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Where did Earth's water come from?
The origin of Earth’s water is an open and controversial question.
World says earth then water
God says water then earth.
This is contrary to Genesis 1, where water was the first thing mentioned. Which the apostle Peter also said.
Earth was established upon the waters, world says the opposite, that water was established on the earth.
You will often find the world is in complete opposition of what God said in scripture.
Psalm 24
1 The earth is the Lord’s, and all its fullness,
The world and those who dwell therein.
2 For He has founded it upon the seas,
And established it upon the [a]waters.
Psalm 136
1 Oh, give thanks to the Lord, for He is good!
For His mercy endures forever.
2 Oh, give thanks to the God of gods!
For His mercy endures forever.
3 Oh, give thanks to the Lord of lords!
For His mercy endures forever:
4 To Him who alone does great wonders,
For His mercy endures forever;
5 To Him who by wisdom made the heavens,
For His mercy endures forever;
6 To Him who laid out the earth above the waters,
For His mercy endures forever;
7 To Him who made great lights,
For His mercy endures forever—
8 The sun to rule by day,
For His mercy endures forever;
9 The moon and stars to rule by night,
For His mercy endures forever.
You will often find the world is in complete opposition of what God said in scripture.
Psalm 24
1 The earth is the Lord’s, and all its fullness,
The world and those who dwell therein.
2 For He has founded it upon the seas,
And established it upon the [a]waters.
Psalm 136
1 Oh, give thanks to the Lord, for He is good!
For His mercy endures forever.
2 Oh, give thanks to the God of gods!
For His mercy endures forever.
3 Oh, give thanks to the Lord of lords!
For His mercy endures forever:
4 To Him who alone does great wonders,
For His mercy endures forever;
5 To Him who by wisdom made the heavens,
For His mercy endures forever;
6 To Him who laid out the earth above the waters,
For His mercy endures forever;
7 To Him who made great lights,
For His mercy endures forever—
8 The sun to rule by day,
For His mercy endures forever;
9 The moon and stars to rule by night,
For His mercy endures forever.
God caused a firmament to divide the waters, there are waters below and waters above in Heaven
The first thing was there was no earth there was only the great deep of water. This is entirely at odds with evolution theory.
Genesis 1 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [a]was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Genesis 1
6 Then God said, “Let there be a [c]firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
Psalm 104
1 Bless the Lord, O my soul!
O Lord my God, You are very great:
You are clothed with honor and majesty,
2 Who cover Yourself with light as with a garment,
Who stretch out the heavens like a curtain.
3 He lays the beams of His upper chambers in the waters,
Who makes the clouds His chariot,
Who walks on the wings of the wind,
4 Who makes His angels spirits,
His [a]ministers a flame of fire.
Psalm 148:4
Praise Him, you heavens of heavens, And you waters above the heavens!
Proverbs 8, before the creation of the earth was the great deep of water.
22 “The Lord possessed me at the beginning of His way,
Before His works of old.
23 I have been established from everlasting,
From the beginning, before there was ever an earth.
24 When there were no depths I was brought forth,
When there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled,
Before the hills, I was brought forth;
26 While as yet He had not made the earth or the [e]fields,
Or the [f]primal dust of the world.
27 When He prepared the heavens, I was there,
When He drew a circle on the face of the deep, (here is the earth foundations laid)
28 When He established the clouds above,
When He strengthened the fountains of the deep,
29 When He assigned to the sea its limit,
So that the waters would not transgress His command,
When He marked out the foundations of the earth,
30 Then I was beside Him as [g]a master craftsman;
And I was daily His delight,
Rejoicing always before Him,
31 Rejoicing in His inhabited world,
And my delight was with the sons of men.
The first thing was there was no earth there was only the great deep of water. This is entirely at odds with evolution theory.
Genesis 1 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [a]was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Genesis 1
6 Then God said, “Let there be a [c]firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
Psalm 104
1 Bless the Lord, O my soul!
O Lord my God, You are very great:
You are clothed with honor and majesty,
2 Who cover Yourself with light as with a garment,
Who stretch out the heavens like a curtain.
3 He lays the beams of His upper chambers in the waters,
Who makes the clouds His chariot,
Who walks on the wings of the wind,
4 Who makes His angels spirits,
His [a]ministers a flame of fire.
Psalm 148:4
Praise Him, you heavens of heavens, And you waters above the heavens!
Proverbs 8, before the creation of the earth was the great deep of water.
22 “The Lord possessed me at the beginning of His way,
Before His works of old.
23 I have been established from everlasting,
From the beginning, before there was ever an earth.
24 When there were no depths I was brought forth,
When there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled,
Before the hills, I was brought forth;
26 While as yet He had not made the earth or the [e]fields,
Or the [f]primal dust of the world.
27 When He prepared the heavens, I was there,
When He drew a circle on the face of the deep, (here is the earth foundations laid)
28 When He established the clouds above,
When He strengthened the fountains of the deep,
29 When He assigned to the sea its limit,
So that the waters would not transgress His command,
When He marked out the foundations of the earth,
30 Then I was beside Him as [g]a master craftsman;
And I was daily His delight,
Rejoicing always before Him,
31 Rejoicing in His inhabited world,
And my delight was with the sons of men.
Still believing in evolution.
Heard all these things before, didn't change my mind then and will not now.
This is not a salvation issue, so the harping on having to believe the way you do is pointless.
Heard all these things before, didn't change my mind then and will not now.
This is not a salvation issue, so the harping on having to believe the way you do is pointless.
Creation is what a Creator does.
Evolutionary theory allows no need for a creator.
Who should follow such a foolish idea.
Wisdom
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
Foolishness
In the beginning, God evolved the heavens and the earth.
Many people do not consider scripture meaningfully authoritative, just flowery poetry, so much of it is useless.
They listen to the science of the world to find their truths.
People follow whatever seems right in their own eyes.
And as we are in the last days, that will just get truer over time. The bible is being steadily deprecated more and more, obsoleted because their science is so juxtaposed to scripture, they have turned aside to scientific theories of men, which are fables. Fact is once on that path, it just gets worse and worse, God's scripture becomes less relevant to your life, this is naturally progressively more evil. Evil does not occur in a vacuum, there are evil spirits roaming this world right now seeking more sway and influence over society, what happens is things eventually get bad enough that God brings another certain destruction, when He considers sin ripe for judgement, individually, in a nation, and the entire world. God is not mocked; what a man sows he reaps.
Yeah, this cannot be stopped, events like these are preordained, so is the destruction of the wicked.
2 Timothy 3, written about church people of the end times.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
Evolutionary theory allows no need for a creator.
Who should follow such a foolish idea.
Wisdom
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
Foolishness
In the beginning, God evolved the heavens and the earth.
Many people do not consider scripture meaningfully authoritative, just flowery poetry, so much of it is useless.
They listen to the science of the world to find their truths.
People follow whatever seems right in their own eyes.
And as we are in the last days, that will just get truer over time. The bible is being steadily deprecated more and more, obsoleted because their science is so juxtaposed to scripture, they have turned aside to scientific theories of men, which are fables. Fact is once on that path, it just gets worse and worse, God's scripture becomes less relevant to your life, this is naturally progressively more evil. Evil does not occur in a vacuum, there are evil spirits roaming this world right now seeking more sway and influence over society, what happens is things eventually get bad enough that God brings another certain destruction, when He considers sin ripe for judgement, individually, in a nation, and the entire world. God is not mocked; what a man sows he reaps.
Yeah, this cannot be stopped, events like these are preordained, so is the destruction of the wicked.
2 Timothy 3, written about church people of the end times.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
Rockerduck
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God created the earth and everything in it. God spoke it into existence and created man and woman.
dogs are still dogs, cats are still cats, fish are still fish. Enter Satan; now some men think they are women, and some women think they are men.
Satan has corrupted creation and altered the carnal mind to believe in evolution and to keep humans from turning to the LORD God Almighty, who was and is and is to come. (Revelation 4:8).
dogs are still dogs, cats are still cats, fish are still fish. Enter Satan; now some men think they are women, and some women think they are men.
Satan has corrupted creation and altered the carnal mind to believe in evolution and to keep humans from turning to the LORD God Almighty, who was and is and is to come. (Revelation 4:8).
And yet, that is not true in my own life.
Scripture is very relevant in my life and hasn't lessened one bit because I believe that evolution is true.
However you came out and said you like that democrats are being elected, and favor no abortion restrictions.
Rockerduck
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There is no explaining away the Cambrian Explosion. Evolutionists cannot deny it or explain it away. Darwin's theory folded under it.
The Fossils Still Say No: The Cambrian Explosion
The modern theory of evolution has its roots in Charles Darwin’s 1859 book On the Origin of Species, in which he proposed the fundamental conjecture that “all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form.”1 In the extrapolation of this...
Darwin’s Dilemma
In Darwin’s day the fossil record was much less documented than it is today, but one of its most embarrassing enigmas deeply troubled him—the Cambrian Explosion. Its glaring contradiction of evolutionary expectations still remains. In the Cambrian Explosion, numerous forms of highly complex animal life appeared suddenly in the rock record with absolutely no evolutionary precursors.
At the time Darwin’s Origin was published in the 1800s, the lowest-most fossiliferous rock layer where complex life first appears—what we now call the Cambrian—was then known as the Silurian. Concerning this explosion of life and the problem it posed for his theory, Darwin stated:
Consequently, if my theory be true, it is indisputable that before the lowest Silurian stratum was deposited, long periods elapsed, as long as, or probably far longer than, the whole interval from the Silurian age to the present day; and that during these vast, yet quite unknown, periods of time, the world swarmed with living creatures. To the question why we do not find records of these vast primordial periods, I can give no satisfactory answer….But the difficulty of understanding the absence of vast piles of fossiliferous strata, which on my theory no doubt were somewhere accumulated before the Silurian epoch, is very great.1
Sudden Appearance of Complex Animal Life
Evolutionists claim the Cambrian rock layers were first laid down about 540 million years ago. Highly complex multicellular creatures known as metazoans and a plethora of hard-shelled creatures suddenly appear in these sedimentary strata. Examples include clams, snails, horseshoe crabs, trilobites, sponges, brachiopods, worms, jellyfish, sea urchins, sea cucumbers, starfish, brittle stars, sea lilies, and other complex invertebrates.
Making this mystery even more evolution-defying is the fact that the rock layers below the Cambrian are devoid of invertebrates. While this was known in Darwin’s day, the mystery has never been resolved, and a 2018 study reported that a thorough re-analysis of the Precambrian Ediacaran sediments showed they are completely empty of evolutionary ancestors. The researchers stated, “The lack of euarthropod body fossils in the Ediacaran biota is mirrored in all other preservational regimes in the Precambrian, including BSTs [Burgess Shale type deposits], phosphatised microfossils, and chert deposits.”3 They also found that the ancestors to the Cambrian creatures were “strikingly absent” in the Ediacaran period.
I never said I favor no restrictions. There should be restrictions, but I do allow for choice because others should be able to make their own choice. My choice was never to push for any of my seven kids to be aborted because for me, abortion is a no go. For others, allow them to choose as I have. Does God want someone to make the right choice or to do something only because they are forced to?
I'm happy democrats are elected because they tend to fall more in line with the things that are important to me. I vote for Republicans when they also do things that are important to me.
Does either side do things I don't like, of course. However, Scripture is still relevant in my life. My belief in evolution doesn't change that.
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The greatest minds of evolution, including Darwin, are honest enough to admit there are massive problems with the theory:
The Fossils Still Say No: The Cambrian Explosion
The modern theory of evolution has its roots in Charles Darwin’s 1859 book On the Origin of Species, in which he proposed the fundamental conjecture that “all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form.”1 In the extrapolation of this...www.icr.org
Darwin’s Dilemma
In Darwin’s day the fossil record was much less documented than it is today, but one of its most embarrassing enigmas deeply troubled him—the Cambrian Explosion. Its glaring contradiction of evolutionary expectations still remains. In the Cambrian Explosion, numerous forms of highly complex animal life appeared suddenly in the rock record with absolutely no evolutionary precursors.
At the time Darwin’s Origin was published in the 1800s, the lowest-most fossiliferous rock layer where complex life first appears—what we now call the Cambrian—was then known as the Silurian. Concerning this explosion of life and the problem it posed for his theory, Darwin stated:
Consequently, if my theory be true, it is indisputable that before the lowest Silurian stratum was deposited, long periods elapsed, as long as, or probably far longer than, the whole interval from the Silurian age to the present day; and that during these vast, yet quite unknown, periods of time, the world swarmed with living creatures. To the question why we do not find records of these vast primordial periods, I can give no satisfactory answer….But the difficulty of understanding the absence of vast piles of fossiliferous strata, which on my theory no doubt were somewhere accumulated before the Silurian epoch, is very great.1
Sudden Appearance of Complex Animal Life
Evolutionists claim the Cambrian rock layers were first laid down about 540 million years ago. Highly complex multicellular creatures known as metazoans and a plethora of hard-shelled creatures suddenly appear in these sedimentary strata. Examples include clams, snails, horseshoe crabs, trilobites, sponges, brachiopods, worms, jellyfish, sea urchins, sea cucumbers, starfish, brittle stars, sea lilies, and other complex invertebrates.
Making this mystery even more evolution-defying is the fact that the rock layers below the Cambrian are devoid of invertebrates. While this was known in Darwin’s day, the mystery has never been resolved, and a 2018 study reported that a thorough re-analysis of the Precambrian Ediacaran sediments showed they are completely empty of evolutionary ancestors. The researchers stated, “The lack of euarthropod body fossils in the Ediacaran biota is mirrored in all other preservational regimes in the Precambrian, including BSTs [Burgess Shale type deposits], phosphatised microfossils, and chert deposits.”3 They also found that the ancestors to the Cambrian creatures were “strikingly absent” in the Ediacaran period.
Darwin is described as "characteristically honest" - unlike the innumerable scientists and "Christian" cowards who argue against the truth of Creation but refuse to defend their asinine theory - and once confessed that if it could be shown that a complex organism existed for which slow, random, slight changes over time could not account, "my theory would absolutely break down". Not, maybe break down or likely break down - ABSOLUTELY. Today, God has unveiled via true scientific discoveries, what Darwin was talkin about: "Irreducible Complexity".
Stephen J. Gould pointed out although Phyletic Gradualism is the foundation of Darwinism, the last phylum to develop - Chordata - to which humans belong has representation in the pre-Cambrian layer and that "full diversity was reached within the explosion itself". Darwin admitted the problem existed in his day and said it is "a valid argument against the views here entertained."
I find it incredible that so called "Christian evolutionists" are more confident in this anti-God, anti-Bible nonsense and are less "characteristically honest" than some of the champions of evolutionary theory.
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As sure as I'm born a man, if you live long enough, you will end up choosing God or evolution.
And as sure as I am a man and a Christian, I will live long enough and not have to choose as it is compatible.
It is not a salvation issue.
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The two absolutely most confused individuals on the entire planet are:
(1) the white Rastafarian - b/c Rasta taught the black race is "true Israel" and the only heir to God's kingdom
(2) the "Christian" evolutionist - for reasons immediately evident to anyone who isn't a Democrat or in a coma.
DarylFawcett
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I also believe this and I also believe in a literal 6 day creation with the 7th day being a day that God blessed and sanctified.
I also believed that after sin, God's creation began devolving, not evolving.
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