Everyone Goes to Heaven

[Patrick1966]

No, I believe what God said:

19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God

These PEOPLE, in Verses 19-21, made up their minds and God has given them EVERY chance to change.
You only get to the moment you die to Choose.
Those, who deny and reject God, once they die, it's over forever.

LOOK what God says about them:
So they are without excuse.

Ok, so you DO believe that God's will can and will be circumvented and that Jesus will FAIL to save ALL people as God willed him to do.

 

[GodisSpirit]

Ok, so you DO believe that God's will can and will be circumvented and that Jesus will FAIL to save ALL people as God willed him to do.

How can God fail?
First of all, He don't need anyone of us.
He is only giving us a chance because He truly desires for those Who love Him to be in a Relationship with Him.
People, who reject God, will never love God.
And God don't need them.
He gave them a chance and they blew it.

 

[Patrick1966]

How can God fail?
First of all, He don't need anyone of us.
He is only giving us a chance because He truly desires for those Who love Him to be in a Relationship with Him.
People, who reject God, will never love God.
And God don't need them.
He gave them a chance and they blew it.

My brother it is God's will that Jesus save ALL people and that's exactly what he did on the cross! Some do get sent to the Lake of Fire, but it is for correction and purifying and thereafter they too will join us in Heaven with God.

 

[GodisSpirit]

My brother it is God's will that Jesus save ALL people and that's exactly what he did on the cross! Some do get sent to the Lake of Fire, but it is for correction and purifying and thereafter they too will join us in Heaven with God.

It was God's Will to heal and do miracles in Nazareth, but look what happened:

Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown, among his relatives and in his own house is a prophet without honor." He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. And he was amazed at their lack of faith.

If Jesus, GOD, in the flesh, cannot do Miracles, when He is God, because of Lack of Faith, He won't force people to go to Heaven who want to reject Him.

 

[ButterflyJones]

I was sanding my basement ceiling today, Aug 5 2023. I wrapped a sheet of sandpaper around a wooden block and I rubbed away with my hand. During this, I listened to interviews of Christian Universalists David Bentley Hart, Gary Amirault, Gerry Beauchemin, Rob...in Parry (not to be confused with Rob Bell), etc.



I got ceiling dust in my eyes and it physically hurt. Reminded me of the Parable of "The Dust In A Person's Eye"



```Matthew 7:3-5. CEV 3 You can see the speck in your friend's eye, but you don't notice the log in your own eye. 4 How can you say, “My friend, let me take the speck out of your eye,” when you don't see the log in your own eye? 5 You're nothing but show-offs! First, take the log out of your own eye; then you can see how to take the speck out of your friend's eye. ```



After regaining my vision, I realized. Sandpaper is rough. Yet, when rubbed on a surface, makes it smooth. Life is rough. Yet, when we suffer, we gain character, smoothness. Romans 5:3-5. This leads all to hope, faith alone in the carpenter's son, Son of God, Jesus Christ. Matthew 13:55, which saves us all.



Why did God permit the false doctrines of Infernalism/Annihlationism to spread? Would the people I mentioned above be on Youtube videos about UR if UR was so obvious that everyone knew it?



Because of the rough suffering many experienced from ECT/CI, content creators have material to work with, arguments to rebuttal and praises to God, thus smoothness.

Think of the character of a god that is all knowing, and predestined all things according to his will and plans for humanity who then creates an eternal place of excruciating suffering for those he did not predestine to salvation. All before the foundation of a world where his plan was that people would need to be saved..... from him.


Because the Devil doesn't judge and determine people's eternal destiny.
And do remember, in the Bible God killed more people than Satan did.

Some only know God from what they've read in a book. If they think about that they may realize his personality is the same as ours.
Image and likeness.

Why was the Bible written?
Control.

Why was religion invented?
Control.

 

[Jack]

I am LGBTQ+ affirming and support them, so this is good.

God said gays are heading for Hell fire!

1 Corinthians 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Jack]

Every Bible? Which "bibles" are you citing here Jack my friend?

As well, the argument you mention is essentially a null statement. I could say the same thing "Do you really think that someone must believe that God will save all people in order for God to save all people"

Truly, I used to be a Christian Infernalist as well, I believed what you believed Jack. So I say this with kindness. Even if I had continued to promote Christian Infernalism, Christian Universalism would continue to remain true. God bless

Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

You don't have Bible to prove "Christian Universalism". NONE! It's a Satanic doctrine leading people to Hell. Satan deceived you.

 

[GodisSpirit]

Think of the character of a god that is all knowing, and predestined all things according to his will and plans for humanity who then creates an eternal place of excruciating suffering for those he did not predestine to salvation. All before the foundation of a world where his plan was that people would need to be saved..... from him.


Because the Devil doesn't judge and determine people's eternal destiny.
And do remember, in the Bible God killed more people than Satan did.

Some only know God from what they've read in a book. If they think about that they may realize his personality is the same as ours.
Image and likeness.

Why was the Bible written?
Control.

Why was religion invented?
Control.

Most of those God killed by flood or ordered Israel to do were Nephilim and connected groups that represented Sin. So, we read God killing Sin. I would hope my God kills Sin!

But God does not predestine who goes to Hell.

19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God

God, gives them every day of their life to observe His Works and they still Reject Him by their own Free Will.

 

[GodisSpirit]

It seems those among the LGBTQ+ community have association with this BLÅHAJ. Interesting. I am LGBTQ+ affirming and support them, so this is good.

God says, Same Sex Attracted people, which He calls the men effiminate and an Abomination, that He put a Reprobate mind into you and those like you.

This Thread, SCREAMS, created from a Reprobate Mind all the way!

 

[ButterflyJones]

Most of those God killed by flood or ordered Israel to do were Nephilim and connected groups that represented Sin. So, we read God killing Sin. I would hope my God kills Sin!

But God does not predestine who goes to Hell.

19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God

God, gives them every day of their life to observe His Works and they still Reject Him by their own Free Will.

Medianites were Nephilim? Uzzah? King Saul? Nabal? Lot's wife? Jeroboam? The first born newborn and child of every Egyptian house were Nephilim?

Romans 8:29-30 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

 

[GodisSpirit]

Medianites were Nephilim? Uzzah? King Saul? Nabal? Lot's wife? Jeroboam? The first born newborn and child of every Egyptian house were Nephilim?

Romans 8:29-30 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

No, those are people who REJECTED God.
Especially Lot's Wife.
She saw God rain down Brimstone and still did not obey.
Free Will, not predestined!
She was warned, could have been Saved, but chose to disobeyed!

 

[ButterflyJones]

No, those are people who REJECTED God.
Especially Lot's Wife.
She saw God rain down Brimstone and still did not obey.
Free Will, not predestined!
She was warned, could have been Saved, but chose to disobeyed!

Maybe you should search the scriptures and find out who those people were.

 

[GodisSpirit]

Typing this while my father drives in the dark mother, sister, aunt, myself right past deer close to road. Worst case scenario we'd all be dead in a car crash if deer was a couple feet to right.



Job 34:20 CSB They die suddenly in the middle of the night; people shudder, then pass away. Even the mighty are removed without effort.



All it takes is a mere instance to die. That's why I was spreading the good news of Christian Universalism with my handwritten Bible verse tracts while shirtless at Gimli beach with them today Aug 6 2023. It was an Icelandic Festival, showing the vikings, who had belief in the Norse mythological concept of Hel, the underworld, where people go after they die, ruled by the false goddess Hel.

Hel with 1 L

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Later, mainstream Christianity adopted this word "hell" into many Bible mistranslations: NIV, KJB, ESV, (none in YLT, CLV, NAB, etc.)



The true underworld, the realm of the dead, is referred to as Sheol שְׁאוֹל in Hebrew OT Psalm 16:10 and Hades ᾍδης, ου, ὁ in Greek NT Acts 2:27. What makes this not a myth is because the true LORD God rules over the unseen world. Psalm 86:13 proves He delivers souls out of this abode of departed spirits. Thus, post-mortem salvation is possible. Yes, even atheists who die suddenly in car crashes will still eventually believe in Christ and be saved! Unlike what the delusiononal false tracts of infernalist Jack Chick say, all people will believe in Christ and be saved!

Believing in Christ AFTER you have been Judged is not going to change anything.
The New Testament says the DEMONS believe in Jesus, and they are going to burn for all Eternity!
They were officially Booted out of Heaven, so they can Never Return!
But, they even admit they Believe in Jesus!
And it is Eternal Suffering for them, FOREVER!!!

 

[Patrick1966]

Believing in Christ AFTER you have been Judged is not going to change anything.

Verse please.

 

[Patrick1966]

And it is Eternal Suffering for them, FOREVER!!!

Verse please.

 

[Jack]

Revelation 21:4 ESV He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

Clearly referring to those in God's eternal Kingdom, not Satan's children in Hell.

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Jack]

There’s also the Greek myth of hell ruled by the false underworld god “Hades”. Some people I spoke to tried to falsely claim that Christianity was “mythological” because it also used the word “Hades”, specifically, ᾍδης, ου, ὁ Strong’s Greek 86.



My rebuttal is that the Biblical Hades meaning “realm of the dead” originates from Sheol in Hebrew Psalm 16:10, which preceded literally all of Greek culture! Both simply mean “realm of the dead”, the Greeks merely attached one of their many mythological gods to the concept, like the Hellenistic false god Aion ( Greek: Αἰών), the term related to ages, originally referenced in Hebrew as עוֹלָם Strong’s Hebrew 5769 olam, both do not mean “forever”. Easy way to prove this is with:



```Psalm 106:48 NASB “Blessed be the LORD, the God of Israel, From everlasting to everlasting. And all the people shall say, “Amen.” Praise the LORD!” ```



The olam inflection הָ֤עוֹלָ֨ם ׀ (hā·‘ō·w·lām) is used here twice for each “everlasting”. Forever is infinite. It’s impossible for two infinite objects to take the same space! If a person is stuck in the first “forever” it’s impossible for them to move on to this second “forever”, yet this verse clearly shows a movement from haowlam to haowlam.



But let’s try this translation I made:



```Psalm 106:48 “Blessed be the LORD, the God of Israel, From age to age. And all the people shall say, “Amen.” Praise the LORD!” ```



So like generation to generation, the LORD is still blessed. Both the older and younger generations will praise the LORD! This makes so much more sense. All the people of all the generations of the Earth shall believe in the LORD, Jesus Christ, and thus be saved. Based on this evidence, it’s more likely that the Greeks just borrowed words from the Bible and added different meanings to it… just like many modern day English Bible translators!

Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell!

 

[Jack]

Hell? You mean the one from Norse Mythology?

No, I mean from Jesus of the Christian Bible. You should read it some time.

Mark 9:47-48 (NKJV)
47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire-- 48 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'

There's Sheol/Hades/Gehenna/Tartarus but.... I don't see any "hell" here in the Hebrew/Greek biblical scriptures my friend Jack

Oh, another self professed Greek and Hebrew expert! Maybe you need to concentrate on English first.

Matthew 5:22 (NKJV)
22 Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

lol but assuming you refer to the Lake of Fire, we see that being in the lake of fire is a state of being "cast out" Yet the Bible clearly tells us that
Lamentations 3:31 For the Lord will not cast us off forever.

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Thus all shall believe in the Lord Christ and all shall be saved. God bless

You should read the Bible some time. It can save you from Hell fire.

Galatians 5
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Johann]

1 Corinthians 15:22 "In Christ shall all be made alive"

No longer will there be any death. No more suffering, for anyone. Everyone will have happiness in Heaven be believing in Christ! God is not a liar, therefore, this will come true!




Luke 19:10: "For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost."

Everyone in the world is lost, for we have all sinned against God. But God specifically save Jesus Christ to save all of us who are lost, which is the whole world.




Luke 15:4: "What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it?"

This is absolute assurance that God will save everyone. Even if one person is viewed by the world as extremely evil, God does not discriminate. We have all sinned and therefore God sees us all as sinners. Thus, God will save everyone.

This is what I would call twisting and perverting Scriptures.
J.

 

[Johann]

Hell? You mean the one from Norse Mythology? There's Sheol/Hades/Gehenna/Tartarus but.... I don't see any "hell" here in the Hebrew/Greek biblical scriptures my friend Jack

lol but assuming you refer to the Lake of Fire, we see that being in the lake of fire is a state of being "cast out" Yet the Bible clearly tells us that
Lamentations 3:31 For the Lord will not cast us off forever.

Thus all shall believe in the Lord Christ and all shall be saved. God bless

Lam 3:31?

"He causes grief" This VERB (BDB 387, KB 385) is used several times in Lamentations (and only two other places, Job 19:2; Isa. 51:23).

Lam. 1:4 ‒ Jerusalem is grieved because no one comes on feast days (Niphal PARTICIPLE)
Lam. 1:5 ‒ YHWH Himself has caused Judah's grief (Hiphil PERFECT)
Lam. 1:12 ‒ same as #2
Lam. 3:22 ‒ same as #2
Lam. 3:33 ‒ YHWH does not grieve the sons of men from His heart (Piel IMPERFECT with waw)
YHWH, Israel's creator, parent, shepherd, and defender, has now become her adversary (i.e., reversal of Holy War!). This was not only shocking but devastating to the worldview of the descendants of Abraham and YHWH's promises to David (cf. 2 Samuel 7; 1 Chronicles 17).

Thank God for Lam. 3:32b-c! YHWH's judgment is time sensitive. It does not last forever (cf. Ps. 103:8-14; 130:5-8).



3:33 God's judgment is the direct result of the rejection of His love. Judgment is designed to cause fallen mankind to repent and seek God. It is one aspect of parental discipline (cf Heb. 12:5-11). It is for our benefit, not just an outburst of emotional release on God's part (cf. Ezek. 18:23,32; 2 Pet. 3:9). It is purposeful and always in response to destructive rebellion.

This is such an important theological verse. It speaks directly to the merciful character of God (cf. Lam. 3:32). The context from Lam. 3:21-25,31 is positive, so it is difficult to see how Lam. 3:34-38 seems to be negative. Robert Gordis, in his commentary, pp. 181-183, suggests that Lam. 3:34-38 is all parallel, which shows the things, "the Most High" will not do.

to crush prisoners
to pervert justice
to do harm to a good man
He bases #3 on an emendation by Ehrlich. See my following notes on another option for interpreting Lam. 3:37-38.

3:33-36 These verses describe

some of the sinful things that humans do to fellow humans (NJB, JPSOA)
Lam. 3:34 ‒ violence, war, slavery
Lam. 3:35 ‒ deprive justice (cf. Exod. 23:6,8; Deut. 16:19; 24:17; 27:19; Ps. 140:12; Amos 2:7)
Lam. 3:36 ‒ deprive legal process (i.e., bribery, partiality), cf. Jer. 22:3
YHWH knows when His people are hurting and their covenant rights denied or violated (TEV)
All three (a, b, c) are INFINITIVES.

J.