Fear Rules Christianity - True or False?

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Because... fear rules Christianity.
Fear and faith are interchangable on a certain level. You fear what you have faith in. While faith is putting your beliefs into action, fear is an emotion. What is the significance of this?

The issue at hand is truth. What do you truly believe? Anyone can pay lip service to anything. The words of a lying tongue mean little. However, emotion precedes conscious thought. When confronted with a situation, your fear reveals your true faith.

Listened Monday to a woman who was talking to an inmate in prison. When the inmate said she was in prison for murder as a means of broaching the subject of honesty in relationships, this was a clear opportunty for the prison ministry volunteer to respond emotionally - and she did. She exclaimed that if you kill me I'll go to heaven so I have nothing to worry about being alone with you. How does your premise reconcile with this verse?


God's Spirit doesn't make cowards out of us. The Spirit gives us power, love, and self-control.
2 Timothy 1:7 (CEV)
 

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5. I've looked far enough into major religions to find fault.

6. If I am wrong it could only be because my conception of reality is totally perverted. In which case lossing my mind would be like spilt milk.
 

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Fear, fear, fear, fear... fear rules Christianity.

It doesn't have to be that way. Why do you believe that God is so untrustworthy?

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Sounds like YOU fear Christianity. FEAR GOD is one of the main Bible doctrines.

Everyone will learn to FEAR GOD, now or in Hell.
 
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When confronted with a situation, your fear reveals your true faith.
Reminds me of the story of the high-wire act across a canyon.
The acrobat pushed a wheel barrow load across the gorge and back.
And then asked how many believed he could take a person across and back.
The crowd was enthusiastic, believing that he most certainly could.
But when he asked for a volunteer, none would go.
Their "fear" revealed their lack of "true faith", as you might say.

True faith would be to get in the barrow.

Listened Monday to a woman who was talking to an inmate in prison. When the inmate said she was in prison for murder as a means of broaching the subject of honesty in relationships, this was a clear opportunty for the prison ministry volunteer to respond emotionally - and she did. She exclaimed that if you kill me I'll go to heaven so I have nothing to worry about being alone with you.
Now that is true faith.

How does your premise reconcile with this verse?


God's Spirit doesn't make cowards out of us. The Spirit gives us power, love, and self-control.
2 Timothy 1:7 (CEV)
This is one of those occasions when I really appreciate the King James.

Why then are so many living in, and promoting fear?

2 Timothy 1:7 KJV
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear;
but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

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What's not to love? - LOL

Aren't you the one that claims that God is NOT a tyrant?
And then you say this. Tsk, tsk...

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You really shouldn't call Jesus a tyrant. He burned Sodom alive "making them an example". And He's gonna burn gays also, FOREVER. Pay attention!
 
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You really shouldn't call Jesus a tyrant.
Just to be clear, I'm not trying to be like you. (calling God a tyrant)
You wrote this below, correct?

"Everyone will learn to FEAR GOD, now or in Hell." - Jack

What's to fear, Jack?

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There seems to be some consensus
with respondents to this thread.


The topic title question is:

Fear Rules Christianity - True or False?​


The resounding response seems to be "TRUE!"
Unless I am misunderstanding you.
Please correct me if I am. Thanks.

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Just to be clear, I'm not trying to be like you. (calling God a tyrant)
Where did I call God a tyrant? Gays and liars will end up in the same place. Jesus called it HELL FIRE, FYI.
You wrote this below, correct?

"Everyone will learn to FEAR GOD, now or in Hell." - Jack

What's to fear, Jack?

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He's called GOD. Have you ever read the Bible? Doesn't sound like it. You will learn tho! Everybody will!

Hebrews 10:31
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
 

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There seems to be some consensus
with respondents to this thread.


The topic title question is:

Fear Rules Christianity - True or False?​


The resounding response seems to be "TRUE!"
Unless I am misunderstanding you.
Please correct me if I am. Thanks.

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You must have misunderstood me too because you still say I am afraid. And I have proven it somehow? Ye. you totally misunderstood anything I said.
 

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Few Christians would dare to read an account of Buddha's miracles.

Why?
Dare to? Is it that they wouldn’t “dare to”? Who would dare them? Jesus? Or satan?

What are “miracles” after all? And who can perform them?

The devil has the power to mimic certain “miracles” and pretend that they are from God. This is why there are no “miracles” after the apostolic period….because the “miracles” were to demonstrate that God had abandoned the false teachers of Judaism and transferred his favor to the followers of Christ. (Matt 23:37-39)

What were the miracles intended to show? Simply that under the rule of God’s coming Kingdom, that the sick and disabled would be healed, and that the dead would rise. Other gifts of the spirit were intended to promote unity, like being able to speak in languages they had never learned, breaking down the language barrier when Jews from different nations came to Jerusalem for the festival of Pentecost (Acts 2:5-8)….and later when Gentile believers came into the picture.

Prophesying was also something God had gifted to his servants from way back, to indicate his intentions, and to help his servants to identify the outworking of his purpose, despite handing world rulership over to his adversary. (Luke 4:5-7) The fulfillment of prophesy showed that God was still working behind the scenes, though not confined to the timeframe that earth bound humans were restricted to. Prophesy was often spoken hundreds or even thousand of years in advance of its fulfillment.

So what “miracles” could the devil perform that would convince people to turn away from Christ?

For true believers, there were none, because the apostle Paul made it clear that with the end of the apostolic period (the apostles were the only ones who could pass the gifts of the spirit on to others) the gifts would be withdrawn….why? Because they had fulfilled their purpose.

Paul wrote….in 1 Cor 13:1-13…
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels but do not have love, I have become a clanging gong or a clashing cymbal. 2 And if I have the gift of prophecy and understand all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give all my belongings to feed others, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast, but do not have love, I do not benefit at all.

4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous. It does not brag, does not get puffed up, 5 does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. 6 It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8 Love never fails. But if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with. 9 For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially, 10 but when what is complete comes, what is partial will be done away with. 11 When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, to think as a child, to reason as a child; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the traits of a child. 12 For now we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face-to-face. At present I know partially, but then I will know accurately, just as I am accurately known. 13 Now, however, these three remain: faith, hope, love; but the greatest of these is love.


13 short verses, but what a wealth of knowledge and understanding are contained in his words….
”Miracles“ were for the benefit of spiritual infants, (”nēpios” small children) used to show them the power of God’s spirit that will be used for their eternal benefit in the new world to come (2 Peter 3:13)…..but these “infants” had to grow up and concentrate now on the more mature aspects of “faith, hope and love”.

For this reason the miracles would now become obsolete as a means to demonstrate “Christianity”, as John wrote…”I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” (John 13:34-35)

This is confirming what Paul said….”love among yourselves” would be the identifying mark of genuine Christianity.….but is this what we see in Christendom?
The patriots who masquerade as “Christians” will gladly take up arms against their own ‘brothers’ if a war breaks out in nations who have “Christians” in their military. Jesus taught us to “love our enemies”, (Matt 5:43-44) so how do “Christians” reconcile their “patriotism” with their “Christianity” then?
How can you “love your enemy” (who is also your brother) with weapons of mass destruction? (1 John 4:20-21) These also take the lives of innocent women and children.

So as the Scriptures clearly show us….our “Christianity” cannot be based on fear….it must be based on “love”, which then carries the additional benefits of “faith” and “hope”.

If we have genuine “faith”, based on “love of God“ and his Christ, we will not be seeking it elsewhere. We will have a secure “hope” in the promises of one who cannot lie.

The devil is a mimic…and he is powerful. When Jesus comes as judge, what will the false “Christians” be offering him as part of their excuses for not living up to their name? (Matt7:21-23) They “performed powerful works in his name”…and yet Jesus says to them…..”I NEVER knew you!”

….so what is the one thing the devil cannot do? He cannot raise the dead. But he proved with his attacks on Job, that he has the ability to make humans very sick and to engender fear by what he can do to bring them immense heartache and grief. Job had no idea where his trails were coming from, but he endured them faithfully, despite wondering why his God was not intervening. Even then, he knew his God well enough to know there had to be a good reason why he permitted such an incredible level of suffering. Proverbs 27:11 proved true in his case. He provided the devil with a demonstration of the most amazing level of faith, so that his aims were not met with surrender or defection.…under extreme circumstances.

We are all Job…..will the devil get to us in all the ways he has already demonstrated that can work among fallen humanity? Are we ignorant of his methods? If we are students of the Bible, we will have no excuse. If we are not students of the Bible, we still have no excuse. All we need to equip us to successfully endure the trials of this life are all provided in God’s word. (Matt 24: 13)

Satan has no new tricks….and planting seeds of doubt was his first approach to Eve. Is it working with those who, out of curiosity, might be taken down a dark path…..the “straight and narrow” one leads to life, but “few” will have enough faith to find the gate, and stay on that “cramped road to life”.
 
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Dare to? Is it that they wouldn’t “dare to”? Who would dare them? Jesus? Or satan?

What are “miracles” after all? And who can perform them?

The devil has the power to mimic certain “miracles” and pretend that they are from God. This is why there are no “miracles” after the apostolic period….because the “miracles” were to demonstrate that God had abandoned the false teachers of Judaism and transferred his favor to the followers of Christ. (Matt 23:37-39)

What were the miracles intended to show? Simply that under the rule of God’s coming Kingdom, that the sick and disabled would be healed, and that the dead would rise. Other gifts of the spirit were intended to promote unity, like being able to speak in languages they had never learned, breaking down the language barrier when Jews from different nations came to Jerusalem for the festival of Pentecost (Acts 2:5-8)….and later when Gentile believers came into the picture.
So, if Jesus' Messiah status was qualified by miracles (what he told John the Baptist and others) and Satan himself can do miracles, how are we to discern which is which?

The Pharisees concluded that Jesus was casting out demons by Beelzebub. Jesus indicated that attributing the work of the Spirit to Satan was the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. (the unforgivable sin)

This discussion is in some VERY deep water.

Acts 2:22 NIV
“Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles,
wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.

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So it does deliver on its promise.

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And so will Jesus.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
 

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The devil has the power to mimic certain “miracles” and pretend that they are from God. This is why there are no “miracles” after the apostolic period….because the “miracles” were to demonstrate that God had abandoned the false teachers of Judaism and transferred his favor to the followers of Christ. (Matt 23:37-39)

Wow, Sister, you finally said something that I disagree with. I read a lot of your posts too.
What I disagree with is that there are no miracles after the Apostles. There most certainly is. I am big on listening to folks testimonies on youtube and they cant all be lying.

Besides, the Lord has performed mairacles for me. Supernatural miracles. He did tell me once that He doesnt really want to have to perform miracles for us when He contaacts us because He likes to use the miracles on big audiences so it brings more conversionss on a bigger scale. That He would rather that us Christians learn to hear His still small voice without a miracles and obey immediately and let Him save the miracles for the big audiences.

It made sense I had to give Him that, lol But no mamm, Miracles are alive and well on planet earth. I hear about more miracles happwning overseas than here in the States. Especially Africa! Prolly because they have not been indoctrinated to not believe in miracles or spirituality over there.

I could tell you some of my own miracles I have witnessed. No healing miracles yet, well I take that back, He reset my hip joint which was out of joint. I had had an epileptic seizure and fell off of the top of a 10 ft ladder onto a concrete floor and dislocated my hip. The bone was sticking out under my skin! I didnt have health insurance at the time and didnt have the $75 for the xray, so I got helped home and layed in bed for two weeks with it dislocated and was hobbling back and forth to the bathroom. I prayed before bed time one night very fervently. I said Lord please heal me while I sleep...and I went to sleep. I got woke up in the middle of the night with a burning sensation in my hip. And it was getting hotter. It got so hot that I cried out in pain and said something I shouldnt! But the pain subsided and the burning went away and I was tired so I went back to sleep.

In the morning, I was laying in bed thinking about what happened last night? And I remembered hearing healing testimonies where the people said they felt a burning sensation at the healing site when it was happening. Then I remembered praying for healing last night. So I stood up and loosed my pajamas to take a look see. And no bone was sticking out like before! It was flat the Lord had healed me of a dislocated hip! (Praise the Lord!). It was still sore, but anytime a bone is dislocated and then reset, it will be sore for a day or three. So I knew I would have my confirmation if the soreness went away. It did go away.I didnt even feel any movement of the bone when He was doing it, only the heat.

But yeah, Miracles are not just for the Apostles. The four Gospels in scripture is a type and shadow of our own Christian life in Christ. Nothing has changed.
 

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