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To understand what has become known to me its requires one to read what I posted @Wrangler.

People are free to question, but my response isn’t unreasonable, though people may think it simply “is crazy.”

To me Jesus is on the throne transfigured with his Father known as the LORD GOD Almighty.

But people can continue to believe whatever they want to believe in the end. It’s their choice, after all.
 

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You cannot believe a being who holds divine nature die and then be reward with eternal nature!
In nearly every post now, you are demonstrating your unbelief in scripture.

“For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; ”
John 5:26 KJV

“17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. ”
John 10:17-18 KJV
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Here is the uniqueness of the Divinity of Christ, being given the same life as the Father, along with the authority to lay it down. That life He received was immortal self existent life. He could die because He chose to. Not because He was killed, but because He gave it up. Angels and created men cannot do that as their lives are not their own.
 

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In nearly every post now, you are demonstrating your unbelief in scripture.
Isn't it an exaggeration, Brakelite, that you believe strengthens your argument, but in reality, it doesn't?
“For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he (God) given to the Son to have life in himself;
John 5:26 KJV
So one (Jesus) who was held under the dominion of death like you, has been given life in himself!

To this I agree:- Christ had "no life" until the Father gave it to him

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Now that is very revealing. The Jewish rulers also considered themselves sons of God, which is why they reacted so strongly against Christ when He claimed God as His Father, calling it blasphemy. Are you agreeing with them now?
A touch of desperation there Brakelite.

"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." (Psalm 82:6)

They missed the mark and their calling, ultimately becoming hardened in unbelief.

"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"

Brakelite, if gods is used of God’s representatives Psa 82:1-4 which is also rendered “Judges” in Ex 21:6; 22:8-9 22:28, 2 Chron 19:5-6. do you have a problem with it being applied to the Messiah (as per Psa 45:6-7, Heb 1:8-9)

Maybe you can take that up with him when he comes?

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Now that is very revealing. The Jewish rulers also considered themselves sons of God, which is why they reacted so strongly against Christ when He claimed God as His Father, calling it blasphemy. Are you agreeing with them now?
What an odd attempt as slander. It was Jesus who pointed out that they are all gods via Ps 82:6 (not sons). He only considered himself the son of god. What verse are you relying on to support the claim that "The Jewish rulers also considered themselves sons of God?"

As I pointed out, John 1:12 says that we too are sons and daughters of God. Are you refuting this?
 

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In nearly every post now, you are demonstrating your unbelief in scripture.

“For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; ”
John 5:26 KJV

“17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. ”
John 10:17-18 KJV
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Here is the uniqueness of the Divinity of Christ, being given the same life as the Father, along with the authority to lay it down. That life He received was immortal self existent life. He could die because He chose to. Not because He was killed, but because He gave it up. Angels and created men cannot do that as their lives are not their own.
Now in John 5:26, God did not give his Son immortality or glorification yet until he died and arose from the death by the power of his Father only. And in both John 10 verses 17 and 18 Jesus used similar veiled language for his ignorant audience.

Jesus knew if he kept spotless and sinless until death, and that was under Jesus' steam or power, as for any acceptable sacrifice for God, his Father, Jesus was permitted to become raised by the Father, as the Father commanded/told he would do so beforehand.

So do not get confused and think that Jesus had the power to raise himself from the dead. It was because Jesus was spotless his Father granted immortality. And in this way Jesus had the power to either die and become resurrected or not.
 
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It depends on what you mean.

Baptism signifies a commitment to become a disciple of the teacher who performs the baptism. When someone is baptized, they promise to study under this teacher, living with and learning from them. For example, those who were baptized by John became his students (refer to Acts 19).

When someone else performs the act of baptism, they are essentially making disciples for someone else. In this case, the person performing the baptism is acting on behalf of the baptizer. For example, if a large number of people approached John seeking to become his disciples, he might ask someone to assist him. That assistant would then be making disciples for John by baptizing them in John's name.

Thus, when Jesus instructs his disciples to baptize in his name, he means to say that his disciples are helping Jesus make disciples. Those whom the disciples baptize are making disciples for Jesus.

The Great Commission begins with a command to make disciples. "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations . . ." The second half of the commandment is to make disciples for "the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." In other words, although Jesus' disciples were baptizing people, they weren't making disciples for themselves. In this case, the baptizers were Jesus' assistants and Jesus is the teacher, "teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”



by "baptize in the name of."

To baptize "in the name of" means "by the authority of". In Matt. 28:19, Jesus instructed His apostles to initiate new disciples, as in Christians, of all nations for Him, and yet Jesus doesn't give them authority to do so in His name by only saying "in the name of the Son", but rather, "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit". What need was there for the Son to include the Father and the Holy Spirit if They weren't one with each Other?
 
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So do not get confused and think that Jesus had the power to raise himself from the dead.
This is a Pagan idea, from the Greek god Phoenix, that one emerges by their own power from death.

To accept this, one must reject what death means, the cessation of life, of independent function.
 
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To baptize "in the name of" means "by the authority of". In Matt. 28:19, Jesus commissioned His apostles to initiate new disciples, as in Christians, of all nations for Him, and yet Jesus doesn't give them authority to do so in His name by just saying "in the name of the Son", but rather, "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." What need was there for the Son to include the Father and the Holy Spirit if They weren't one with each other?
What do you think it means for them to be one with each other?
 

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You need to be able to reconcile these Scriptures without negating either of them.
They saw God. No one has seen God. Is the Bible confused on this point? Or is it that God the Father is never seen, and God the Son is seen, even before His birth, being at that time the Messenger of YHWH, Who is oft said in the Bible to be YHWH Himself.

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I already did.... If you took the time to read my Agency post.. like I suggested you do... You would have known John was correct... and in Exodus 24:11.... Only God's Agent was present... Not God!!! Now go read my post so that you may know these things!!!
 

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Like I said..... this is why you fail.... I guess You needed the rest from your theological spanking.... So lets start from the top... again....

On the authority of Jesus himself we know that the categories of "flesh" and "spirit" are never to be confused or intermingled, though the course of God's Spirit can impact our world. Jesus said, "That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit" (John 3:6). And "God is Spirit." The doctrine of the incarnation confuses these categories. What God has separated man has joined together! One of the charges that the apostle Paul levels at simple man is that we have "exchange the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man" (Romans 1:23). Has it ever dawned on us as we sit in church listening to how the glorious Creator made Himself into a man that we could be guilty of this very same thing? The doctrine of the incarnation has reduced the incorruptible God to our own corruptible image. We are made in God's image, not the other way around. It would be more appropriate to put this contrast in starker terms. The defining characteristic of the Creator God is his absolute holiness. God is utterly different from and so utterly transcendent over His creation that any confusion is forbidden!

INCARNA'TION, n. The act of clothing with flesh.

1. The act of assuming flesh, or of taking a human body and the nature of man; as the incarnation of the Son of God.

Can God take on the nature of man? What did Paul say?
Romans 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

However, we know that Jesus was begotten. Yet, not eternally begotten! Which is un-scriptural!

BEGOT', BEGOT'TEN, pp. of get. Procreated; generated.

Now let's look at John 1:10 regarding, the world was made through Him (Jesus).

Joh 1:10 In the world He was, and the world came into being through(dia) Him, and the world knew Him not." 11 To His own He came, and those who are His own accepted Him not."

To be a Christian means you know that our Lord Jesus is the diameter, the purpose of the universe. His kingdom is coming! This is God's purpose and it will not be frustrated.

Another verse saying the same thing is Hebrews 1:2. It says God has “appointed” His son to be the “heir of all things” and that it was “through him that he made the world'(s). Here our translations are not quite accurate, what the author wrote was not that through Jesus God made the world(s) but ages. God planned to complete His purpose for all creation through the agency of his son Jesus. The preposition that is used in relation to Jesus and the world, or the ages, is “through” (Greek dia from which you will see comes our English word diameter).

Dia is the “preposition of attendant circumstances" and signifies instrumental agency. Put simply, this means that dia denotes the means by which an action is accomplished. And Scripture tells us that God the originator is bringing His purpose, His logos to fulfillment through Jesus Christ. Jesus is the Agent, the Mediator of God's master plan. Jesus is always seen as secondary, or subordinate to the Father. There are occasional exceptions to this general use of the preposition dia. Sometimes blessings are said to come to us through God (e.g. 1 Cor 1:9; Heb.2: 10). But usually there is a clear distinction made between God’s initiating activity and the means through which God brings that activity to pass. The prepositions used of God's action are hypo and ek which point to primary causation or origin. Let's cement this idea in our minds by looking at one or two verses that highlight the difference: “yet for us there is but one God, the father, from [ek, ‘out from’ ] whom are all things, and we exist for [ eis, ‘to’ ] Him; and one lord, Jesus Christ, through [dia] him” (1Cor.8:6).

Prepositions are the signposts that point out the direction of a passage. Ek indicates something coming out from its source or origin, and indicates motion from the interior. In other words, all things came out from the loving heart of God, or God's “interior”, so to speak.

This agrees with Genesis 1:1 which says, “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth”. Both verses say that the source of “all things” is the one true God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth and the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. In contradistinction to this "one God and Father" out of Whom all things originate, the "one Lord, Jesus Messiah” is giving the preposition dia which means "through." In other words, Jesus is God's agent through whom God accomplishes His plan for our lives. This is a consistent pattern all the way through the N.T. God the Father is the source, the origin of all blessings, and Jesus His Son brings those blessings of salvation to us:

"Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ" (2 Cor.5:18).

"God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ… has blessed us… in Christ. He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to himself” (Eph.1:3-5).

"For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thess.5:9).

"God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus” (Rom. 2:16).

"For God… has saved us, and called us... according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity" (2 Tim 1:9).

"Blessed be God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has caused us to be born-again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead" (1 Peter 1:3).

"To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen" (Jude 25).

"Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which god performed through him in your midst" (Acts 2:22).

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Paul tell us in 1Co 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through (dia) whom we exist.

Always God the Father is the source and origin of all works, deeds and salvation which come to us through the mediatorship of his son. From Him comes all to us through our Lord Jesus Christ so that to God the Father made all the praise be directed. The Father is the sole origin and Creator of "all things." In contrast, Jesus is the Father's commissioned Lord Messiah through whom God's plan for the world is coming to completion. The whole Bible from cover to cover categorically states that God created the universe and all the ages with Jesus Christ at the center of his eternal purpose. Jesus is the diameter running all the way through.

“The world was made through him,” i.e. with Christ in mind.

In the light of this background, it is far better to read John's prologue to mean that in the beginning God had a plan, a dream, a grand vision for the world, and a reason by which he brought all things into being. This word or plan was expressive of who He is.

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In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word. " 2 This was in the beginning toward God. 3 All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being."

Now get off your laxy butt... and post.... a reply... Not some social media meme. So do some actual work....!!!! Did you get approval from your pastor to respond?

Because your making your cause look kinda stupid with only responding with memes... while the mature in Christ use scripture... to spank your theology!

You can let go of your spiritual ankles now.... your theological spanking is complete.....
 
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Like I said..... this is why you fail.... I guess You needed the rest from your theological spanking.... So lets start from the top... again....

On the authority of Jesus himself we know that the categories of "flesh" and "spirit" are never to be confused or intermingled, though the course of God's Spirit can impact our world. Jesus said, "That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit" (John 3:6). And "God is Spirit." The doctrine of the incarnation confuses these categories. What God has separated man has joined together! One of the charges that the apostle Paul levels at simple man is that we have "exchange the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man" (Romans 1:23). Has it ever dawned on us as we sit in church listening to how the glorious Creator made Himself into a man that we could be guilty of this very same thing? The doctrine of the incarnation has reduced the incorruptible God to our own corruptible image. We are made in God's image, not the other way around. It would be more appropriate to put this contrast in starker terms. The defining characteristic of the Creator God is his absolute holiness. God is utterly different from and so utterly transcendent over His creation that any confusion is forbidden!

INCARNA'TION, n. The act of clothing with flesh.

1. The act of assuming flesh, or of taking a human body and the nature of man; as the incarnation of the Son of God.

Can God take on the nature of man? What did Paul say?
Romans 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

However, we know that Jesus was begotten. Yet, not eternally begotten! Which is un-scriptural!

BEGOT', BEGOT'TEN, pp. of get. Procreated; generated.

Now let's look at John 1:10 regarding, the world was made through Him (Jesus).

Joh 1:10 In the world He was, and the world came into being through(dia) Him, and the world knew Him not." 11 To His own He came, and those who are His own accepted Him not."

To be a Christian means you know that our Lord Jesus is the diameter, the purpose of the universe. His kingdom is coming! This is God's purpose and it will not be frustrated.

Another verse saying the same thing is Hebrews 1:2. It says God has “appointed” His son to be the “heir of all things” and that it was “through him that he made the world'(s). Here our translations are not quite accurate, what the author wrote was not that through Jesus God made the world(s) but ages. God planned to complete His purpose for all creation through the agency of his son Jesus. The preposition that is used in relation to Jesus and the world, or the ages, is “through” (Greek dia from which you will see comes our English word diameter).

Dia is the “preposition of attendant circumstances" and signifies instrumental agency. Put simply, this means that dia denotes the means by which an action is accomplished. And Scripture tells us that God the originator is bringing His purpose, His logos to fulfillment through Jesus Christ. Jesus is the Agent, the Mediator of God's master plan. Jesus is always seen as secondary, or subordinate to the Father. There are occasional exceptions to this general use of the preposition dia. Sometimes blessings are said to come to us through God (e.g. 1 Cor 1:9; Heb.2: 10). But usually there is a clear distinction made between God’s initiating activity and the means through which God brings that activity to pass. The prepositions used of God's action are hypo and ek which point to primary causation or origin. Let's cement this idea in our minds by looking at one or two verses that highlight the difference: “yet for us there is but one God, the father, from [ek, ‘out from’ ] whom are all things, and we exist for [ eis, ‘to’ ] Him; and one lord, Jesus Christ, through [dia] him” (1Cor.8:6).

Prepositions are the signposts that point out the direction of a passage. Ek indicates something coming out from its source or origin, and indicates motion from the interior. In other words, all things came out from the loving heart of God, or God's “interior”, so to speak.

This agrees with Genesis 1:1 which says, “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth”. Both verses say that the source of “all things” is the one true God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth and the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. In contradistinction to this "one God and Father" out of Whom all things originate, the "one Lord, Jesus Messiah” is giving the preposition dia which means "through." In other words, Jesus is God's agent through whom God accomplishes His plan for our lives. This is a consistent pattern all the way through the N.T. God the Father is the source, the origin of all blessings, and Jesus His Son brings those blessings of salvation to us:

"Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ" (2 Cor.5:18).

"God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ… has blessed us… in Christ. He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to himself” (Eph.1:3-5).

"For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thess.5:9).

"God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus” (Rom. 2:16).

"For God… has saved us, and called us... according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity" (2 Tim 1:9).

"Blessed be God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has caused us to be born-again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead" (1 Peter 1:3).

"To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen" (Jude 25).

"Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which god performed through him in your midst" (Acts 2:22).

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Paul tell us in 1Co 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through (dia) whom we exist.

Always God the Father is the source and origin of all works, deeds and salvation which come to us through the mediatorship of his son. From Him comes all to us through our Lord Jesus Christ so that to God the Father made all the praise be directed. The Father is the sole origin and Creator of "all things." In contrast, Jesus is the Father's commissioned Lord Messiah through whom God's plan for the world is coming to completion. The whole Bible from cover to cover categorically states that God created the universe and all the ages with Jesus Christ at the center of his eternal purpose. Jesus is the diameter running all the way through.

“The world was made through him,” i.e. with Christ in mind.

In the light of this background, it is far better to read John's prologue to mean that in the beginning God had a plan, a dream, a grand vision for the world, and a reason by which he brought all things into being. This word or plan was expressive of who He is.

CLV(John 1:1)
In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word. " 2 This was in the beginning toward God. 3 All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being."

Now get off your laxy butt... and post.... a reply... Not some social media meme. So do some actual work....!!!! Did you get approval from your pastor to respond?


Because your making your cause look kinda stupid with only responding with memes... while the mature in Christ use scripture... to spank your theology!

You can let go of your spiritual ankles now.... your theological spanking is complete.....
Thanks for the spanking :Broadly:

Question for you, in theory, could Christ have failed in His mission, remain sinless, bear us, do everything the Father wanted from Him, all the way to a horrible death, putting the full weight of more than 100 billion sinners on His shoulders and take away the trillions of sins?

If you think the answer is "yes", then God is a gambler.

Answering my own question, "No, of course Christ could not fail", God is no gambler, He can't fail.
 

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If you think the answer is "yes", then God is a gambler.

Answering my own question, "No, of course Christ could not fail", God is no gambler, He can't fail.
I like this question Pro!

Hebrews 12:4, which says, "In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood."

So much you don't seem to know about the Lord's struggles - it's there if you care to look.

I wouldn't call Him a Gambler but more Someone Who had the confidence in His Son not dissimilar to Abraham and Isaac. Isaac resisted not!

F2F
 

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To baptize "in the name of" means "by the authority of". In Matt. 28:19, Jesus commissioned His apostles to initiate new disciples, as in Christians, of all nations for Him, and yet Jesus doesn't give them authority to do so in His name by just saying "in the name of the Son", but rather, "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." What need was there for the Son to include the Father and the Holy Spirit if They weren't one with each other?
Good question.....why did Jesus include baptism “in the name of” the Father, son and holy spirit?
What role did each play in the spiritual journey of all genuine disciples? Jesus was the teacher, but who taught him all that he knew?

John 5:36-38...Jesus said....
“But I have the witness greater than that of John, for the very works that my Father assigned me to accomplish, these works that I am doing, bear witness that the Father sent me. 37  And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. You have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his form, 38  and you do not have his word residing in you, because you do not believe the very one whom he sent.”

Contained in those words and many others, is the key to understanding Matt 28:19-20....

Jesus did not “send” himself, but the Father did. Why was the son needed to provide a ransom for the human race? The answer is simple....the son was not God, and not an immortal. The Father could not come to earth as a human because he was the Almighty Creator of all things, and an immortal Being who could not die, and didn’t need to, in order to rescue Adam’s children.

God’s law of redemption was a simple exchange......one for one. Atonement is “at-one-meant”...a perfect sinless life was lost for all of Adam’s children, so the sacrifice of an equivalent sinless human life was needed to redeem them....nothing more...nothing less.

I see all these exchanges going into needlessly complicated scenarios, when all that is needed is to understand what redemption is, and how Jesus provided it.

All Jesus did and said was from his Father...and all the powerful works that he accomplished were under the power of the holy spirit.....a power he was able to pass on to his disciples after his death and resurrection.
Even while he was still with them, the holy spirit could work through them using his name......so “in the name of” someone means under their authority....and it doesn’t have to be a living entity that exercises that authority. The law was not a person but it held authority over the Jews.

Just as a Sheriff may tell a criminal to “stop in the name of the law”....but even though the law is not a living entity, it has authority over people. Just as the holy spirit is not a person but has authority from God, as does his son.....this ‘threesome’ are not a trinity, (three gods in one entity) and no Scripture says so.

Jesus’ first century disciples understood exactly what Jesus meant when all of his teachings were cemented into their consciousness at Pentecost......the holy spirit was poured out on each one assembled in an upper room, and they received their anointing as Jesus had at his baptism. Powerful works followed.

Father, son and holy spirit all played a vital role in the end result....that of becoming a baptized disciple of Jesus Christ, with the commission to go out to the people with his message of salvation and bring in more disciples (Matt 24:14)....I cannot understand why people need to complicate that which was never complicated until the foretold “apostasy” took place centuries ago.....it was all downhill from there. (2 Thess 2:1-5)

2 Thess 2:6-12 also tell us why God allows these things to take place. God is testing every individual as to whether or not they find “unrighteousness” to be a better fit than the righteousness that Jesus taught.

God can discern in a person’s heart if the truth sits well, or if a person finds it uncomfortable. The “delusions” entertained as truth will be exposed, and quite frankly, they will be a complete shock to the majority who have rejected the truth in favour of what was never the truth in the first place....(Matt 7:21-23)
 

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Question for you, in theory, could Christ have failed in His mission, remain sinless, bear us, do everything the Father wanted from Him, all the way to a horrible death, putting the full weight of more than 100 billion sinners on His shoulders and take away the trillions of sins?

If you think the answer is "yes", then God is a gambler.

Answering my own question, "No, of course Christ could not fail", God is no gambler, He can't fail.
Another good question.....

Jesus was 100% human or he could not have provided the ransom price demanded....redemption was a well known law in Israel. It had to do with indebtedness and ability to pay. Jesus gave us an illustration to show us why we could never pay the debt of sin that Adam gave us, ourselves. (Matt 18:21-34)

In Israel, if a man got into debt and could not repay, he was pressed into service until the full amount was paid off.....sometimes it took many years. If he had a family to support, he could offer one of his children to service the debt, or if he had a wealthy friend or relative, they could provide the means to pay the debt and free the man from service.

I have explained how Jesus paid the ransom in my previous post, but the fact that Jesus was 100% human meant that he had free will and could well have blown his role as redeemer.....but why did God chose him.....the Father was 100% confident in his son’s love, not only for his Father but also for the human race whom he had had a part in creating. His love for God and man was stronger that satan’s ego and vanity. He could offer Jesus nothing that would sway him off course.

The son of God took on the role knowing full well the pitfalls, but in his sinlessness had no hooks for Satan to grab hold of. Jesus did not fall for the faulty thinking that had led satan astray. (James 1:14-15) This did not stop the devil from trying his best to derail the redeemer’s course.

Was God a gambler? Or was he just 100% confident that his precious son would undergo such suffering because he loved us as much as his Father did? (John 3:16)
Jesus knew in advance what was ahead of him, and as a human his strength was not unlimited. His resolve however was constantly boosted by his Father, providing angelic help when it was needed. (Matt 4:11; Luke 22:43; Matt 26:53)
 
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