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Do you believe in Evolution or Creation?


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Naomanos

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That phrase ' and all that is in them', implies all the animals were completed at that time.
There was no evolution to bring about new creatures.

Scripture does not say and all that was in them at that time, it says and all that is in them, meaning contemporary to the time of the people Israel, not some millions of years ago. Evolutionists say creatures evolved-changed dramatically into entirely different things over very long periods of millions of years when there was no man.

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

That is your understanding. Not ours.

If the concept of evolution was mentioned to the people of that time, they would not understand that at all. So it was told to them in a way that they would understand for their time period.

Again I will say, it is not a salvation issue. Let those believe how they want to believe and as long as they believe in the risen Christ and that He died for our sins, then there is no issue. If they don't, address that.
 
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Genesis 1 and modern scientific theory will never be reconciled, as God created the trees, fields of all green plants on the earth, God made the day before God makes the sun. Plants take sunlight to survive, otherwise they die quickly.

Says you, we see that it has been reconciled and that is okay.
 

Scott Downey

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Says you, we see that it has been reconciled and that is okay.
You are illogically inconsistent.
And I expect will never admit that on your own, unless God changes your mind.


This one is long to read, maybe some people will. People who distort scripture, end up eventually distorting many more scriptures, if they live long enough.
 

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I believe that if something is not witnessed then it does not exist.

There was definitely a creation of the universe, which God witnessed, which is far beyond our comprehension and above all matter. The spiritual birth of the universe is incomprehensible to us.
 

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You are illogically inconsistent.

If you say so. I don't take what random people who I don't know and who don't me say to heart. What's funny is that those who know me well, know me as one of the most logical people anyone can meet.

Your links are opinions from other people who believe as you do. Evolution doesn't lessen the authority of scripture or God. Which is my opinion. People will agree with it or not. It doesn't matter one way or the other to me if they do agree with my opinion.

This is not a salvation issue. Has never been a salvation issue. I still believe and put faith in the risen Christ and his sacrifice for my sins. That is really what should matter in any of these discussions.
 

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Christ Brings Division​

34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set[j] a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’

There is no peace between right and wrong, good or evil. Christ brings a sword. People divide over the scripture. You cannot expect any full agreement even among Christians. The division is of God to show to the spectators- angels and eventually all mankind who is true and of God and who is not and is wrong. Every word we say God will judge, and everything we teach.

1 Corinthian 11
18 For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it.
19 For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be [b]recognized among you.

This is a truth that some people ignore. But it is played out daily in every person's life.
 

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Christ Brings Division​

34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set[j] a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’

There is no peace between right and wrong, good or evil. Christ brings a sword. People divide over the scripture. You cannot expect any full agreement even among Christians. The division is of God to show to the spectators- angels and eventually all mankind who is true and of God and who is not and is wrong. Every word we say God will judge, and everything we teach.

1 Corinthian 11
18 For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it.
19 For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be [b]recognized among you.

This is a truth that some people ignore. But it is played out daily in every person's life.

Again, if you say so.
 

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Genesis 1 and modern scientific theory will never be reconciled, as God created the trees, fields of all green plants on the earth, God made the day before God makes the sun. Plants take sunlight to survive, otherwise they die quickly.

Evolution as it stands today is a modernist concept, a theory. Any Christian evolutionist must logically say Genesis 1 is a silly story as it is not in agreement with the theory of evolution and never can be.
Genesis, or the biblical articulation of creation and science were reconciled a little over a hundred years ago.
 

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Christ Brings Division​

34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set[j] a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’

There is no peace between right and wrong, good or evil. Christ brings a sword. People divide over the scripture. You cannot expect any full agreement even among Christians. The division is of God to show to the spectators- angels and eventually all mankind who is true and of God and who is not and is wrong. Every word we say God will judge, and everything we teach.

1 Corinthian 11
18 For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it.
19 For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be [b]recognized among you.

This is a truth that some people ignore. But it is played out daily in every person's life.
Actually, the sword reveals to all fathers, sons, daughters, mothers, in-laws and enemies precisely that there are no spectators.
 

Scott Downey

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Actually, the sword reveals to all fathers, sons, daughters, mothers, in-laws and enemies precisely that there are no spectators.
Those in heaven are the witnesses

Did you know that everything you say and do is written down in books, meaning it is recorded in heaven.
As are names written or not written in the book of life. The things you say you will be judged for. All Christians will come before the seat of Christ to be judged for the things done in the body whether good or bad.

Matthew 12:35-37​

New King James Version​

35 A good man out of the good treasure [a]of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”


Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
 
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Hebrews 12
1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus, the [a]author and [b]finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

You can decide for yourself who is in the cloud of witnesses that surround us.
 
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Eyes that see all things. Nothing is hidden from them. You are being watched all the time.
Some creatures are covered in eyes.
And these eyes of God see all things everywhere at once.

Hebrews 4:13
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

Revelation 4:6
Before the throne there was a sea of glass, like crystal. And in the midst of the throne, and around the throne, were four living creatures full of eyes in front and in back.

Revelation 4:8
The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying: “Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, Who was and is and is to come!”
 
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Those in heaven are the witnesses
If there were a those in heaven, it wouldn’t be heavenly at all.

Did you know that everything you say and do is written down in books, meaning it is recorded in heaven.
As are names written or not written in the book of life. The things you say you will be judged for. All Christians will come before the seat of Christ to be judged for the things done in the body whether good or bad.
In heaven there are neither things nor time.
The finite mind cannot be where it has not yet been.
 
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God has set angels to watch over the things men do and to also carry out His judgements.
They are called watchers, and they have eyes to watch over the earth and roam over it to record everything that is done.

Daniel 4
16 Let his heart be changed from that of a man,
Let him be given the heart of a beast,
And let seven times[a] pass over him.
17 ‘This decision is by the decree of the watchers,
And the sentence by the word of the holy ones,

In order that the living may know
That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men,
Gives it to whomever He will,
And sets over it the lowest of men.’

Zechariah 1
7 On the twenty-fourth day of the eleventh month, which is the month Shebat, in the second year of Darius, the word of the Lord came to Zechariah the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet: 8 I saw by night, and behold, a man riding on a red horse, and it stood among the myrtle trees in the hollow; and behind him were horses: red, sorrel, and white. 9 Then I said, “My lord, what are these?” So the angel who talked with me said to me, “I will show you what they are.

10 And the man who stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, “These are the ones whom the Lord has sent to walk to and fro throughout the earth.”

11 So they answered the Angel of the Lord, who stood among the myrtle trees, and said, “We have walked to and fro throughout the earth, and behold, all the earth is [a]resting quietly.”

Ezekiel 9, Angels who have charge over the city and an angel whose job is to mark those whom God will show mercy, they will be spared this judgement.

Then He called out in my hearing with a loud voice, saying, “Let those who have charge over the city draw near, each with a [a]deadly weapon in his hand.” 2 And suddenly six men came from the direction of the upper gate, which faces north, each with his [b]battle-ax in his hand. One man among them was clothed with linen and had a writer’s inkhorn [c]at his side. They went in and stood beside the bronze altar.


3 Now the glory of the God of Israel had gone up from the cherub, where it had been, to the threshold of the [d]temple. And He called to the man clothed with linen, who had the writer’s inkhorn at his side; 4 and the Lord said to him, “Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it.”

5 To the others He said in my [e]hearing, “Go after him through the city and kill;[f] do not let your eye spare, nor have any pity. 6 Utterly[g] slay old and young men, maidens and little children and women; but do not come near anyone on whom is the mark; and begin at My sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were before the [h]temple. 7 Then He said to them, “Defile the [i]temple, and fill the courts with the slain. Go out!” And they went out and killed in the city.

8 So it was, that while they were killing them, I was left alone; and I fell on my face and cried out, and said, “Ah, Lord God! Will You destroy all the remnant of Israel in pouring out Your fury on Jerusalem?”

9 Then He said to me, “The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceedingly great, and the land is full of bloodshed, and the city full of perversity; for they say, ‘The Lord has forsaken the land, and the Lord does not see!’ 10 And as for Me also, My eye will neither spare, nor will I have pity, but I will recompense their deeds on their own head.”

11 Just then, the man clothed with linen, who had the inkhorn at his side, reported back and said, “I have done as You commanded me.”
 

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If there were a those in heaven, it wouldn’t be heavenly at all.


In heaven there are neither things nor time.
The finite mind cannot be where it has not yet been.
There are angels and people in heaven right now.
And there are heavenly angels watching over the earth right now also.
They are under orders; they are also part of the host of Heaven.
Everyone has a purpose and is doing something that Lord wants done. Heaven earth and hell are not abstract places where God lets things just happen, the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. While God divided by a firmament the heaven from the earth at creation, they are contemporaneous.
Heaven does not change over time, but things down here do change. Heaven is above, earth is below. And below the earth is hell.

Psalm 24
1 The earth is the Lord’s, and all its fullness,
The world and those who dwell therein.
2 For He has founded it upon the seas,
And established it upon the [a]waters.
3 Who may ascend into the hill of the Lord?
Or who may stand in His holy place?
4 He who has clean hands and a pure heart,
Who has not lifted up his soul to an idol,
Nor sworn deceitfully.
5 He shall receive blessing from the Lord,
And righteousness from the God of his salvation.
6 This is Jacob, the generation of those who seek Him,
Who seek Your face. Selah
7 Lift up your heads, O you gates!
And be lifted up, you everlasting doors!
And the King of glory shall come in.
8 Who is this King of glory?
The Lord strong and mighty,
The Lord mighty in battle.
9 Lift up your heads, O you gates!
Lift up, you everlasting doors!
And the King of glory shall come in.
10 Who is this King of glory?
The Lord of hosts,
He is the King of glory. Selah
 

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There are angels and people in heaven right now.
And there are heavenly angels watching over the earth right now also.
They are under orders; they are also part of the host of Heaven.
Everyone has a purpose and is doing something that Lord wants done. Heaven earth and hell are not abstract places where God lets things just happen, the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. While God divided by a firmament the heaven from the earth at creation, they are contemporaneous.
Heaven does not change over time, but things down here do change. Heaven is above, earth is below. And below the earth is hell.
What is infinite and unconditional neither lets, wants or possesses, and Is infinitely without purpose.
 

Scott Downey

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What is infinite and unconditional neither lets, wants or possesses, and Is infinitely without purpose.
Your saying God is impersonal, cares nothing for anything, and is purposeless. God neither loves nor hates nor does God even have a reason to punish sin.
 

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The above is the silliest thing that I ever heard.

God could rest with evolution. He started things and allowed evolution to do the rest. There was nothing more needed once he started it.
God and evolution are incompatible. Stop trying to marry truth with lies.
 
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