Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[MonoBiblical]

Show me "another" in your very loose translation and it wasn't "it was" Jesus continually existed-3x en--

J.

οὗτος, this word makes sense as something pointing to a similar but different action. The translation is not loose but follows unexpected rules.

 

[Wrangler]

@Johann cannot offer the necessary theological framework for Hypostasis because it is an erroreous teaching that is x-times removed from the original fallacy of claiming Jesus is God

What verse says one’s salvation depends on believing Jesus is God?

 

[MonoBiblical]

"The Word became flesh and dwelt among us"

True or False???

A word of flesh became or happened etc. Yes it did.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Excellent...then the Trinis don't get our crucial mediator. Good luck with their sins, prayers and even their salvation. An impossible proposition. The Christ has to be a human being as our mediator and High Priest. A divine one makes no lick of sense.

I am not one to dare say this. I don't believe that belief is more important obedience for "salvation". There is a way to obey Moses' law without know Christ, Judaism or Christianity.

 

[face2face]

What verse says one’s salvation depends on believing Jesus is God?

None

 

[face2face]

I am not one to dare say this. I don't believe that belief is more important obedience for "salvation". There is a way to obey Moses' law without know Christ, Judaism or Christianity.

No other name given among men by which a man can be saved

 

[APAK]

I am not one to dare say this. I don't believe that belief is more important obedience for "salvation". There is a way to obey Moses' law without know Christ, Judaism or Christianity.

That may be true for obedience in/of the Law, although it is more important for me to believe and have faith in Christ for my salvation. The Law is now written in my heart and not on paper or recited by someone as the Law is/was inadequate, limited to cover only a standard list of compliances, and not many others that the Spirit now makes me aware of everyday. And today the Law does not save me from mu sins.

 

[APAK]

"some shall depart from the faith...."

2 Chronichles 13:10
“As for us, the LORD is our God, and we have not forsaken him."

Micah 4:5
For all people walk each in the name of his god, But we will walk in the name of the LORD our God Forever and ever.

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist.
And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

How can a mere human hold together all the atoms in the Universe as well as all of Creation?

Unless HE is ELOHIM of Genesis = "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness"

Great Scripture of Truth

You never answered the question: How can a human be the Grantor of Eternal LIFE

The Lord Says: "I am the Lord, that is My name; And My glory I will not give to another" = Isaiah 42:8

God says: "I will not give My glory to another." = Isaiah 48:11

God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.
And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power.

@APAK @Wrangler - Did God lie???

David, you can determine whether I or he departed from the word of God or the core radical doctrines of men.

 

[Wrangler]

None

Then why do Trinitarians make it seem as though the trinity is the central message of Scripture?

 

[APAK]

How can a human be the Measure and Grantor of Eternal LIFE???

Does he alone grant eternal life, or has he now been given this authority? Check out Matthew and other Books.

 

[MonoBiblical]

No other name given among men by which a man can be saved

Saved is not the same as God raising or even waking dead ones.

 

[MonoBiblical]

No other name given among men by which a man can be saved

There is the name of God, who is not a man for this case.

 

[APAK]

Then why do Trinitarians make it seem as though the trinity is the central message of Scruoture?

They continue to make it the central message because that is the way they have been trained, the only way they know about a nature of God, the Father only, and his Son. In addition, they historically and today worship the words of their creeds with a pledge of allegiance to it at the beginning of nearly every worship service. They have kept it alive, although its fire is dimming, and the hot embers are slowly disappearing.

Look around, there has been a major exit from these places that preach and worship the false and alternative God and his false Son, with two Spirits of God added into the mix, one called holy and the other not.

 

[face2face]

There is the name of God, who is not a man for this case.

The name is given and manifested that hearers know the One True God and the revelation of the Son of Man who is coming in judgement of the house first, then the rest

 

[David in NJ]

David, you can determine whether I or he departed from the word of God or the core radical doctrines of men.

Not for me to determine but only to encourage everyone in the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE

 

[David in NJ]

Does he alone grant eternal life, or has he now been given this authority? Check out Matthew and other Books.

When did God ever say that HE would share His Glory with human flesh???

 

[David in NJ]

A word of flesh became or happened etc. Yes it did.

Watza "word of flesh" ???

 

[Wrangler]

because … they historically and today worship the words of their creeds with a pledge of allegiance to it at the beginning of nearly every worship service.

Concisely put. Subordination of the revealed words of God to manmade creeds. Any trinitarian rebuttal?

 

[David in NJ]

Concisely put. Subordination of the revealed words of God to manmade creeds. Any trinitarian rebuttal?

Elohim Says, "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness"

 

[face2face]

Elohim Says, "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness"

Lovely

Matthew 26:53 "Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels?"

Amen!