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No, just trinitarians. They took 1 John 5:7 and tried to make it say something God’s words did not say. This explains s why more recent translations render it differently, meaning correctly, meaning in a way that does not support the trinity.
No. I'm saying that Scripture consists of what the original authors originally wrote, and with no original manuscripts still on the planet and only copies of copies of copies of copies of original manuscripts, the earliest of which do not agree with each other, we need to be cautious in declaring what the Apostle John actually wrote. Metzger is correct about this.
He absolutely WAS led by the Holy Spirit to write what he wrote! That's not in dispute. The question is, WHAT did he actually write in 1 John 5:7? We don't know, because many of the earliest extant versions of the Greek omit the language you quoted.
That isn't in the bible.......I just said it as a "by the same token" kind of thing. Except that it is interesting where it says "if ye have not the Son, ye have not the Father either."
I do not understand what you are saying here B, truly. Just because John used the same or root Greek word for coming into existence, in a more person relational way, and he had to to get his words across as he spoke often of the Father and Son relationship. What other word or words could he have used for birthing him for example?
It's not just ME who doesn't know. Take a look at the earliest Greek codicies, and you'll see the discrepancy.
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I’m not sure how many times I need to answer the question for you to be satisfied. Jesus is shown in Scripture praying more than once.
Trinitarians have grubby hands and they like to tamper with the text - hand in the cookie jar!
The Bible is much more nuanced than you may have been taught. If you are a fundamentalist who believes that every word is directly inspired, you may find yourself disappointed.
Discussion with whom is pointless? With JWs? I haven't found that to be true.Doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses are established by the Governing Body,[1][2] and the denomination does not tolerate dissent over doctrines and practices.[3][4][5] Members who continue to openly disagree with the movement's teachings after initial warnings may be expelled and shunned.[6][7][8] Witness publications strongly discourage followers from questioning doctrine and counsel received from the Governing Body, reasoning that it is to be trusted as part of "God's organization".[5][9][10][11] They also warn members to "avoid independent thinking", claiming such thinking "was introduced by Satan the Devil"[12][13] and would "cause division".[14] Those who openly disagree with official teachings are condemned as "apostates" who are "mentally diseased".[15][16][17]
Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses - Wikipedia
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Meaning, JW's can't help, thus discussion is pointless.
This is true, Pro.Doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses are established by the Governing Body,[1][2] and the denomination does not tolerate dissent over doctrines and practices.[3][4][5] Members who continue to openly disagree with the movement's teachings after initial warnings may be expelled and shunned.[6][7][8] Witness publications strongly discourage followers from questioning doctrine and counsel received from the Governing Body, reasoning that it is to be trusted as part of "God's organization".[5][9][10][11] They also warn members to "avoid independent thinking", claiming such thinking "was introduced by Satan the Devil"[12][13] and would "cause division".[14] Those who openly disagree with official teachings are condemned as "apostates" who are "mentally diseased".[15][16][17]
Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses - Wikipedia
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Meaning, JW's can't help, thus discussion is pointless.
I don't like their interpration of the 144,000 which tends to promote a "works based" religion. Reminds me a little of the sons of Zebedee.Doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses are established by the Governing Body,[1][2] and the denomination does not tolerate dissent over doctrines and practices.[3][4][5] Members who continue to openly disagree with the movement's teachings after initial warnings may be expelled and shunned.[6][7][8] Witness publications strongly discourage followers from questioning doctrine and counsel received from the Governing Body, reasoning that it is to be trusted as part of "God's organization".[5][9][10][11] They also warn members to "avoid independent thinking", claiming such thinking "was introduced by Satan the Devil"[12][13] and would "cause division".[14] Those who openly disagree with official teachings are condemned as "apostates" who are "mentally diseased".[15][16][17]
Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses - Wikipedia
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Meaning, JW's can't help, thus discussion is pointless.
