Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[face2face]

@David in NJ approximately 60,000 angels...more than 3 I'm sorry

 

[face2face]

Do you know what 1 angel did here? @David in NJ 2 Samuel 24:16

Yes, made in their image we are! as they are made in His!

Family David - you must have one, or have come from one?

F2F

 

[David in NJ]

Lovely

Matthew 26:53 "Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels?"

Amen!

Angels were created by the Word that was God.

Not a single angel involved in creating ALL things by His Word

 

[David in NJ]

Do you know what 1 angel did here? @David in NJ 2 Samuel 24:16

Yes, made in their image we are! as they are made in His!

Family David - you must have one, or have come from one?

F2F

Not a single angel included with Elohim in Genesis chapter 1

The Word that was God created all the angels.

 

[RLT63]

Do you know what 1 angel did here? @David in NJ 2 Samuel 24:16

Yes, made in their image we are! as they are made in His!

Family David - you must have one, or have come from one?

F2F

We are made in the image of angels? And angels are made in the image of God?
Give me those scriptures please

 

[face2face]

Not a single angel included with Elohim in Genesis chapter 1

The Word that was God created all the angels.

All God's children are created being David - you're learning

 

[face2face]

We are made in the image of angels? And angels are made in the image of God?
Give me those scriptures please

Genesis 18:1-3 (ESV) – The Three Visitors to Abraham
Genesis 19:1-5 (ESV) – The Angels in Sodom
Judges 13:3-21 (ESV) – The Angel of the Lord and Manoah
Luke 24:4-7 (ESV) – The Angel at the Tomb of Jesus

In what form did they appear RLT63?

 

[RLT63]

Genesis 18:1-3 (ESV) – The Three Visitors to Abraham
Genesis 19:1-5 (ESV) – The Angels in Sodom
Judges 13:3-21 (ESV) – The Angel of the Lord and Manoah
Luke 24:4-7 (ESV) – The Angel at the Tomb of Jesus

In what form did they appear RLT63?

Where does it say that we are made in their image or that they are made in God’s image?
The fact that they can appear as men does nothing for your claim

 

[face2face]

Where does it say that we are made in their image or that they are made in God’s image?
The fact that they can appear as men does nothing for your claim

That's gold...read it again and again until the penny drops.

 

[RLT63]

That's gold...read it again and again until the penny drops.

I see you have no response

 

[face2face]

I see you have no response

It was amusing how you portrayed the created angels as being made in a non-God image, yet appearing as men in God's image.

If you don't understand, feel free to move on.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Where did @RedFan go?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Why does the TRUTH of Elohim, as Spoken in Genesis chapter 1 and Forward deter you from believing???

Why would I believe something that the Bible does not teach?
Jesus never even mentioned himself as part of a triune godhead.
You are as stuck in false beliefs as you ever were...removing yourself from the RCC did you no favours, if all you did was carry their doctrines over to your new ‘home’....

Elohim is the plural of excellence/majesty, not a statement about how many different personalities God has.
Jesus Christ spoke with his Father in heaven whilst he was on earth…..how does one God split himself into three different persons who can apparently all talk to one another, and be in different places at the same time? The God of Israel was not that God. Yahweh was “ONE” not three. (Deut 6:4)

You worship a god invented by the RCC, so you didn’t run very far did you? You never acknowledge the Scripture provided to you to demonstrate how erroneous the trinity is…but there is no correcting someone who can’t be wrong.

We will all stand before the same judge…..

There is still time to find “the only true God”…..and to identify “the one he sent” (John 17:3)…..(heaven knows why we don’t need to “know” the Holy Spirit)…..but you will never find the true God if you stop looking….and accept a counterfeit god invented by satan’s church system.

 

[face2face]

Elohim is the plural of excellence/majesty, not a statement about how many different personalities God has.

Nice sentence!

 

[MonoBiblical]

Watza "word of flesh" ???

ὁ λόγος σὰρξ o logos sarx

 

[MonoBiblical]

We are made in the image of angels? And angels are made in the image of God?
Give me those scriptures please

While it is implied that Angels are made in an image of God, Adam and Eves mankinds are explicitly said to have been. Male and female he created them.

 

[Ritajanice]

Jesus Christ spoke with his Father in heaven whilst he was on earth…

He walked a bit farther from them, sank to His knees, and cried out to His Father, God. “'Abba, Father,' He said, 'everything is possible for You. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what You will'” (14:36).



This is where it gets confusing for me.

Many a time I have got on my knees and cried out to God, saying, I’ve had enough Lord,I can’t do this anymore....then out of the blue comes an inner strength where I just soldier on....just sharing on a mission that God sent me on, it started 33 yrs ago.....I’m still on that mission, thankfully now...I’m resting in God and leaving everything to him as I’ve done my part that he asked me to do,,, that’s my story.

As for Jesus... I wish a trinitarian would explain, that if Jesus was God, then why did he cry out to his Father per scripture above, also he cried out to his Father when he was dying on the cross.?

Matthew 27:45-47 (also Mark 15:33-34)says: “Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land until the ninth hour. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani? ' that is, 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

 

[face2face]

There is still time to find “the only true God”…..and to identify “the one he sent” (John 17:3)…..(heaven knows why we don’t need to “know” the Holy Spirit)…..but you will never find the true God if you stop looking….and accept a counterfeit god invented by satan’s church system.

I couldn't help not deal with this though.

Because "Satan" means adversary, we see in Revelation what you refer to as a "Satan system," but Scripture reveals it as the "Synagogue of Satan."

"I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."

In this context, the opposing force was Judaism, specifically those who were manipulating the Roman authorities to imprison the believers.

Revelation 2:10 "Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil (Roman Authorities) will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown."

Both of these examples illustrate how the Lord used the terms "false accuser" and "adversary" to highlight those who are opposed to the Gospel and its people. These terms serve to identify forces, human, that stand against the truth and the spread of God's message, revealing the conflict believers face in their faith journey.

Of course the clue is seen in the use of the word Synagouge!

There are "spiritual" Jews as well as natural Jews. Those who embrace the Truth embrace a Jewish hope
(Acts 28:20), and are counted as spiritual Israelites (cp. Rom. 2:28; 9:7-8; Eph. 2:11-14). There were some in Smyrna who were laying false claims to being spiritual Jews, but who were, in fact, members of Satan's synagogue (wolves in sheep clothing!).

The term "synagogue" signifies a gathering or congregation, and sometimes refers to the building where such a group meets. In Smyrna, the blasphemers who falsely claimed to be apocalyptic Jews, or by interpretation, Christians, were not referred to as "the Ecclesia of Satan," as that would suggest they were called out by a special invitation. Instead, these pseudo-spiritual Jews "went out" of the Ecclesia on their own (see 1 John 2:19), falsely accusing their brethren of being in error. By separating themselves, they formed a congregation of Satan, the adversary. They opposed those who held to the Truth, all while falsely claiming some identity with them. Their claim, however, was blasphemous.

Hope that helps. (@Wrangler and @APAK )

F2F

 

[face2face]

While it is implied that Angels are made in an image of God, Adam and Eves mankinds are explicitly said to have been. Male and female he created them.

If not in God's image, then whose image?

• They behold His Face
• They possess His Divine Nature
• They are Eternal Beings

I mean, if we have Trinitarians debating this, what has this forum come to?

F2F

 

[MonoBiblical]

If not in God's image, then whose image?

• They behold His Face
• They possess His Divine Nature
• They are Eternal Beings

I mean, if we have Trinitarians debating this, what has this forum come to?

F2F

The angels have their own image and design. You speculate but the scriptures don't say no or yes.