Fear Rules Christianity - True or False?

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Jesus Himself did use threats of Gehenna. I don't have to like it, but I can't deny it either.

Well... If "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:14), well, fear and self-preservation is something the "natural man" CAN understand. Nothing spiritual about that. 100% pure flesh.

I think there's a lot of confusion in the Christian community about hell, Gehenna and the lake of fire, purgatory and different things like that, and I've studied some of that out and reached some conclusions for myself, take them as you wish, but I believe that Hell/Gehenna is a temporary holding place inside the earth that hold souls of those who died on earth andwho are being held for Judgment at the end. The they get tossed into the Lake Of Fire. Hell used to be split and had a portion called Abrahams Bosom, or, Paradise, where those who did die in Christ were being held until after the price of their freedom was paid for. Jesus did that He paid the price so He emptied Abrahams bosom and took them souls with Him. Now we are in a newer covenant where, absent from the body, present with the Lord. So Abrahams bosom isnt needed anymore. And that Good because the bad part of Hell is always expanding and needing to be made bigger to make more room to house all the new residents coming in over the years.

Get this! This is the very reason for the increased Volcanic activity in every part of the world. Hell is getting full. Geez, we might even get a world wide earthquake related to their expansion underneath the earths surface.

And what I know of purgatory, is that most people have that all wrong. The best way to think about purgatory is...fires of purification. Same thing. Scripture talks about us going through the fires of purification and some of our works may be burned up and some wont be. That is not done in hell.

The way the Lord explained it to me is, the choice is ours, we can go through the fires of purification here on earth or before we enter into heaven. You see, many are saved, but no one is perfect so these little things that we sin that are not unto death, manifest us spots and blemishes on our clothing. Nothing that is not pure can enter into heaven.

It is written" She hade herself ready

Revelation 19:6-8
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints..../KJV

And that is exactly what this is talking about. We can do this ourselves and clean up our lives a little bit more. Walk even more righteous than we have been. No lying, period. No stealing, none of that stuff. Yes it seems to be a drag to live on planet earth. But the qualification for rapture is linked to being unblemished, is it not? Who is unblemished? I dont think I am.

And honestly, evryone knows that no one is perfect. It is not possible even one of us to walk unblemished by this world. So no one (except Jesus!) has ever walked unblemished. So the Lord is going to have to grade us on the sliding scale of misfit remedial slow learners who are under constant demonic oppression! so he cant go by unblemished absolutely literally or there would be no bride at the ceremony!

Good thing for us that the Lord doesnt look at our performance at finishing! He looks at our heart and the intentions of our heart and our diligence and effort that we were striving in to try...I will try to lift that plow and carry it. So our efforts are obediance and the Lord rewards obediance both now and in the afterlife. So we can press in while we are here are go through a hot fire of purification before we enter heaven. I suspect that it's easier for us to do on earth right now! It isnt that Bad. The Lord has overcome the world. He has already won the victory, we just have to enforce it until He comes for us.
 
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Read the brief….of the link you provided….did not indulge in continuing on to the links in the brief itself…(which was intended to give directions on how to celebrate the miracles)…which is of no interest to me.

So now what?
I didn't go there either. I read the narrative under the heading:

The Miraculous Deeds of Buddha Shakyamuni at Sravasti​

Reads like a fortune cookie. - LOL
But, they were claiming miraculous deeds.
So, that begs some questions.

If we say Jesus was authenticated by miracles, what does that say about Buddha?

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I didn't go there either. I read the narrative under the heading:

The Miraculous Deeds of Buddha Shakyamuni at Sravasti​

Reads like a fortune cookie. - LOL
But, they were claiming miraculous deeds.
So, that begs some questions.

If we say Jesus was authenticated by miracles, what does that say about Buddha?

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It doesn't say anything about him because I can't trust that it is an accurate account. The second half reads like the feats of Hercules or the story of Paul Bunyan.
 

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It doesn't say anything about him because I can't trust that it is an accurate account. The second half reads like the feats of Hercules or the story of Paul Bunyan.
The Buddhists probably say the same thing about our Bible. Muslims certainly say our scriptures are corrupted.

The stories of Noah's Ark and Jonah and the Whale make a rather nice flannel board presentations.

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I didn't go there either. I read the narrative under the heading:

The Miraculous Deeds of Buddha Shakyamuni at Sravasti​

Reads like a fortune cookie. - LOL
But, they were claiming miraculous deeds.
So, that begs some questions.

If we say Jesus was authenticated by miracles, what does that say about Buddha?

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If you can laughingly speak against them then you can see the truth and then that begs the question: Why are you hawking Buddah still?

Start hawking the Lord Jesus Brother!
 

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The Buddhists probably say the same thing about our Bible. Muslims certainly say our scriptures are corrupted.

The stories of Noah's Ark and Jonah and the Whale make a rather nice flannel board presentations.

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Animals doing strange things, surviving being swallowed, a massive flood. These are all plausible. A giant tree a mile wide or three mountains rising out of the ground without so much as a mention of an earthquake. That is ridiculous.
 
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I didn't go there either. I read the narrative under the heading:

The Miraculous Deeds of Buddha Shakyamuni at Sravasti​

Reads like a fortune cookie. - LOL
But, they were claiming miraculous deeds.
So, that begs some questions.

If we say Jesus was authenticated by miracles, what does that say about Buddha?

Seems the “enlightened” one, learned long before David Copperfield’s day…and the Pharaoh’s day how to makes illusions for men to see and believe are real….


“Seeing IS believing is a long standing natural belief of manKind.”
“Spiritual believing of men holds it’s matter of belief primarily according to a mans “natural spirit”…ie thoughts in his heart, he can put into words.
Spiritual words of God, speak words of what “will occur”, “before it occurs”…then later, it occurs, for the result to be seen.

Glory to God,
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God can make great cataclysms. But that is not what is frightening about him. The most fearful thing is how small a change he can make to great effect. It is how much we live as on the edge of a knife.

A rain cloud may start as wind on the sea.
Should that rain fall on the crops it brings life. Or if it blows over the desert it brings the swarm and famine.
 
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Animals doing strange things, surviving being swallowed, a massive flood. These are all plausible. A giant tree a mile wide or three mountains rising out of the ground without so much as a mention of an earthquake. That is ridiculous.

I dont think it's that far fetched. In Genesis it doesnt say that God created the trees and plant life, He had already put all the necessary ingrediants into the earth for the tress to grow, and it was so. No earthquake, no nothing, just words then trees. The earth obeyed the Lord!

Genesis 1:11
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so..../KJV

Soo, not that far feteched.
 

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God can make great cataclysms. But that is not what is frightening about him. The most fearful thing is how small a change he can make to great effect. It is how much we live as on the edge of a knife.

A rain cloud may start as wind on the sea.
Should that rain fall on the crops it brings life. Or if it blows over the desert it brings the swarm and famine.
Is that what God is about? Can he not be trusted? Does he not have our good in mind?
Should we live in terror of our heavenly Father. Duck every time he lifts his hand.

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I’ve been chastised by Yahavah…

I believe it by faith it’s been done for my benefit and not to harm me.

It’s the Holy Spirit within me talking when I’m either ignoring or indulging my fleshly desires (will and ways of self) over the the spirit.


I believe Yahavah works where you are, and you allow him to work with you to ultimately work on your heart.
 

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Why would God withdraw his miracles?
There were miracles in the OT, there were miracles in the Gospels, there were miracles in Acts, there were miracles, in the Epistles, and miracles continue today.
For the very reason that was brought out by you…..if God’s miracles were going to be matched by the devil, then only confusion would reign…..by withdrawing the miracles, he exposes the frauds. Satan is the only other power who can make miracles happen. If the miracles are not from God, they only have one other source. It seems logical to me, since they were a demonstration of what was to become reality under the rulership of God’s kingdom. The devil’s miracles can be very convincing as he masquerades as “an angel of light”.
If the only miracles that happened were as signs in the Apostolic Age, you might have a point.
They were only for the apostolic age as Paul mentioned. Miracles were for spiritual babies, not mature Christians who had to grow up and become soldiers in Christ’s army….except that their weapons were not carnal but spiritual. (2 Cor 10:3-5)
I think we have a problem with unbelief in the west. Missionaries in third world countries report many more miracles. And the results much more like the Apostolic Age
The devil will be active where he can manipulate ignorance. The churches are not teaching Bible truth….they are promoting church doctrine…..two entirely different things.
This happened in Jesus' day as well. Because of the unbelief in his hometown Jesus was limited. So, the environment of unbelief has a HUGE impact.
Jesus was not well received in his hometown for a unique reason…..they had seen him grow up as a son of Joseph the Carpenter and he was not terribly special in that period of growing up….he had no special talents, no ability to perform miracles, and was just one son in a large Jewish family. How could this boy be the Messiah….? Even his own siblings did not believe in him until after his resurrection.
That was the source of their unbelief…..he didn’t have that problem anywhere else.
There were miracles before Jesus came. The time of miracles was not limited to the Apostolic Age.
The Bible lists a few of the miracles that God’s servants performed in Bible times, but they were always to facilitate the doing of God’s will. (like the humiation of the Baal prophets in Elijah’s day.) The Israelites had fallen to worshipping the Baals…..it was time for a decision to be made about what god they wanted to serve because they were trying to serve both.…similar to what Christendom is doing, having adopted all manner of false ideas and incorporating them into their particular brand of “Christianity……trying to blend true worship with false worship. (2 Cor 6:14-18)
 
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Ten Lepers were cured of leprosy, instantly like you say. But when someone has Leprosy, they get damage to their body, fingers falling off and stuff like that. They didnt have leprosy anymore but they bodies still had missing fingers and stuff! This lone Leper who returned unto Jesus to give God glory was the key that made Jesus heal him completely.
Am I reading that wrong?
Yes, you are reading that wrong…all 10 were cured, but only one returned to say “thank you”.
So I believe that you have been slightly misguided about signs and miracles Sister.
I should tell you you about the Miracle that the Lord did for me Yesterday!
You wouldnt believe it so I wont go into it, but it was real and Praise God it was real! What a Blessing!
Your miracles are yours alone. Interpret them as you wish. That is not for me to say…only that the Bible itself speaks of the gifts of the spirit ceasing. They were for a time and a reason….if they are happening now, it would only cause confusion and the limited ability of the spirit to cure people would also be confusing.

The only other thing I can mention is the fact that the miracles were only performed by others on those who were unbelievers….the apostles never used their abilities to cure believers….not even to cure each other.
Can you find me one single incident where a believer was cured? People who were cured became believers because of the miracles. That was the intention.
You believe that the Lord hiding me from the police was not a miracle? That I have been deceived? (Chuckle). Oh, my Sister...Consider this. I prayed to the Lord God Jesus s I walked out that door to not be there when the police came, Help me Lord, Please! I dont want to be arrested!
Did you break the law? Was there a valid reason for you to hit your child? Discipline does not have to include violence. Time out is an effective method of discipline….taking away privileges hurts more that physical punishment and it breaks no laws of God or men.
Try taking their phones away! Or limiting internet access…..they get the message really quickly.
Minor Miracles happen everywhere every day! I suppose they are signs for us, to help us Believe. Lord help our Unbelief!
We aren’t discussing minor miracles….we are talking about the kinds of miracles that take place, that defy the natural and take us into the supernatural. Only two beings in existence have that power….and only one of them is the “Almighty”, having more power that the one he created who rebelled against him. The devil is a mimic and a clever deceiver. No one should forget that, or think that they cannot be fooled by an expert.
 
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The source is the witness.

You are falling for Is 7:20, Woe be you who confuse light for dark, evil for good. What if your doctrinal argument is wrong?
We have to test ourselves Wrangler…..does what we want to believe come from God or are we being cleverly sidetracked by the master deceiver? Are we having our ears tickled? How will we know? The truth is, we won’t, until the judgment, when Jesus separates us all into only two categories….every single one of us will stand or fall by what our hearts have chosen as our truth.

There is but one truth, not many versions of it. We decide by what is in our hearts whether the unpopular truth resonates with us, or whether we will accept only what we want to believe because others have convinced us of it’s validity.

In any case, we will all find out soon enough…..if God has considered us unworthy already, it won’t matter what we believe or how sincerely we believe it….God is the one choosing the citizens he will welcome into his kingdom…the humble sheep will enter…..the stubborn goats will not.
We show God, every day of our lives who we really are…the person he sees, so if we qualify, we can look forward to a wonderful future…if not then eternal death awaits us and it will be as though we never existed. We have choices…but so does God. Do we have what he is requiring of his worshippers?
 

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Is that what God is about? Can he not be trusted? Does he not have our good in mind?
Should we live in terror of our heavenly Father. Duck every time he lifts his hand.

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Is that how you see God? Can he be trusted to do what he says he will? Or is it we who cannot be trusted to do as he says? Obedience is, after all, the only thing he required of his newly formed human creation.
If they had remained obedient, sin and death would never have overtaken us. We would be enjoying everlasting life right here in paradise conditions forever…but our first parents listened to a liar and threw us all under the bus.
Christ came to give us back what the rebels took away from us. Heaven was never meant to be a destination for humans….the earth was designed especially for us. God already had a large family in heaven before the Universe was even created.

Should we live in fear of the one who could eliminate us from existence with a mere breath?
Perhaps we should have a healthy fear of displeasing the one in whose hands we find ourselves, qualifying for either life or death to be granted upon approval or disapproval by the way we have used the gift he gave us…..

God gave us life with instructions on how to live it….does he owe us more than that?
Is he under obligation to keep disobedient ones in existence to cause harm again? He would be very foolish indeed to allow such a situation a second time. This life is the qualifying period in which we get to choose obedience and life…or disobedience and death…..it’s all there in the Bible for anyone to read. But reading will not do much for us unless we put into practice the recommendations the Creator sets forth.

Its really that simple.
 
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What's "really that simple" is that JW's attack the Christian Bible just like Satan! They try to change the meaning of nearly every verse in the Bible!
 

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Bad dog!

To the basement with you.

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Why do you believe it is that way?

That doesn't make sense to me... I thought a parent looks out for the good of their children, by allowing them to know the wrong which they are dabbling in... Its not much about sin, as it is the heart of the individual.

I mean, it wouldn't make much sense to say... I love God, but then I go and have sex with my neighbor's wife, would it? Or I love God, but I don't love that one person who messed me over that one time, and I hope for their car to die or their house to be set on fire?

Would it?
 
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"Fear Rules Christianity "
Lots of Biblical Truth in that! God's people FEAR Him! Satan's children do not!
 
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