Everyone Goes to Heaven

[Jack]

I am LGBTQ+ affirming and support them, so this is good.

God said gays are heading for Hell fire!

1 Corinthians 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Jack]

Every Bible? Which "bibles" are you citing here Jack my friend?

As well, the argument you mention is essentially a null statement. I could say the same thing "Do you really think that someone must believe that God will save all people in order for God to save all people"

Truly, I used to be a Christian Infernalist as well, I believed what you believed Jack. So I say this with kindness. Even if I had continued to promote Christian Infernalism, Christian Universalism would continue to remain true. God bless

Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

You don't have Bible to prove "Christian Universalism". NONE! It's a Satanic doctrine leading people to Hell. Satan deceived you.

 

[GodisSpirit]

Think of the character of a god that is all knowing, and predestined all things according to his will and plans for humanity who then creates an eternal place of excruciating suffering for those he did not predestine to salvation. All before the foundation of a world where his plan was that people would need to be saved..... from him.


Because the Devil doesn't judge and determine people's eternal destiny.
And do remember, in the Bible God killed more people than Satan did.

Some only know God from what they've read in a book. If they think about that they may realize his personality is the same as ours.
Image and likeness.

Why was the Bible written?
Control.

Why was religion invented?
Control.

Most of those God killed by flood or ordered Israel to do were Nephilim and connected groups that represented Sin. So, we read God killing Sin. I would hope my God kills Sin!

But God does not predestine who goes to Hell.

19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God

God, gives them every day of their life to observe His Works and they still Reject Him by their own Free Will.

 

[GodisSpirit]

It seems those among the LGBTQ+ community have association with this BLÅHAJ. Interesting. I am LGBTQ+ affirming and support them, so this is good.

God says, Same Sex Attracted people, which He calls the men effiminate and an Abomination, that He put a Reprobate mind into you and those like you.

This Thread, SCREAMS, created from a Reprobate Mind all the way!

 

[ButterflyJones]

Most of those God killed by flood or ordered Israel to do were Nephilim and connected groups that represented Sin. So, we read God killing Sin. I would hope my God kills Sin!

But God does not predestine who goes to Hell.

19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God

God, gives them every day of their life to observe His Works and they still Reject Him by their own Free Will.

Medianites were Nephilim? Uzzah? King Saul? Nabal? Lot's wife? Jeroboam? The first born newborn and child of every Egyptian house were Nephilim?

Romans 8:29-30 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

 

[GodisSpirit]

Medianites were Nephilim? Uzzah? King Saul? Nabal? Lot's wife? Jeroboam? The first born newborn and child of every Egyptian house were Nephilim?

Romans 8:29-30 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

No, those are people who REJECTED God.
Especially Lot's Wife.
She saw God rain down Brimstone and still did not obey.
Free Will, not predestined!
She was warned, could have been Saved, but chose to disobeyed!

 

[ButterflyJones]

No, those are people who REJECTED God.
Especially Lot's Wife.
She saw God rain down Brimstone and still did not obey.
Free Will, not predestined!
She was warned, could have been Saved, but chose to disobeyed!

Maybe you should search the scriptures and find out who those people were.

 

[Harold]

Typing this while my father drives in the dark mother, sister, aunt, myself right past deer close to road. Worst case scenario we'd all be dead in a car crash if deer was a couple feet to right.



Job 34:20 CSB They die suddenly in the middle of the night; people shudder, then pass away. Even the mighty are removed without effort.



All it takes is a mere instance to die. That's why I was spreading the good news of Christian Universalism with my handwritten Bible verse tracts while shirtless at Gimli beach with them today Aug 6 2023. It was an Icelandic Festival, showing the vikings, who had belief in the Norse mythological concept of Hel, the underworld, where people go after they die, ruled by the false goddess Hel.

Hel with 1 L

radical-reaction.com

Later, mainstream Christianity adopted this word "hell" into many Bible mistranslations: NIV, KJB, ESV, (none in YLT, CLV, NAB, etc.)



The true underworld, the realm of the dead, is referred to as Sheol שְׁאוֹל in Hebrew OT Psalm 16:10 and Hades ᾍδης, ου, ὁ in Greek NT Acts 2:27. What makes this not a myth is because the true LORD God rules over the unseen world. Psalm 86:13 proves He delivers souls out of this abode of departed spirits. Thus, post-mortem salvation is possible. Yes, even atheists who die suddenly in car crashes will still eventually believe in Christ and be saved! Unlike what the delusiononal false tracts of infernalist Jack Chick say, all people will believe in Christ and be saved!

 

[GodisSpirit]

Typing this while my father drives in the dark mother, sister, aunt, myself right past deer close to road. Worst case scenario we'd all be dead in a car crash if deer was a couple feet to right.



Job 34:20 CSB They die suddenly in the middle of the night; people shudder, then pass away. Even the mighty are removed without effort.



All it takes is a mere instance to die. That's why I was spreading the good news of Christian Universalism with my handwritten Bible verse tracts while shirtless at Gimli beach with them today Aug 6 2023. It was an Icelandic Festival, showing the vikings, who had belief in the Norse mythological concept of Hel, the underworld, where people go after they die, ruled by the false goddess Hel.

Hel with 1 L

radical-reaction.com

Later, mainstream Christianity adopted this word "hell" into many Bible mistranslations: NIV, KJB, ESV, (none in YLT, CLV, NAB, etc.)



The true underworld, the realm of the dead, is referred to as Sheol שְׁאוֹל in Hebrew OT Psalm 16:10 and Hades ᾍδης, ου, ὁ in Greek NT Acts 2:27. What makes this not a myth is because the true LORD God rules over the unseen world. Psalm 86:13 proves He delivers souls out of this abode of departed spirits. Thus, post-mortem salvation is possible. Yes, even atheists who die suddenly in car crashes will still eventually believe in Christ and be saved! Unlike what the delusiononal false tracts of infernalist Jack Chick say, all people will believe in Christ and be saved!

Believing in Christ AFTER you have been Judged is not going to change anything.
The New Testament says the DEMONS believe in Jesus, and they are going to burn for all Eternity!
They were officially Booted out of Heaven, so they can Never Return!
But, they even admit they Believe in Jesus!
And it is Eternal Suffering for them, FOREVER!!!

 

[Patrick1966]

Believing in Christ AFTER you have been Judged is not going to change anything.

Verse please.

 

[Patrick1966]

And it is Eternal Suffering for them, FOREVER!!!

Verse please.

 

[Harold]

```Romans 6:23 NRSV For the wages of sin is death```

Romans 6:23 - The Wages of Sin

We see ὀψώνια (opsōnia) used as the word for “wages” which, from Strong's 3800: is connected to opsarion; rations for a soldier, i.e. his stipend or pay.



When one thinks of their “pay” they may imagine an “hourly wage”. Yet, for a soldier to somehow “earn” endless punishment as what they sow, they must somehow “endlessly sin”. Which means, in ECT, God allows sin to continue during the punishment, thus the former things aka “sin” has failed to pass away and scripture is contradicted. Revelation 21:4.



Annilhationism is no better. Hebrews 9:22, the remission of blood is required for forgiveness for sins aka belief in the precious blood of Christ. 1 John 1:7. When one is permanently destroyed before they believe, their sin is not permanently destroyed! Sin therefore continues to exist permanently! A permanent failure in God’s plan for the former things to pass away.



The only way to permanently pass away the former things, sin, is to have everyone believe in Christ!

 

[Harold]

Verse please.

Hmmm... maybe our friend GodisSpirit meant this verse?

Revelation 21:4 ESV He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

 

[Jack]

Revelation 21:4 ESV He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

Clearly referring to those in God's eternal Kingdom, not Satan's children in Hell.

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Harold]

Had a Zoom meeting with my Dr. boss today, Aug 8 2023, where we spoke of financial fate.



Proverbs 13:7 NASB There is one who pretends to be rich, but has nothing; Another pretends to be poor, but has great wealth



Many shopping at malls buy expensive Gucci or Supreme clothing with credit card debt. Keeping up with the Jones’. They want to impress their social networks, to brag. Many fail to pay off their loans and reach bankruptcy, they default, damaging their credit rating, blacklisting them from work. This is dangerous.



My Dr. boss from work can have a larger monthly mortgage payment for a bigger house in square feet. He told me he worries that, if they live such a rich lifestyle, what is there for his daughter to strive for? So, he purposely lives more frugally to save money. This is wise.



Society is the quadratic expression of a parabola, like y = x2 - 2x + 3. Left = Poverty. Right = Riches. The vertex is most optimal.



Proverbs 30:8 NASB Give me neither poverty nor riches;



This verse is modelled as a ball sitting atop this hill. It has the highest possible energy potential, since it may either roll left to poverty or right to riches with kinetic energy. It falls, not like a linear slope, but as an exponential function due to the acceleration of gravity. At the bottom of either side, this potential is lost.



No matter where this ball of a human sinner moves to, they shall surely die. Due to the laws of thermodynamics, our sinful universe is trapped in a closed system, having more energy become unavailable out of entropy due to sin, yet did not God create energy, as He created the rich and poor?



1 Samuel 2:7 NASB The LORD makes poor and rich; He brings low, He also exalts.



It is impossible for any human sinner to defy what the LORD has already planned out through the laws of physics. How can a rolling ball stop itself from falling on its own? How can any sinner stop themselves from being convinced to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved? Truly, all descendants of Adam shall fall and shall believe and shall be saved.



Money is available energy. Those with the sin of covetousness, through greediness, the love of money, 1 Timothy 6:10, who hoard wealth, their stability is a clog in the world’s sewage system. Money, like manure, is most useful when spread around. Blood must flow through the body; the excessively rich are a blood clot in a vein. Woe to them, as they have stolen their employees’ wages, their potential. It’s delusional to try to get infinite growth within a finite system.

 

[Harold]

There’s also the Greek myth of hell ruled by the false underworld god “Hades”. Some people I spoke to tried to falsely claim that Christianity was “mythological” because it also used the word “Hades”, specifically, ᾍδης, ου, ὁ Strong’s Greek 86.



My rebuttal is that the Biblical Hades meaning “realm of the dead” originates from Sheol in Hebrew Psalm 16:10, which preceded literally all of Greek culture! Both simply mean “realm of the dead”, the Greeks merely attached one of their many mythological gods to the concept, like the Hellenistic false god Aion ( Greek: Αἰών), the term related to ages, originally referenced in Hebrew as עוֹלָם Strong’s Hebrew 5769 olam, both do not mean “forever”. Easy way to prove this is with:



```Psalm 106:48 NASB “Blessed be the LORD, the God of Israel, From everlasting to everlasting. And all the people shall say, “Amen.” Praise the LORD!” ```



The olam inflection הָ֤עוֹלָ֨ם ׀ (hā·‘ō·w·lām) is used here twice for each “everlasting”. Forever is infinite. It’s impossible for two infinite objects to take the same space! If a person is stuck in the first “forever” it’s impossible for them to move on to this second “forever”, yet this verse clearly shows a movement from haowlam to haowlam.



But let’s try this translation I made:



```Psalm 106:48 “Blessed be the LORD, the God of Israel, From age to age. And all the people shall say, “Amen.” Praise the LORD!” ```



So like generation to generation, the LORD is still blessed. Both the older and younger generations will praise the LORD! This makes so much more sense. All the people of all the generations of the Earth shall believe in the LORD, Jesus Christ, and thus be saved. Based on this evidence, it’s more likely that the Greeks just borrowed words from the Bible and added different meanings to it… just like many modern day English Bible translators!

 

[Jack]

There’s also the Greek myth of hell ruled by the false underworld god “Hades”. Some people I spoke to tried to falsely claim that Christianity was “mythological” because it also used the word “Hades”, specifically, ᾍδης, ου, ὁ Strong’s Greek 86.



My rebuttal is that the Biblical Hades meaning “realm of the dead” originates from Sheol in Hebrew Psalm 16:10, which preceded literally all of Greek culture! Both simply mean “realm of the dead”, the Greeks merely attached one of their many mythological gods to the concept, like the Hellenistic false god Aion ( Greek: Αἰών), the term related to ages, originally referenced in Hebrew as עוֹלָם Strong’s Hebrew 5769 olam, both do not mean “forever”. Easy way to prove this is with:



```Psalm 106:48 NASB “Blessed be the LORD, the God of Israel, From everlasting to everlasting. And all the people shall say, “Amen.” Praise the LORD!” ```



The olam inflection הָ֤עוֹלָ֨ם ׀ (hā·‘ō·w·lām) is used here twice for each “everlasting”. Forever is infinite. It’s impossible for two infinite objects to take the same space! If a person is stuck in the first “forever” it’s impossible for them to move on to this second “forever”, yet this verse clearly shows a movement from haowlam to haowlam.



But let’s try this translation I made:



```Psalm 106:48 “Blessed be the LORD, the God of Israel, From age to age. And all the people shall say, “Amen.” Praise the LORD!” ```



So like generation to generation, the LORD is still blessed. Both the older and younger generations will praise the LORD! This makes so much more sense. All the people of all the generations of the Earth shall believe in the LORD, Jesus Christ, and thus be saved. Based on this evidence, it’s more likely that the Greeks just borrowed words from the Bible and added different meanings to it… just like many modern day English Bible translators!

Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell!

 

[Harold]

"stress was significantly correlated with EI and EI was significantly correlated with IQ” Relationships among Stress, Emotional Intelligence, Cognitive Intelligence, and Vytokines. Medicine (Baltimore). 2019 May;98(18):e15345. doi: 10.1097/MD.0000000000015345.

Relationships among stress, emotional intelligence, cognitive intelligence, and cytokines



Romans 5:3-5 NIV

Not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.



Biblical Model

Suffering -> Perseverance -> Character -> Hope



Academic Theory

Stress -> Emotional Intelligence -> Intelligence Quotient -> Hope



Suffering is used to eventually lead to belief in Jesus Christ to be saved. Therefore, as long as a person does not believe in Christ, they will continue to be stressed. This suffering, this stress, comes from sin. Revelation 21:4 tells us that there’s no more death

θάνατος (thanatos) Strong's 2288, thus all will have αθανασια (athanasia), meaning immortality (1 Corinthians 15:53, 15:54 and 1 Timothy 6:16 only) through Christ. Thus, permanent death, thanatos, cannot exist, so annilhationism is debunked.



Revelation 21:4 also tells us that there’s no more suffering πόνος (ponos) Strong's 4192: (a) labor, toil, (b) pain, anguish, distress, suffering. From the base of penes; toil, i.e. anguish. No more suffering! That means, not only is ECT proven false, but that everyone has moved past the “Suffering” stage of the Biblical Model, yes, to hope! To belief in Christ! Thus, Christian Universalism is proven true!

 

[Harold]

Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell!

Hell? You mean the one from Norse Mythology? There's Sheol/Hades/Gehenna/Tartarus but.... I don't see any "hell" here in the Hebrew/Greek biblical scriptures my friend Jack

lol but assuming you refer to the Lake of Fire, we see that being in the lake of fire is a state of being "cast out" Yet the Bible clearly tells us that
Lamentations 3:31 For the Lord will not cast us off forever.

Thus all shall believe in the Lord Christ and all shall be saved. God bless

 

[Jack]

Hell? You mean the one from Norse Mythology?

No, I mean from Jesus of the Christian Bible. You should read it some time.

Mark 9:47-48 (NKJV)
47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire-- 48 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'

There's Sheol/Hades/Gehenna/Tartarus but.... I don't see any "hell" here in the Hebrew/Greek biblical scriptures my friend Jack

Oh, another self professed Greek and Hebrew expert! Maybe you need to concentrate on English first.

Matthew 5:22 (NKJV)
22 Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

lol but assuming you refer to the Lake of Fire, we see that being in the lake of fire is a state of being "cast out" Yet the Bible clearly tells us that
Lamentations 3:31 For the Lord will not cast us off forever.

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Thus all shall believe in the Lord Christ and all shall be saved. God bless

You should read the Bible some time. It can save you from Hell fire.

Galatians 5
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.