Fear Rules Christianity - True or False?

[Wrangler]

We have to test ourselves Wrangler…..does what we want to believe come from God or are we being cleverly sidetracked by the master deceiver?

It’s unlike you to not answer a question.

You keep asking this question and I keep answering it. If God came down and said your doctrine is wrong, you’d respond with that’s a clever trick by a master deceiver. Why do you suppose that only less powerful, evil spirits can create miracles, signs and wonders?! That is so odd!

Suppose you are right. It is a bad demon, as far as demons go, to act in such a way to drive me right into the hands of the Son of God while I was an enemy of Christ! I’d say that passes the test, AJ. Now suppose your doctrine is wrong?

 

[Wrangler]

How will we know? The truth is, we won’t,

Wrong. We know by their fruit.

 

[MA2444]

Yes, you are reading that wrong…all 10 were cured, but only one returned to say “thank you”.

No Mamn, I was being facetious. I didnt read it wrong. It's in Luke 17

Here in v14 we see that they were cleansed (cured) of Leprosy as they went...all 10 like you say.

14 And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed..../KJV

You with me on this? They were cured at v14, agreed?

In v15 we see that one turned back to Jeus to give thanks as you say

15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,.../KJV

Then on down in v19 we see Jesus to him go your way your faith has made thee whole...

19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole..../KJV

Now what does that mean your faith has made thee whole...something happened there. His body was healed at that time. If you go to BibleGateway.com you can compare this verse easily to other translations which many times offer more clarity than the KJV. I urge to to take a closer look at this tale of healing in Luke 17 and pay special attention to v19 because something extra did happen to the 1 who returned to give God glory for curing him.

The only other thing I can mention is the fact that the miracles were only performed by others on those who were unbelievers….the apostles never used their abilities to cure believers….not even to cure each other.
Can you find me one single incident where a believer was cured? People who were cured became believers because of the miracles. That was the intention.

Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover..../KJV

The disciples had no abilities. It was all the Lord doing the healing and from what this says, all they needed for healing is one who believes and a patient, unbelieving or not! And sure, the intention was, that they would see they were haled and turn to God for it and believe. You bet!

I was and am a believer and I was healed of a dislocated hip joint. I didnt heal myself, but I asked the Lord to heal me and He did the selfsame night. ??

Lord help our unbelief. Faith is not enough, we must believe also.

Did you break the law? Was there a valid reason for you to hit your child? Discipline does not have to include violence. Time out is an effective method of discipline….taking away privileges hurts more that physical punishment and it breaks no laws of God or men.
Try taking their phones away! Or limiting internet access…..they get the message really quickly.

Lol. No mamn, my younger son at the time was 30 years old! So Time out dont work no more with them, lol. I cant take his phone either, he bought it. I suppose I did break the law because I did assault him. I decked him to the floor by punching him hard in the face. Perhaps a mistake, but such as I am, I dont take kindly to my own kids disrespecting me in my own home and threatening me, so I let him have it. Would you rather that I said gee honey thats nice and I'll be good now? Do you let your children come into your home and talk down to you and threaten you with no response from you? I doubt it!

They lost their apartment for not payng rent (drugs?) and they were on the street so to speak. So I let them move in with me so they could get on their feet again. Then they do this to me! I didnt beat the poor child within an inch of his life, I decked him. One blow and he found himself picking himself up off the floor. I did no wrong for that in my heart. And I bet he remembers it to this day.

We aren’t discussing minor miracles….we are talking about the kinds of miracles that take place, that defy the natural and take us into the supernatural. Only two beings in existence have that power….and only one of them is the “Almighty”, having more power that the one he created who rebelled against him. The devil is a mimic and a clever deceiver. No one should forget that, or think that they cannot be fooled by an expert.

I call them minor miracles because I havent seen anything like, the red seas being parted, or fire rainijg down from heaven or anything huge like that, but I have seen many things that defy the natural and were real supernatural events.
The Lord sent an Angel to my garage sale (He looked like a man) and he kept asking me how much do you need? How much do you need? And He he wouldnt even get interested in my merchandise, he only wanted to talk to me. Have you ever had a garage sale? Do garage salers spend lots of money? (no, will you take 2 dollars for that?!) Garage salers do not talk the price UP. He said, I'll give you $1900 for everything on that table right there, and then looked at me for a response...It was a ridiculous amount of money for everything on the table. That household junk wouldnt come near 1900, so I was dumbfounded and thought he was joking with me so I didnt say anything in response. SO then he says, well how about $2400 then? And upped his price 500 bucks, just like that. Now I was positive he was joking and I wanted to hear the ounch line so I said, yes thats fine. And the punchline was 24 100 dollar bills.

ow that Angel coming to help me was in response to my prayer. I was self employed and it was my slow season, they come and go. My rent was 1000 bucks per month and sometimes I would be a little short. But things can change fast and more work come in so I'd catch the landlord up later and he was ok with this because I was honest with him and he understood. but the economy continued to slide down and I was getting further and further behind in my rent. I was a full $2000 short with him, and I had a $300 electric bill that was due to be shut off on Monday, this was Saturday. I'm out in the driveway with the garage open and my landlord drives up with a pre-eviction notice (3 day notice) for me and he apologized and said he sympathizes with my situation and he does like me but he has bills too and he needs to get someone in his house who can pay more consistently, here you go. And I have never been homeless before. I got floored by that. I was desperate, what can I do? I would pay, Lord help me, I dont want to be homeless!
And within 2 hours, I had an Angel of the Lord handing me $2400 cash.
I figured it was $2000 for the rent, $300for the utilities, and $100 bucks for grocery money!
Now what wasnt supernatural about any of that?! Garage sale customers do not act like that! How much do you need? Lol! It's the only thing that explains it. The Lord helped me and overpaid me for househokd junk basically. That was...awe inspiring. I helped the man box up the stuff on the table, but he kept taking things back out of the box and putting it back on the table, Oh I wont need that you can keep that, and this , and that. He only took about 75% of the things on the table and still paid. Weird. Not natural in the least. That was no garage saler. After he left and was dric=ving away I closed it up and went back in the house and as I was walking down the steps to the family room I put my hand in my pocket and felt that wad of cash and I said, Praise the Lord...and it hit me. I had just prayed to God for help less than 2 hours ago and now I have all that I need. Huh! That was an Angel! And I caught on to what happened.

Awesome day. A definite miracle. A minor miracle. See what I mean, minor miracle?

 

[MA2444]

Your miracles are yours alone. Interpret them as you wish. That is not for me to say…only that the Bible itself speaks of the gifts of the spirit ceasing. They were for a time and a reason….if they are happening now, it would only cause confusion and the limited ability of the spirit to cure people would also be confusing.

The Lord speaks to me lots of ways. Only once was it audible. Other ways are, through His word mostly, or it can come through people, Pastors teaching, people online who talk, sometimes the Lord even sounds like my exwife, or my Conscience. It all depends on if what is said stirs me in my spirit and lets me recognize myself in an aspect of what was said, a conviction perhaps. Have you ever had something on your mind and then when watching a video it sounds like it starts talking to you directly and to the thing that has been on your mind?! That is a little sppoky. That happens when reading the Word also, many times in fact. That is called a Rhema, the spoken word of God. And they are real Sister. Be watching for the Rhemas that the Lord gives you sometimes. Have some faith and believe.

One time, the Lord told me in His still small voice that a lot of the times He speaks to us in our very thoughts....and we think it is merely our own thoughts and brush Him off! You cant brush it off when your heart speaks to you, or your conscience, that is the Lord talking. We should never disobey our conscience but pay even closer attention to it and engage it, as the Lord. Talk back to it (reverantly!) and speak with the Lord. It will tuen into a regular conversation! It happened to me! and it happened so much that, now its like I cant get rid of it! He is there speaking to me and He knows I hear Him! It happened so much that, I started oticing little things...like, He doesnt speak like I do. He doesnt think like I do and I began to pbe able to perceive that this was indeed, not me and my thoughts alone!

People will say they dont understand that stuff and it's hard to believe in. But at the same time if you say yes, the inner voices, a good angel telling you do do the right thing and a bad angel telling you to go ahead and sin they fight each other and argue all the time. Everyone believes in this if you explain it in this way, so you do believe it?

The Cherokee Indians call them the two Wolves within us one good, one bad and they constantly fight. Who wins Grandpa? The one you feed more...(A good old Cherokee Proverb of two Wolves.)

And I noticed that He dont talk like me (grammer usage and so forth), and He always says things in just the right way for me to understand and be encouraged. He has never said anything which contradicts any scripture, in fact many times He gives me scriptures and they pop into my head!

?? I dont what's not to believe. When you got born again and received Jesus and His Holy Spirit into your heart to come dwell with you...did you not believe it would be real? Why not? Every Brother and Sister in Christ should embrace the Lord spiritually and in truth, and walk with Him! Every day, every moment. He is a friend that sticks closer than a Brother and He loves to talk with us on a personal level!

Lord help our unbelief. This is a spiritual world and Brothers & Sisters should look at it in a spiritual way. Jesus paid the price, and the veil was rent in two. We can once again come into the presence of the Lord God and walk and talk with Him at any moment. I am the temple in which He resides now. And yes, I believe it is all true what is written.

 

[PGS11]

False "Hope" rules Christianity anyone who thinks its fear simply does not understand.

 

[St. SteVen]

False "Hope" rules Christianity anyone who thinks its fear simply does not understand.

That's interesting. Could you explain more about that?

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[Aunty Jane]

It’s unlike you to not answer a question.

I did answer it as clearly as I know how…..but because I am not solely legalistic in my approach to faith, my answers dig a little deeper than what you seem to demand. My faith is not based on superficial things that “sound good” to me….I am a researcher and my shovel is always in my hand ready to dig deeper than what is on the surface…..this is where the treasure is.

Read Matt 7:21-23….
”Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven . Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from me you who practice lawlessness”. (NASB)

Let’s unpack that passage and see what Christ is saying…..
”Not everyone who professes to be “Christian” actually qualifies as one. Only the genuine ones will gain admission to the Kingdom of Heaven. So as we humans have experienced in our own lives, if we wish to visit another country, we need a visa and that is granted only if we meet the criteria. If we want to live in that country, we must apply for residency, which in most cases also has criteria. Do we get to dictate our own criteria, or is that a matter for the government of that country?
God’s Kingdom is no different…..but what is God’s Kingdom? How many definitions are there in Christendom? So right from the get-go, there are questions that need to be answered…..

Access to God’s Kingdom is restricted to those who meet the criteria. How can we know? Simple….Christ gives us the necessary information to meet that criteria….but then we run into a snag…..who are the “many” who have convinced themselves that they are on the right road, only to find that they missed the gate that led to the place they thought they were going? How could they be so mistaken? Look at the excuses they offer…..
They “prophesied”….”expelled demons”….and “performed miracles”….all in Jesus name…..and yet what is his response?….. ”I NEVER KNEW YOU….depart from me you who practice lawlessness”.
”NEVER” means “not ever”….think about that.

Jesus had not long spoken of the two roads in vs 13-14 and indicated that the majority are on the wrong one, even though they “prophesied, expelled demons and performed miracles”…..but the road they are traveling only leads to “destruction”…..”few” would find the ”narrow” (restricted) gate that leads to a “cramped” (difficult) road to life.
What is the picture that come to mind when we read these verses?

Two roads…that’s it. There is no fence to sit on whilst we wonder which road to take. We will put ourselves on either one path or the other. Jesus almost always spoke of two categories of people…..”wheat and weeds” (true Christians and counterfeit ones) or “sheep and goats” (humble and obedient believers and stubborn ones who want to dictate their own terms in serving the god they think they have chosen).

So who do you think will find the narrow gate, whilst they are happily traveling the easy road that makes little in the way of demands on them? It will not be obvious because they are not looking for an exit……at least not that exit. The road it leads to is not appealing because it is difficult terrain and requires strict obedience and concentration to stay on that path….one false step could mean disaster.

The majority have convinced themselves that they are on the right path…..but it’s not just one path, is it? “Christianity” (or what it masquerades as) is so divided that many forge their own path the the Kingdom in the mistaken notion that they alone have the truth……it is what they have chosen of their own free will…..a decision that neither God nor his appointed judge will interfere with. Our choices are ours to make.

 

[Aunty Jane]

You keep asking this question and I keep answering it. If God came down and said your doctrine is wrong, you’d respond with that’s a clever trick by a master deceiver.

Since this is actually going to happen (as indicated by Jesus) and only “few” have qualified to enter the Kingdom….he has indicated that we will not know until that day comes whether we are on the right road or the wrong one. Our hearts have made a choice and the ones he rejects think that theirs is the right one…..

We determine our own destiny by what is in our own hearts. We either fulfill the criteria laid down in God’s word or we make up our own…..we will be the last to know. You and I are in the same position. Have we made the right choice or haven’t we? Jesus will determine that because it’s not about what label we wear…it’s about what we believe and who we believe and how we live day to day. We are all sinners, so none of us will be perfect, but we will be doing our best to live as Christ commanded…..and we will be in company with other like minded ones who all accept one truth, from one God who authored one instruction manual to guide us.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Why do you suppose that only less powerful, evil spirits can create miracles, signs and wonders?! That is so odd!

No, it’s not odd at all…..satan is a mimic as we have seen in Bible history. Moses and Aaron’s encounter with Pharaoh and the ability of his magic practicing priests to duplicate God’s miracles, shows us that the devil has power too, just enough to fool the uneducated or ignorant ones who don’t bother to inform themselves even though we live in an age where education on all matters is open to all at the click of a mouse.

Suppose you are right. It is a bad demon, as far as demons go, to act in such a way to drive me right into the hands of the Son of God while I was an enemy of Christ!

Suppose that the person who drove to was not a genuine Christian, but a convincing counterfeit? Suppose that “the Son of God” to whom you were ‘driven’ was also a counterfeit? Not nice questions…but they need to be asked in a world ruled by God’s adversary. 1 John 5:19)

Why do you suppose that Christendom is so divided and that “beliefs” are what people choose to put their faith in…..a “belief” is simply that….a belief is not necessarily truth……the devil makes sure that his counterfeit “Christianity” gives people plenty of choices….and that all of them will appeal to wide range of people…..this in itself divides people, yet there are not many roads…there is just one. We had better hope that we have chosen wisely.

I’d say that passes the test, AJ. Now suppose your doctrine is wrong?

We will all stand before the same judge Wrangler…..we have to look for the hated and persecuted minority…(John 15:18-21) the ones who cop more flack than anyone else because the devil makes them look like heretics. Yet they are “no part of this world”…no part of its corrupt politics, it’s greedy commercialism or it’s false worship. They have no blood on their hands and when the judgment comes, they will be at peace.

The true faith exists because there are “wheat” “growing together” with the weeds, until the “harvest” time.

That harvest is about to take place and we are all on notice that once the judgment is made, there are no second chances. We had better be sure that we are on the right road…..and in the right company.
God “draws” his worshippers into one flock of obedient “sheep”. No one can come to the son without an invitation from his Father. (John 6:44; 65) The Son is the doorway for the sheep. Those who do not know “the only true God“ and do not recognize who his Son truly is, will not be invited in the first place. (John 17:3)

 

[Aunty Jane]

Wrong. We know by their fruit.

What is that “fruit” Wrangler?

 

[Aunty Jane]

No Mamn, I was being facetious. I didnt read it wrong. It's in Luke 17

Here in v14 we see that they were cleansed (cured) of Leprosy as they went...all 10 like you say.

14 And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed..../KJV

You with me on this? They were cured at v14, agreed?

In v15 we see that one turned back to Jeus to give thanks as you say

15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,.../KJV

Then on down in v19 we see Jesus to him go your way your faith has made thee whole...

19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole..../KJV

Now what does that mean your faith has made thee whole...something happened there. His body was healed at that time. If you go to BibleGateway.com you can compare this verse easily to other translations which many times offer more clarity than the KJV. I urge to to take a closer look at this tale of healing in Luke 17 and pay special attention to v19 because something extra did happen to the 1 who returned to give God glory for curing him.

Can we read that passage again….?

“While He was on the way to Jerusalem, He was passing between Samaria and Galilee. As He entered a village, ten leprous men who stood at a distance met Him; and they raised their voices, saying, “Jesus, Master, have mercy on us!” When He saw them, He said to them, “Go and show yourselves to the priests.” And as they were going, they were cleansed. Then Jesus answered and said, “Were there not ten cleansed? But the nine—where are they? Was no one found who returned to give glory to God, except this foreigner?” and he fell on his face at His feet, giving thanks to Him. And he was a Samaritan. Now one of them, when he saw that he had been healed, turned back, glorifying God with a loud voice, And He said to him, “Stand up and go; your faith has made you well.” (NASB)

What are you reading into that verse that is not obvious to any other reader?
Jesus said that “all ten were cleansed” so all ten received a healing…..but this man was a Samaritan…a person whom the Jews generally avoided and despised.…yet he was the only one who came back to glorify God and to thank him for the miracle that he experienced. Jesus said “Stand up, your faith has made you well”….he was speaking about the healing that had already taken place, and was commending him for his faith, even though he was a Samaritan.

Who were the Samaritans, and why did the Jews hate them? Why was this man mentioned in Scripture when Jesus was sent only to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel”?

This is not the first time that Jesus made an example of a good Samaritan, is it?
The Jews at that time were under bad leadership and had been for many centuries, which is why God did not sent his son to the Jewish leaders…they hated him and wanted him silenced, just as their forefathers had silenced God’s prophets in the past. (Matt 23:37-39)

Jesus knew what was to come in the future when Gentiles and Samaritans would be added to God’s family of “Christian” worshippers, but he was sent to give the Jews first option at becoming. “royal priesthood and a holy nation”….a “remnant” of natural Jews was prophesied to be save, and only a “remnant” of the Jews came to accept Jesus as their Messiah.

The Samaritan woman at the well was the first person to whom Jesus identified himself as Messiah, and he told her that the worship of God in the future would not involve any geographical location, such as the Jews and Samaritans practiced on their own holy mountains. (John 4:7-20)
The future worship of God would be unrestricted as the nations received a global witness about the Kingdom of God and Christ’s role in it, along with his elect. (Acts 15:14; Matt 24:14; Matt 28:19-20; Rev 20:6)

I do not doubt your sincerity for a moment, but I do question your interpretation of things.…as you are free to question mine.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Awesome day. A definite miracle. A minor miracle. See what I mean, minor miracle?

There are philanthropists in the world you know…..these are sometimes Christians seeking to do good to their fellow man as Jesus instructed and that is commendable….but some are merely good humanitarians who have the means to help out the needy among them. It makes them feel good to just help out. The internet is filled with such people….have you never seen their videos?

You can read things into these experiences and interpret them as miracles, but I see them very differently. Why would God seek only you out of millions to receive his “minor miracles” whilst ignoring so many others who are apparently much worse off than yourself? Why you? Why not them? Why do bad things happen to good people? Why does God not prevent their tragedies and suffering? Where are their miracles? Is God somehow up there in heaven deciding whether to perform his ‘miracles’ on some but not others….what could be his criteria, do you think?

 

[Berean]

Recently I challenged a beloved forum member to visit this website.

I just read it ... now what?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover..../KJV

Before we go any further, Mark 16 ends in verse 8…..the rest is a spurious addition implying that snake handlers will incur no harm because of the operation of God’s spirit or the ingestion of poison will do no harm either. Christians have died because of believing this. It is completely outside of anything that Jesus taught.

The disciples had no abilities. It was all the Lord doing the healing and from what this says, all they needed for healing is one who believes and a patient, unbelieving or not! And sure, the intention was, that they would see they were haled and turn to God for it and believe. You bet!

I was and am a believer and I was healed of a dislocated hip joint. I didnt heal myself, but I asked the Lord to heal me and He did the selfsame night. ??

Lord help our unbelief. Faith is not enough, we must believe also.

What are you missing here…? The power of the holy spirit was imparted by Jesus to his apostles, just as God had imparted his spirit to Jesus at his baptism. All they had to do was use his name, showing that no power came from them.

The ability to impart the holy spirit to others came at Pentecost, when God’s spirit was poured out on the disciples gathered in an upper room. The spirit empowered them to perform miracles without Jesus’ presence. And the laying on of hands to impart the spirit was done only by the apostles. So when the apostles died, the gifts died with them, no longer necessary to draw people to Christianity. It was well established now, and the preaching work was the most important work that they were told to do after Jesus death and resurrection. (Matt 28:19-20; Matt 24:14)

I know what you “believe“, but I see those things very differently.
Who is discharged from hospital with a hip dislocation untreated? Is that what your medical system does? And this remained for how long? Yet you could still “hobble”? I doubt you can even walk at all with such an injury.
Can the devil give you a false miracle? If it was a dislocation, sometimes they can go back into place on their own…..or satan could definitely do that trick and pretend it was God, to lead you into false beliefs. He masquerades as “an angel of light”, remember? Have you ever considered that?

Even sincerely held beliefs can be errors not yet understood in the light of Bible truth. We cannot trust our own understanding. (Prov 3:5)

 

[Wrangler]

What is that “fruit” Wrangler?

It is a bad demon, as far as demons go, to act in such a way to drive me right into the hands of the Son of God while I was an enemy of Christ! I’d say that passes the test, AJ.

 

[Aunty Jane]

No mamn, my younger son at the time was 30 years old! So Time out dont work no more with them, lol. I cant take his phone either, he bought it. I suppose I did break the law because I did assault him. I decked him to the floor by punching him hard in the face. Perhaps a mistake, but such as I am, I dont take kindly to my own kids disrespecting me in my own home and threatening me, so I let him have it. Would you rather that I said gee honey thats nice and I'll be good now? Do you let your children come into your home and talk down to you and threaten you with no response from you? I doubt it!

They lost their apartment for not payng rent (drugs?) and they were on the street so to speak. So I let them move in with me so they could get on their feet again. Then they do this to me! I didnt beat the poor child within an inch of his life, I decked him. One blow and he found himself picking himself up off the floor. I did no wrong for that in my heart. And I bet he remembers it to this day.

Thank you for explaining that…..it was not the picture I got from your original description of the event.

A fruit of God’s spirit is ”self control” so we cannot resort to violence even when provoked. By assaulting him even as a grown man, you broke the law, and could have been lawfully charged with assault. The fact that the police did not find you, I believe was more by good luck than good management. God would hardly reward conduct that he condemns.

Christians don’t break God’s law……because law breakers will not inherit the kingdom.

I’m sorry to hear that your son repaid your kindness with betrayal….but that is the world we live in. Selfishness is its principle trait. Not surprising when we know who is running this show. (1 John 5:19)

 

[Aunty Jane]

What is that “fruit” Wrangler?

It is a bad demon, as far as demons go, to act in such a way to drive me right into the hands of the Son of God while I was an enemy of Christ! I’d say that passes the test, AJ.

If that is what you believe…then so be it. God knows even when we don’t. Just be aware that satan is the author of all false worship…the closer he can get to the original without obvious betrayal is his aim. He wants to deceive even the elect….if he can.

 

[St. SteVen]

I just read it ... now what?

You get a cookie.
You passed the bravery test.
Did you know that Buddhism claimed miracles?
That was news to me.



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[Wrangler]

@Aunty Jane, it is surprising that you did not really answer these questions.

Why do you suppose that only less powerful, evil spirits can create miracles, signs and wonders?! That is so odd!

Your reply was to remain focused on the less powerful spirits desire to deceive. Again, that was not my question. Rather, Why do you suppose that ONLY less powerful, evil spirits can create miracles, signs and wonders?! That is so odd!

Worded differently, why do you suppose more powerful, Holy Spirit of God cannot do miracles, signs and wonders despite MANY people, including me, telling you they have experienced it - and the result was they were closer to God than ever?

Now suppose your doctrine is wrong?

Your reply was to put yourself in the moment of judgement, implying part of you considers this a salvation issue. I don't and that was not the point of my question. Rather, the point of the question is your failure to glorify God and your failure to walk in faith, confusing his good for evil per Isaiah 5:20, and trending toward the unforgivable sin of blasphemy (Matthew 12:31)?

Let's consider a risk analysis.

A. Option A: Failing to recognize the good that God does.​

B. Option B: Failing to recognize the evil that demons do.​

You talked about the test and not knowing, which is demonstrably false. We do know and we know based on the fruit of these miracles, signs and wonders. I was brought to Christ. People at my church were miraculously healed. All this to God's glory per 1 Timothy 1:17. That's 3 Scripture verses in favor of, biasing us to avoid Option A.

By contrast, there are 2 points against being biased toward Option B:

1. Scripture
2. Evidence

Let's start with the evidence. Given the testimony of me and @MA2444 and many others of experiencing miracles, signs and wonders whose fruit was many were brought to Christ, on what basis to you deem these divine works evil? And what Scripture cautions us that this will be a time that only demons perform miracles EVEN THOUGH it brings people to Christ? I am aware of Scripture that says at the end times the anti-Christ will perform miracles for his glory but not to the glory of God.

 

[MA2444]

Thank you for explaining that…..it was not the picture I got from your original description of the event.

A fruit of God’s spirit is ”self control” so we cannot resort to violence even when provoked. By assaulting him even as a grown man, you broke the law, and could have been lawfully charged with assault. The fact that the police did not find you, I believe was more by good luck than good management. God would hardly reward conduct that he condemns.

Christians don’t break God’s law……because law breakers will not inherit the kingdom.

I’m sorry to hear that your son repaid your kindness with betrayal….but that is the world we live in. Selfishness is its principle trait. Not surprising when we know who is running this show. (1 John 5:19)

Which of God's laws did I break? And what makes you think that I was not in control of myself. It was a calculated decision. Made quickly but there was a lot going on at the time, lol.

What about Proverbs 13?

24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.../KJV

I dont believe that I broke God's law by hitting my son. I didnt continually bet him. I wasnt out of control in an emotional frenzy...lol. No. I hit him once. and the next time we spoke to eaxh other was when I got home and He began apologizing to me.


And I do know that I am of God and this incident was the wickedness of the world upon me.

So what would say to your children if one of them came in and started threatening you, saying they will tell the police lies about you so that you are arrested and taken away while they stay in your home?

Would you give them a kiss and tell them how much you love them?