I don't care if there is no debates between creationists or evolutionists. Their debates if they had them mean nothing to me.
I have seen that video before.
My mind will not change about evolution.
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I don't care if there is no debates between creationists or evolutionists. Their debates if they had them mean nothing to me.
I have seen that video before.
My mind will not change about evolution.
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What video? The link takes you to a playlist of eight videos, not a single video. Be honest, you didn't bother to click on the link. That's fine. My watchman's hands will not be stained with any evolutionist's blood.
thelord's_pearl
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definitely Creation. I can feel God on the inside telling me he exists, to follow Him
When I clicked into it I saw a video at the top that I had seen before. So, I stopped looking.
Your hands wouldn't be stained with my blood anyway as this is not a salvation issue. I don't need anyone watching out for me. My relationship with God is fine and I believe in evolution.
Have a great night!
Space_Karen
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My approach is to be as accurate and fair as I can be on topics like this one, to avoid being fooled by the father of lies.
"The truth shall set you free." While lies and inaccuracy on the flipside may form chains that keep us bound and imprisoned.
"The truth shall set you free." While lies and inaccuracy on the flipside may form chains that keep us bound and imprisoned.
Taken
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In brief; 5 min read.
The general conversation regarding “evolution”, IS, well known to be in the context, of “the theory of evolution”, according TO: what the theory of evolution “means”, ie. In brief:
“That all things came from a mysterious single CELL”.
The Word of God itself reveals Different “KINDS” of things come “FROM”
SEEDS.
* God Provided the SEEDS.
* SEEDS are designed to “reproduce” (through fertilization via male and female seeds) it’s SAME KIND of thing.
* God creates the BODY’S of “KINDS” of things.
* The created “BODY’S” have a make-up of “CELLS”.
* The “CELLS” within a “BODY” are essential for that BODY’S “well-being, briefly; health-wise, maintaining the functioning strength and nutrients FOR THAT BODY.”
Body’s of spirits, plants, animals, (celestial and terrestrial)...ALL/EACH are “KINDS” of things...with their OWN BODY’S (God creates)...with their OWN (male/female) SEEDS “made” to procreate their SAME “KIND” of thing.
In short...
Cells are IN Created BODY’S.
The “theory of evolution” Begins with A SINGLE CELL, “supposedly off-springing multiple KINDS of things”. (Backward...Cart before horse.)
Scripturally...
God FORMS (creates) every BODY.
God MAKES (gives) every BODY it’s own SEEDS.
CELLS are a part of the makeup of a formed Body, designed to maintain the healthy (nutritional) functions of that BODY.
Brief reference;
Jeremiah 1:
[2] To whom the word of the LORD came in the days of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, in the thirteenth year of his reign.
[3] It came also in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the end of the eleventh year of Zedekiah the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the carrying away of Jerusalem captive in the fifth month.
[4] Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
[5] Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
1 Cor 15:
[38] But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
Individual KINDS of things “evolve” within it’s own body.
(Ie stronger, weaker, healthy, sick, wisdom, ignorance, etc.)
Individual BORN/ (created) KINDS of things “do not” become “different” KINDS of things.
I hardly think a single human husband or wife, whereby the wife was “pregnant”....EVER were “expecting”, anticipating or wondering IF, the female would BIRTH, a cloven hoof, cud chewing, Kind of thing, a smooth hoofed Kind of thing, an insect Kind of thing, a celestial Kind of thing or a plant Kind of thing.
Individual natural BORN/ (created FROM SEEDS) KINDS of things “do not” become “different” KINDS of things....
SEEDS (in brief) are “interesting” things.
The “created SEED” itself “must” essentially DIE, to EFFECT the process of “REPRODUCING” its SAME KIND OF THING.
Meaning....a sperm that fertilizes a female ovum...that single sperm effectively can do nothing more, useless. If any sperm do not fertilize an ovum, they die and are are shed as waste.
Meaning....a seed of a plant, inside it’s shell does nothing, until the inner seed sheds the shell and that seed is positioned in a dirt source, adequate water, adequate sun light....to gain nutrients to “grow” and form a “plant kind of thing”....or rot, die, return to dust.
Gods “SPIRITUAL” SEED is UNIQUE.
Gods Spiritual SEED NEVER dies.
Gods Spiritual SEED is offered TO all of “MAN-KIND” of things.
* For a “MAN-KIND” of thing TO “receive” Gods Spiritual SEED...that man-kind of thing MUST Willingly, Freely, Heartfully Confess BELIEF IN the Lord God and GIVE his OWN BODY unto DEATH....(BY VOW or BY VOW and PHYSICAL Death).
* THEN, shall the Lord God “GIVE TO THAT individual”...Gods own everlasting ETERNAL SEED...which effects that individual’s Spiritual Birth....once and forever.
Conclusion;
SEEDS <—> first, thereafter God FORMS the natural Body’s WITH its own natural seeds and cells.
Glory to God,
Taken
@Phoneman777
In brief; 5 min read.
The general conversation regarding “evolution”, IS, well known to be in the context, of “the theory of evolution”, according TO: what the theory of evolution “means”, ie. In brief:
“That all things came from a mysterious single CELL”.
The Word of God itself reveals Different “KINDS” of things come “FROM”
SEEDS.
* God Provided the SEEDS.
* SEEDS are designed to “reproduce” (through fertilization via male and female seeds) it’s SAME KIND of thing.
* God creates the BODY’S of “KINDS” of things.
* The created “BODY’S” have a make-up of “CELLS”.
* The “CELLS” within a “BODY” are essential for that BODY’S “well-being, briefly; health-wise, maintaining the functioning strength and nutrients FOR THAT BODY.”
Body’s of spirits, plants, animals, (celestial and terrestrial)...ALL/EACH are “KINDS” of things...with their OWN BODY’S (God creates)...with their OWN (male/female) SEEDS “made” to procreate their SAME “KIND” of thing.
In short...
Cells are IN Created BODY’S.
The “theory of evolution” Begins with A SINGLE CELL, “supposedly off-springing multiple KINDS of things”. (Backward...Cart before horse.)
Scripturally...
God FORMS (creates) every BODY.
God MAKES (gives) every BODY it’s own SEEDS.
CELLS are a part of the makeup of a formed Body, designed to maintain the healthy (nutritional) functions of that BODY.
Brief reference;
Jeremiah 1:
[2] To whom the word of the LORD came in the days of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, in the thirteenth year of his reign.
[3] It came also in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the end of the eleventh year of Zedekiah the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the carrying away of Jerusalem captive in the fifth month.
[4] Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
[5] Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
1 Cor 15:
[38] But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
Individual KINDS of things “evolve” within it’s own body.
(Ie stronger, weaker, healthy, sick, wisdom, ignorance, etc.)
Individual BORN/ (created) KINDS of things “do not” become “different” KINDS of things.
I hardly think a single human husband or wife, whereby the wife was “pregnant”....EVER were “expecting”, anticipating or wondering IF, the female would BIRTH, a cloven hoof, cud chewing, Kind of thing, a smooth hoofed Kind of thing, an insect Kind of thing, a celestial Kind of thing or a plant Kind of thing.
Individual natural BORN/ (created FROM SEEDS) KINDS of things “do not” become “different” KINDS of things....
SEEDS (in brief) are “interesting” things.
The “created SEED” itself “must” essentially DIE, to EFFECT the process of “REPRODUCING” its SAME KIND OF THING.
Meaning....a sperm that fertilizes a female ovum...that single sperm effectively can do nothing more, useless. If any sperm do not fertilize an ovum, they die and are are shed as waste.
Meaning....a seed of a plant, inside it’s shell does nothing, until the inner seed sheds the shell and that seed is positioned in a dirt source, adequate water, adequate sun light....to gain nutrients to “grow” and form a “plant kind of thing”....or rot, die, return to dust.
Gods “SPIRITUAL” SEED is UNIQUE.
Gods Spiritual SEED NEVER dies.
Gods Spiritual SEED is offered TO all of “MAN-KIND” of things.
* For a “MAN-KIND” of thing TO “receive” Gods Spiritual SEED...that man-kind of thing MUST Willingly, Freely, Heartfully Confess BELIEF IN the Lord God and GIVE his OWN BODY unto DEATH....(BY VOW or BY VOW and PHYSICAL Death).
* THEN, shall the Lord God “GIVE TO THAT individual”...Gods own everlasting ETERNAL SEED...which effects that individual’s Spiritual Birth....once and forever.
Conclusion;
SEEDS <—> first, thereafter God FORMS the natural Body’s WITH its own natural seeds and cells.
Glory to God,
Taken
Hebrews 4:3-5
New King James Version
3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
The works of God were all finished in 6 days, and the 7th day is when God rested from ALL HIS WORKS.
Not only does the NC reaffirm the 6 days of creation, but we also have the 7th day as a day of rest from work for man, therefore a double confirmation.
Mark 2:27
And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
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Hebrews 4
5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if [b]Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if [b]Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
Evolution by definition includes vast swaths of time to accomplish changes.
There is no rest for the wicked. But our righteous God rested after 6 days from ALL His work.
If evolution was true, then God never got to rest and that is very contrary to what God says He did.
There is no rest for the wicked. But our righteous God rested after 6 days from ALL His work.
If evolution was true, then God never got to rest and that is very contrary to what God says He did.
The above is the silliest thing that I ever heard.
God could rest with evolution. He started things and allowed evolution to do the rest. There was nothing more needed once he started it.
Genesis 1 is not the silliest thing I have ever heard. But apparently the history of creation is silly to you
It goes thru all 6 days of creation in Genesis 1 and in Genesis 2 God rests and He blesses the 7th day.
1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished.
2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.
3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
4 This is the [a]history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens
I knew this is where you were going to go with that.
Your statement is the silliest thing that I have ever heard, not Gen 1.
This is the silliest thing that I ever heard: "
Evolution by definition includes vast swaths of time to accomplish changes.
There is no rest for the wicked. But our righteous God rested after 6 days from ALL His work.
If evolution was true, then God never got to rest and that is very contrary to what God says He did."
With evolution, God can indeed rest. He doesn't need to do anything at all. That is why your comment is silly.
Jim B
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Apples and oranges. Evolutionism and creationism are not mutually exclusive if you understand them.
One is the spiritual description of the creation of the world, including the land, light, plants and animals, and their importance and hierarchy. The other is the development of organisms and species over time.
One is the spiritual description of the creation of the world, including the land, light, plants and animals, and their importance and hierarchy. The other is the development of organisms and species over time.
First Day, the light God made, this was not the light of the sun, moon or stars.
3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. [b]So the evening and the morning were the first day.
Second Day Heaven then earth divided by a firmament
6 Then God said, “Let there be a [c]firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
Third Day plants before the sun was created
11 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.
Fourth Day the stars
14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great [d]lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Fifth Day Birds and sea creatures
20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living [e]creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the [f]firmament of the heavens.” 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Sixth Day the land creatures, and man as a male and a female, one pair.
24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over [g]all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that [h]moves on the earth.”
29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is [i]life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so. 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. [b]So the evening and the morning were the first day.
Second Day Heaven then earth divided by a firmament
6 Then God said, “Let there be a [c]firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
Third Day plants before the sun was created
11 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.
Fourth Day the stars
14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great [d]lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Fifth Day Birds and sea creatures
20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living [e]creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the [f]firmament of the heavens.” 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Sixth Day the land creatures, and man as a male and a female, one pair.
24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over [g]all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that [h]moves on the earth.”
29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is [i]life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so. 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
That phrase ' and all that is in them', implies all the animals were completed at that time.
There was no evolution to bring about new creatures.
Scripture does not say and all that was in them at that time, it says and all that is in them, meaning contemporary to the time of the people Israel, not some millions of years ago. Evolutionists say creatures evolved-changed dramatically into entirely different things over very long periods of millions of years when there was no man.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
There was no evolution to bring about new creatures.
Scripture does not say and all that was in them at that time, it says and all that is in them, meaning contemporary to the time of the people Israel, not some millions of years ago. Evolutionists say creatures evolved-changed dramatically into entirely different things over very long periods of millions of years when there was no man.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Genesis 1 and modern scientific theory will never be reconciled, as God created the trees, fields of all green plants on the earth, God made the day before God makes the sun. Plants take sunlight to survive, otherwise they die quickly.
Evolution as it stands today is a modernist concept, a theory. Any Christian evolutionist must logically say Genesis 1 is a silly story as it is not in agreement with the theory of evolution and never can be.
Evolution as it stands today is a modernist concept, a theory. Any Christian evolutionist must logically say Genesis 1 is a silly story as it is not in agreement with the theory of evolution and never can be.
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