom 5:19 , even the death of the Cross, by which also they were perfected forever Heb 10:14


No matter how you slice it, their obedience had nothing to do with being made righteous, because that would overthrow the clear declaration of Rom 5:19 that it was by the Obedience of One that the many were made Righteous, saved !

 

[Rightglory]

#3. A scripture that teaches the life and death of Christ alone saved them He lived and died for ! Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

The Obedience of Christ here is comprised of His Life of Law Keeping Obedience unto the Death of the Cross as stated here Phil 2:8

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

And the result of that Obedience is many SHALL BE MADE RIGHTEOUS ! Thats Salvation, to be made Righteous is to be saved. The Righteous shall shine in the Kingdom of their Father Matt 13:43

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

How come they to be made Righteous ? By the Obedience of One Rom 5:19 , even the death of the Cross, by which also they were perfected forever Heb 10:14


No matter how you slice it, their obedience had nothing to do with being made righteous, because that would overthrow the clear declaration of Rom 5:19 that it was by the Obedience of One that the many were made Righteous, saved !

You have so many disjointed comments on texts you cite. You mix contexts thinking, I must assume, that the use of one word indicates the context.
For example: Rom 5:19. The context of Romans 5, is about Christ's Incarnated work of redeeming the world, but specifically mankind. Verse 18 makes it very clear that all men were made alive. There is a comparison being made between Adam and Christ.
The one offense of Adam brought judgement (death) came to all men. EVEN SO, by one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, namely life. There is no limitation on this statement. This same context is summarized in I Cor 15:21-22

Then we have vs 19 which you compare with a context about believers Matt 13:43. Two wholly different contexts, Vs 19 is the same comparison between Adam and Christ. Here is a lesson in logic.

Vs 19 says For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.
Your statments indicate that the texts refers to believers. When in actuality is does not. It refers to mankind, the same as the previous verse as well Rom 5:6-8. If your statement is actually what scripture means, then there are many of mankind who were never sinners.
Is this your actual belief? That many men were never sinners.

Your last statement shows the illogical disconnect also. You are using the word "righteous" to refer to believers being made righteous. The problem believers are not ever made righteous apart from man himself. We are made righteous by our doing rightousness 1 John 3:7.

You made true statements but they are out of context. Christ did objectively save, man had nothing to do with Christ's objective work. Mankind was saved from death. Being so saved put mankind into a righteous relationship or to take the meaning of the word righteous, to be made right, or put into a correct relationship. II Cor 5:18-19 make this use of the word reconcile, which has the same meaning. to be made right, to balance two things.

 

[brightfame52]

You have so many disjointed comments on texts you cite. You mix contexts thinking, I must assume, that the use of one word indicates the context.
For example: Rom 5:19. The context of Romans 5, is about Christ's Incarnated work of redeeming the world, but specifically mankind. Verse 18 makes it very clear that all men were made alive. There is a comparison being made between Adam and Christ.
The one offense of Adam brought judgement (death) came to all men. EVEN SO, by one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, namely life. There is no limitation on this statement. This same context is summarized in I Cor 15:21-22

Then we have vs 19 which you compare with a context about believers Matt 13:43. Two wholly different contexts, Vs 19 is the same comparison between Adam and Christ. Here is a lesson in logic.

Vs 19 says For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.
Your statments indicate that the texts refers to believers. When in actuality is does not. It refers to mankind, the same as the previous verse as well Rom 5:6-8. If your statement is actually what scripture means, then there are many of mankind who were never sinners.
Is this your actual belief? That many men were never sinners.

Your last statement shows the illogical disconnect also. You are using the word "righteous" to refer to believers being made righteous. The problem believers are not ever made righteous apart from man himself. We are made righteous by our doing rightousness 1 John 3:7.

You made true statements but they are out of context. Christ did objectively save, man had nothing to do with Christ's objective work. Mankind was saved from death. Being so saved put mankind into a righteous relationship or to take the meaning of the word righteous, to be made right, or put into a correct relationship. II Cor 5:18-19 make this use of the word reconcile, which has the same meaning. to be made right, to balance two things.

#3. A scripture that teaches the life and death of Christ alone saved them He lived and died for ! Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

[Rightglory]

#3. A scripture that teaches the life and death of Christ alone saved them He lived and died for ! Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

#3. A scripture that teaches the life and death of Christ alone saved them He lived and died for ! Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Which is every human being. To be otherwise means that many were made sinners, but not all men. This is a comparison. Your understanding is illogical. Where might this be corroborated in scripture that ONLY SOME MEN were made sinners?

 

[brightfame52]

#4 Another scripture that teaches salvation is the result of the death of Christ is 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

The word stripes here is speaking of His Death, the baring of our sins, which results in our being healed !
Now the word healed is the greek word iaomai and means:

1. to cure, healto make whole
2. 
   
   1. to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation
      
      To bring about ones salvation means to effect it, to actualize it.
      
      To make one whole.
      
      
      Now this is credited to Christ's stripes or His sufferings unto death when He bare our sins !
      
      This scripture is also witnessed in the Prophets Isa 53:5
   2. 
      
   3. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
      
      We are healed because of and as an effect of His stripes. We became believers because of and as an effect of His stripes !

 

[brightfame52]

@Rightglory

To be otherwise means that many were made sinners, but not all men.

Thats exactly what it says, many were made sinners, cant you read ?

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

[Rightglory]

@Rightglory



Thats exactly what it says, many were made sinners, cant you read ?

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Now I see your problem. You don't understand comparisons, or logic.
If only many were made sinners, then not all were made sinners. Vs 18 contradicts your assertion that only many will be made righteous.
You miss the whole meaning of the texts and what Christ actually accomplished.
The texts don't even refer to believers in any respect. The whole chapter is referencing what Adam did that brought death to the world, and what Christ did to defeat death and give life back to the world.
This is ONLY referencing physical death and physical life.

 

[brightfame52]

@Rightglory

Now I see your problem.

But you dont see your problem. Rom5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

[brightfame52]

@Rightglory

You miss the whole meaning of the texts and what Christ actually accomplished.
The texts don't even refer to believers in any respect. The whole chapter is referencing what Adam did that brought death to the world, and what Christ did to defeat death and give life back to the world.
This is ONLY referencing physical death and physical life.

There is no contradiction, the all of Vs 18 is the Many of Vs 19, so its all of the many. Then the entire passage is inly about the elect, their experience in Adam's headship and then their experience in Christ Headship.

The non elect aren't even in the equation. And it is about eternal life, Justification of life in Vs 18 is eternal life

 

[Rightglory]

@Rightglory



But you dont see your problem. Rom5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

I got that part but it does not align with scripture. What about the OTHER many of this world. They were not made sinners. Could you point out any people you know who have not been made sinners.

@Rightglory



There is no contradiction, the all of Vs 18 is the Many of Vs 19, so its all of the many. Then the entire passage is inly about the elect, their experience in Adam's headship and then their experience in Christ Headship.

Show where scripture uses these terms, headship, just what does that mean for you, since I don't think you will find it in scripture.
The whole of Romans 5 as no direct relationship to believers who you call elect.
You seem to pick out only one half of a text and then add in your own personal theology, rather than what scripture is saying the the whole of Romans 5.

Rom 5:12 states clearly that death spread to all men, thus all men sinned through death.
So the base subject that follows deals with all men (sinners). Rom 5:6 says Christ died for the ungoldly. The ungodly are all ll the sinners, unless you can how that some men were not ungodly (sinners)
Then we move to Rom 5:18, The trespass came from one man (Adam) the result was judgment (death) came to all men. So far we have no delineation or separation of subject, namely all men. The second half of Rom 5:18, Through one Man's (Christ) righteous act the free gift came to all men , resulting in justification to life. The subject throughout has been (ALL MEN -sinners) never a mention of believers.

Vs 19 is an equation between Adam and Christ. Adam's judgment for his sin was death. The very same people recieved life by the one act of righteousness of Christ. Just because the word many is used it refers to vs 18, vs 12, vs 6- which is every human being.
To say apart from v18 that ONLY many human beings were made sinners denies the fact that all men were made sinners, not just many. Thus the second MANY refers to the same amount, - all mankind. Thus it balances with the other texts of Romans.
I Cor 15:21-22 gives a very clear, unmistakable summary of Rom verses under discussion. Believers are not the subject in these verses.

The non elect aren't even in the equation. And it is about eternal life, Justification of life in Vs 18 is eternal life

Just the opposite which is the reason for your misunderstanding. Just so not to confuse you, it is about physical life, not spiritual life.
Spiritual life does not overcome physical death. Those you call elect are not the subject of Romans 5, directly. Christ needed to defeat death before there could be any idea of someone believing and having eternal life. If Christ did not defeat death, then we are all still dead and will never have an eternal existance. Paul alludes to this fact in I Cor 15:17-19. Christ came to defeat death and sin which were the powers of the devil Heb 2:14-16. The two works of Christ's life, death and resurrection can be summed up in two verses Heb 2:9 and I John 2:2

 

[brightfame52]

#5. Another passage of scripture that teaches the death of Christ alone saves them He died for is Rev 1:5-6

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


Now notice what this passage subscribes to Christ alone :

That He Loved us as He did His Church Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

He washed us from our sins in His own Blood !Note, everyone Christ Loved, He washed them from their sins in His own Blood.

The word for washed is the greek word luó and means:
I loose, untie, release, (b) met: I break, destroy, set at naught, contravene; I break up a meeting, annul.

It has to do with being freed from our sins Rom 6:7

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. And this is Justification, the word freed here is the greek word dikaioó and means:

I make righteous, defend the cause of, plead for the righteousness (innocence) of, acquit, justify; hence: I regard as righteous.

Now those whom Christ Loved, He washed from their sins, which freed them from the guilt and condemnation due to them, and made them righteous: ( Rom 5:19)

Jn Gill writes:

and washed us from our sins in his own blood; which shows that these persons were loved before washed; they were not first washed, and then loved, but first loved, and then washed. Love was the cause of washing, and not washing the cause of love; hence it appears that they were in themselves filthy, and unclean through sin; and that they could not cleanse themselves by anything they could do; and that such was the love of Christ to them, that he shed his precious blood for them, which is a fountain opened, to wash in for sin, and which cleanses from all sin. This is to be understood, not of the sanctification of their natures, which is the work of the Spirit, but of atonement for their sins, and justification from them by the blood of Christ, whereby they are so removed, that they are all fair, and without spot.

Justification from sin is the result of Christ Loving those He Loved, and those He Loved, He gave Himself for which washed them from their sins in His Own Blood !

 

[brightfame52]

@Rightglory

I got that part but it does not align with scripture.

What a foolish unlearned comment, it is scripture DUH