Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[APAK]

I know that Jesus was conceived by divine conception..therefore if you say that Jesus was fully human, he was also fully divine..

He produced a Son ( God) his Name was Jesus.....therefore he was just as much divine as he was human, how did Mary conceive Gods Son @APAK ?

Rita that is what you want to greatly believe about Jesus although you have no scripture to show this as fact. And I have scripture to say he was not truly divine. I have Jesus' own words as my backup, what is yours?
And further it would impossible for a man to have two nature or two spirits living within him. It's impossible. One spirit means one nature only.

So what do you think about Isaac as the son of man only?

 

[Wrangler]

@Wrangler @APAK

What is the Divine nature? Who can comprehend it! blood? Is Jesus both flesh and spirit, or is He something else? It's one of the "unknowns" which must be accepted this side of the Kingdom age. It's not "knowledge" which is overly important really, more curiously if anything.

If ever a question deserved it's own thread!

The notion of not knowing something is difficult for man to accept. One could make the argument that is the Original Sin, IDOLATRY of knowledge.

Admitting there is something we don't know requires humility. Odd that anyone would feel the need to develop an entire set of doctrines on what we don't know, especially in the face of revelation from God.

God tells us X. In our arrogance, we say that's not good enough, just as Adam and Eve said, and act accordingly. Let's speculate on divine nature, coming up with a series of complicated suppositions, Appealing to Ignorance along the way and claim anyone who does not accept these man-made doctrines is fated for hell fire for eternity.

God does not want this. He wants us to act on faith, meaning act without us knowing. He wanted this for Adam and Eve and he wants this for us. Simple. But not easy.

 

[Ritajanice]

Rita that is what you want to greatly believe about Jesus although you have no scripture to show this as fact. And I have scripture to say he was not truly divine. I have Jesus' own words as my backup, what is yours?

No you haven’t I’m afraid..Mary became pregnant by God, now you explain that away ,you can’t?

Are you saying the Son Of God wasn’t divine, yet Mary became pregnant by God, who is fully divine?

And further it would impossible for a man to have two nature or two spirits living within him. It's impossible. One spirit means one nature only.

Wrong..a Born Again has the new nature, the old nature / old man still rears its ugly head?

Why is the new man and old man always at war with one another @APAK ?...

What is the difference between the old man and the new man?
The nature of the “new man” is that of the Holy Spirit, therefore He desires to love, obey and please God. The nature of the “old man” is that of the flesh, which manifests itself through self-centeredness; self-gratification, and self-righteousness.

So what do you think about Isaac as the son of man only?

No idea what you are talking about here.

I’m talking Jesus the divine Son Of God?

A human nature , Born of woman, ?..yet how did Mary conceive Jesus?..by Gods Living Spirit?..are you saying Jesus wasn’t Born by the seed of God @APAK ...?

If you are saying that, how was Jesus conceived by Mary?
What is the seed of God and what does it represent?

Our spirit is Born Of God’s seed...?..does that mean our nature is Born Again? @APAK ?

We are partakers Of the divine nature, which means what?

 

[APAK]

No you haven’t I’m afraid..Mary became pregnant by God, now you explain that away ,you can’t?

Wrong..a Born Again has the new nature, the old nature / old man still rears its ugly head?

No idea what you are talking about here.

I’m talking Jesus the divine Son Of God?

A human nature , Born of woman, ?..yet how did Mary conceive Jesus?..

Slow it way down else I'm outa here if you do not stop to read my words again Rita...

Being reborn with the Spirit of God is not what we are talking about here. Please keep it off the table in this discussion it will just continue to confuse at this point. If you persist with it then I'm gone. We are writing about the birth and the person of Jesus, right? Please focus and stay on the subject...thx

I say again it's impossible for Jesus to have been born with 2 spirits and two natures. He was born with one nature, a human nature by God that was not tainted by sin as was the 1st Adam. In other words Jesus did not have the propensity to sin as the typical son of man.

Yes, God dis possess or speak to his human spirit and in his mind throughout his life, God was inside Jesus if you will and he grew in spiritual maturity with God, his FATHER.

 

[Ritajanice]

Slow it way down else I'm outa here if you do not stop to read my words again Rita...

Being reborn with the Spirit of God is not what we are talking about here. Please keep it off the table in this discussion it will just continue to confuse at this point. If you persist with it then I'm gone. We are writing about the birth and the person of Jesus, right? Please focus and stay on the subject...thx

I say again it's impossible for Jesus to have been born with 2 spirits and two natures. He was born with one nature, a human nature by God that was not tainted by sin as was the 1st Adam. In other words Jesus did not have the propensity to sin as the typical son of man.

That’s your opinion, you aren’t explaining how Mary conceived Jesus, my opinion and belief was by divine intervention, therefore Jesus was 100% divine, ...I’m not saying fully divine like God, most definitely divine, because he was God’s Son....Mary became pregnant by supernatural divine intervention..pretty obvious reading the word, .

Yes, God dis possess or speak to his human spirit and in his mind throughout his life, God was inside Jesus if you will and he grew in spiritual maturity with God, his FATHER.

I agree here.thanks...as he was God’s Son and had direct line to God through his spirit.which again imo is pretty obvious because he was God’s Spirit Son...being that he was conceived by Gods Living Spirit..my thoughts.

 

[amigo de christo]

Slow it way down else I'm outa here if you do not stop to read my words again Rita...

Being reborn with the Spirit of God is not what we are talking about here. Please keep it off the table in this discussion it will just continue to confuse at this point. If you persist with it then I'm gone. We are writing about the birth and the person of Jesus, right? Please focus and stay on the subject...thx

I say again it's impossible for Jesus to have been born with 2 spirits and two natures. He was born with one nature, a human nature by God that was not tainted by sin as was the 1st Adam. In other words Jesus did not have the propensity to sin as the typical son of man.

Yes, God dis possess or speak to his human spirit and in his mind throughout his life, God was inside Jesus if you will and he grew in spiritual maturity with God, his FATHER.

quite simple . Truth is the WORD of GOD became flesh
Had to take on our Same flesh so as HE could be tempted in all points such as we
AND YET HE OVERCOMES . SO The WORD is SPIRIT as it is TRUTH .
Even we who have been born again still have our flesh , its just HEED THE SPIRIT and not the FLESH .
This two nature thing you try and explain to explain away WHO JESUS truly IS and was , not good friend .
Rather let us believe what is written .
And what is written clearly says this ,
In the beginning was the WORD and the Word was with GOD and GOD is the Word .
That HE had created all things
HE even came unto His own and etc .
OKAY . lets keep with the scriptures and not go off into our own way of thinking to try and
understand , for by the carnal mind can no man grasp . Gotta as a child
simply believe , FIRST BELEIVE what is written , the understanding will comein time .
BUT if folks cannot even believe what is written , the VERY TRUTH that was written
HOW ON EARTH are they ever gonna hear the heavenly . THEY WONT .
TIME to return to the bible and simply BELIEVE , as do a child , what is written . ANd do beware of men they sure love to twist things .

 

[Scott Downey]

How I understand this, is that it's significant and needful that He be both God and man, Son of God and son of man. To act as intercessory High Priest.... mediary between God and man....like a bridge back to God for fallen man. We had been cut off and disconnected from God because of sin, but Christ connects us back to the Father again. He stands in the gap for us....He ever lives to make intercession for us. And He had to be both God and man to do this because a bridge has to be connected at both ends to function as a bridge, so to speak.

yes, to be man's way back to the Father God, Christ had to be both God and Man together. Christ is the only way back to the Father, there is no other way.

 

[Ritajanice]

I don’t believe Jesus was God, he represented God, he was God’s divine Son...he was born by divine intervention,that does not make him God, plus he was conceived by a human, how can that make Jesus fully God, makes no sense.to me ..he was born a human, but his Spirit was in perfect harmony with his Father God , was it not?

 

[APAK]

That’s your opinion, you aren’t explaining how Mary conceived Jesus, my opinion and belief was by divine intervention, therefore Jesus was 100% divine, ...I’m not saying fully divine like God, most definitely divine, because he was God’s Son....Mary became pregnant by supernatural divine intervention..pretty obvious reading the word, .

I agree here.thanks...as he was God’s Son and had direct line to God through his spirit.which again imo is pretty obvious because he was God’s Spirit Son...being that he was conceived by Gods Living Spirit..my thoughts.

Well of course Rita Jesus was conceived by God, who is the source of divinity, agreed! Yes, a divine birth indeed. Although this divinity of the Father does not 'leak over' into his son's human spirit because the Father is the divine one. That maybe is the area that is bothering you?

You do know that God the Father is the Father of all spirits he creates, right, and these spirits are not God divine clones either...

 

[amigo de christo]

yes, to be man's way back to the Father God, Christ had to be both God and Man together. Christ is the only way back to the Father, there is no other way.

He had to take on the human flesh of man .
Huge difference between the first adam and the second .
as i am sure you do agree .
God created the first adam
the second adam had created all that is and was
the very Word of GOD which GOD BE HIS word
took on human flesh . For as man and all the way back to the first man adam , ALL have been tempted and all have failed
to overcome . THE second adam , WHO BE THE LORD from heaven
HE NEVER FAILED , but FULLFILLED all righteousness .
But it didnt end there . HE Too took our punishments for OUR sins , NOT HIS for HE NEVER SINNED ,
so as to reconcile us back to GOD by his OWN self .
That all who do beleive in HIM shall not perish but have everlasting life .
But it did not end there
HE ROSE AGAIN for our justification . That we , by HIS SPIRIT , can walk in newness of life
I really like what one once wrote many years ago . some speculate this was written as early as one thousand AD
and it says , HE came to die on a cross made of wood and yet HAD made the very hill on which it stood .

 

[amigo de christo]

yes, to be man's way back to the Father God, Christ had to be both God and Man together. Christ is the only way back to the Father, there is no other way.

Lets add a question to the end of this LOVELY statement of truth you just left us .
CHRIST IS the ONLY WAY back to teh Father , THERE IS NO other way .
BELIEVEST THOU THIS .
now that is a dire important question . cause if one believeth not , THEY GOT NO WAY BACK and their end is perditoin .
To reject CHRIST is to REJECT GOD .
And ol satan knows that . its why he has went about and taken so many houses captive
within even christendom to a lie . To a concept that has made correction , preaching of the gospel ,
persauding men , into something that appears non loving . BUT SATAN LIES
FOR IT IS LOVE to warn the blind , to warn the lost , to warn even church members in sin .
Satan is a liar and he knows how to deceive .
WE DONT HEED his voice . Lambs heed CHRIST JESUS and HIS VOICE BE TRUTH .

 

[Scott Downey]

He had to take on the human flesh of man .
Huge difference between the first adam and the second .
as i am sure you do agree .
God created the first adam
the second adam had created all that is and was
the very Word of GOD which GOD BE HIS word
took on human flesh . For as man and all the way back to the first man adam , ALL have been tempted and all have failed
to overcome . THE second adam , WHO BE THE LORD from heaven
HE NEVER FAILED , but FULLFILLED all righteousness .
But it didnt end there . HE Too took our punishments for OUR sins , NOT HIS for HE NEVER SINNED ,
so as to reconcile us back to GOD by his OWN self .
That all who do beleive in HIM shall not perish but have everlasting life .
But it did not end there
HE ROSE AGAIN for our justification . That we , by HIS SPIRIT , can walk in newness of life
I really like what one once wrote many years ago . some speculate this was written as early as one thousand AD
and it says , HE came to die on a cross made of wood and yet HAD made the very hill on which it stood .

God the Father could only accept the sacrifice of His Son for the sins of men, nothing else was sufficient.
Not even a perfect man was acceptable, It had to be His one and only Son. And there never was a perfect sinless man yet, except for Christ.
All other men had sins, which God forgave by a sacrifice of blood (death for sins committed), but those sacrifices had to be continually performed as they did not take away sin forever.

Christ’s Death Perfects the Sanctified​

11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God,
13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool.

Hebrews 10
1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once [a]purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

Christ’s Death Fulfills God’s Will​

5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, [b]O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Christ’s Death Perfects the Sanctified​

11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being [d]sanctified.

15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”

17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

18 Now where there is [e]remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

 

[amigo de christo]

God the Father could only accept the sacrifice of His Son for the sins of men, nothing else was sufficient.
Not even a perfect man was acceptable, It had to be His one and only Son. And there never was a perfect sinless man yet, except for Christ.
All other men had sins, which God forgave by a sacrifice of blood (death for sins committed), but those sacrifices had to be continually performed as they did not take away sin forever.

Christ’s Death Perfects the Sanctified​

11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God,
13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool.

Hebrews 10
1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once [a]purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

Christ’s Death Fulfills God’s Will​

5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, [b]O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Christ’s Death Perfects the Sanctified​

11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being [d]sanctified.

15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”

17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

18 Now where there is [e]remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

You know the difference between the saved and the unsaved . One group BELEIVES , the other dont .
Lets never forget the dire need to BELEIVE and to remind all of the dire need to beleive .
In todays generation the BELIEVE in CHRIST as a necessity has been rather replaced with a concept
oh it matters not , just do some good . THAT MINDSET IS A DEATH sentence wrapped up to sound loving but its death .

 

[Ritajanice]

Well of course Rita Jesus was conceived by God, who is the source of divinity, agreed! Yes, a divine birth indeed. Although this divinity of the Father does not 'leak over' into his son's human spirit because the Father is the divine one. That maybe is the area that is bothering you?

Doesn’t bother me Brother, I just love to question, that is all, sorry if I come across to strong.

I will ask the Spirit to help me tone it down..I guess it’s because we are so passionate about what we believe.

You do know that God the Father is the Father of all spirits he creates, right, and these spirits are not God divine clones either...

Yes, everyone’s spirit comes from God, Amen!

 

[APAK]

Disagree, Jesus was Born Of God’s Spirit, therefore in direct contact with his Father’s Spirit.

Jesus was conceived by Gods Living Spirit?..was he not?

Matthew 1:18-25 New Living Translation (NLT) His mother, Mary, was engaged to be married to Joseph. But before the marriage took place, while she was still a virgin, she became pregnant through the power of the Holy Spirit.

A Born Again is a partaker Of the divine nature, now please, here is you talking about, what you told me not to talk about.

This discussion is two ways, you do not control me nor the discussion..I only have one chief..the Holy Spirit, he is my only guide.

Copy that Rita...I did very much like, and in agreement with your previous post of # 1992. And this reply to my post, stunningly is very drastically different for some reason.....And I do not disagree with your first two comments of this post....and then you went off track again to the rebirth subject again that has its place, although my here IMO.....later Sister

 

[Scott Downey]

You know the difference between the saved and the unsaved . One group BELEIVES , the other dont .
Lets never forget the dire need to BELEIVE and to remind all of the dire need to beleive .
In todays generation the BELIEVE in CHRIST as a necessity has been rather replaced with a concept
oh it matters not , just do some good . THAT MINDSET IS A DEATH sentence wrapped up to sound loving but its death .

Acts 10 and the Centurian who did many good works, God sent to him Peter to tell him the way of salvation

43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.

4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.

5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:

6 He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.

7 And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually;

8 And when he had declared all these things unto them, he sent them to Joppa.

9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

18 And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.

19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

21 Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?

22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

23 Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.

24 And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends.

25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.

28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

29 Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me?

30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,

31 And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.

32 Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.

33 Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)

37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

 

[Ritajanice]

Copy that Rita...I did very much like, and in agreement with your previous post of # 1992. And this reply to my post, stunningly is very drastically different for some reason.....And I do not disagree with your first two comments of this post....and then you went off track again to the rebirth subject again that has its place, although my here IMO.....later Sister

We are more or less on the same track, Brother, ...I think it’s a fascinating subject, but like I explained, how could Jesus be fully God, when he was born to a human, I know you agree with that.

Sorry, that I came on to strong, God showed me that, many thanks for the reminder...or maybe that should read, thank you for the reminder through @APAK ...I’m much more aware than I used to be..Praise God.

 

[amigo de christo]

Doesn’t bother me Brother, I just love to question, that is all, sorry if I come across to strong.

I will ask the Spirit to help me tone it down..I guess it’s because we are so passionate about what we believe.

Yes, everyone’s spirit comes from God, Amen!

Let us expound upon this everyones spirit cometh from GOD .
Tis true every one born has a spirit or a soul
And of course it was OF GOD .
But it aint the HOLY SPIRIT .
The key difference between adam and all of humanity , verses the second adam
is not the flesh but rather THE SECOND ADAM HIS SPIRIT WAS THE HOLY .
From the moment His time in the womb began
WAS UNLIKE ANY other ever born or even adam who was taken of the dirt .
WHO WAS WITIHIN the womb of mary HAD CREATED ALL that was and is
and was coming into the WORLD to save man who cannot save themselves .
GOD created all things sister .
Jesus created all things sister .
That very WORD became flesh and dwelt amongst men . The first adam and all of man has failed
BUT HE PREVAILED . WOE unto all who reject HIM as the CHRIST
for they do the work of anti christ . course i aint saying you do that , ,just saying this
to remind us all that the BELIEVE IN HIM phrase IS SUMTHING THE CHURCH BETTER GET BUSY Preaching again .

 

[amigo de christo]

Acts 10 and the Centurian who did many good works, God sent to him Peter to tell him the way of salvation

43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.

4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.

5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:

6 He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.

7 And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually;

8 And when he had declared all these things unto them, he sent them to Joppa.

9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

18 And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.

19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

21 Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?

22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

23 Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.

24 And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends.

25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.

28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

29 Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me?

30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,

31 And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.

32 Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.

33 Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)

37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

WHAT A LOVELY REMINDER . you brought up a massive point about cornleious .
He actually did believe in THE TRUE GOD and HE sure did him many good works and alms .
EVEN HE had to hear the gospel and BELEIVE to be SAVED . See without FAITH IN CHRIST , WHOM GOD DID SEND
not even cornelious could be saved . Read acts eleven , the one following ten .
When the apostels were rebuking peter for entering into a gentile house .
WHAT did peter tell them . TO give that man words whereby HE could be SAVED . so
BELEIVE You me , BELEIVING IN JESUS THE CHRIST is a HUGE NECESITTY scott .
EVEN cornelious , good as those lovely works were that HE did , HAD TO BE SAVED
and how was he saved , BY THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL and HE BELEIVED .

 

[APAK]

We are more or less on the same track, Brother, ...I think it’s a fascinating subject, but like I explained, how could Jesus be fully God, when he was born to a human, I know you agree with that.

Sorry, that I came on to strong, God showed me that, many thanks for the reminder...or maybe that should read, thank you for the reminder through @APAK ...I’m much more aware than I used to be..Praise God.

You are loved dear...don't you ever forget that, the Father and our lord Jesus loves you dearly