Eternal Life is Now!

[Eternally Grateful]

Go back and re-read my first post.
I dont teach uncertain.
Titus 1:2,
- hope(expectation) eternal life

I teach it is expected.
Also conditional.
You dont hope for things you already obtained.
The hope a Christian has is certain as long as he meets Gods conditions.
Like John teaching you must continue in faith. Only then is eternal life a guarantee.

Yes,

You teach conditional life

Not eternal life.

Which John, who was there with Jesus for his ministry so he knows quite well) said we have.

Jesus said we have it to..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yup!!....I was at one time Epi, not now...xx

This is funny, I had to laugh

 

[Ritajanice]

This is funny, I had to laugh

What did my post mean?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What did my post mean?

lets just say I do not see you practice what your post said. thats why I had to laugh.

 

[Ritajanice]

lets just say I do not practice what your post said. thats why I had to laugh.

Explain then?

Instead of laughing at something that you cannot even explain?

You assumption of my post should be explained by you?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Explain then?

I corrected my post.

what did you mean when you said you used to act that way (what way)

 

[Ritajanice]

I corrected my post.

what did you mean when you said you used to act that way (what way)

If you don’t know the answer I can’t help you.

Epi spoke to my spirit and I knew exactly what he was talking about.

He will know what I meant when I said..Yup,I used to be that way, not now....it’s called understanding spiritual matters...which is what he spoke and I agreed.

You said..lets just say I do not see you practice what your post said
So tell me, @Eternally Grateful what do I practice?...

 

[marks]

No hope for eternal life if you stop believing.

That sounds good, sounds right, but it leaves you with a glaring problem, in that you won't be able to accept the plain sayings of numerous passages.

One of those is here:

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

IF you are a son of God now, when you see Him, you shall be like Him. There is no wiggle room here for someone to stop being a child of God.

Here is one more:

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

If you are risen with Christ now, you shall appear with Him in glory then. Again, no wiggle room for someone who is risen with Him now to not appear with Him then.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you don’t know the answer I can’t help you.

Epi spoke to my spirit and I knew exactly what he was talking about.

He will know what I meant when I said..Yup,I used to be that way, not now....it’s called understanding spiritual matters...which is what he spoke and I agreed.

So tell me, @Eternally Grateful what do I practice?...

I know the answer.. I just want you to acknowledge for once what is being said.

Epi said this

Maybe you are led by feelings and NOT the Spirit?

You said amen, you USED to be this way.

That is what I laughed about.. Read your posts the past few days.. it is all led by feelings.. whether you were right or you were wrong..

 

[marks]

I teach it is expected.
Also conditional.

So . . . which is it? Your expectation here doesn't match the certainty of Scripture.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You dont hope for things you already obtained.

No . . . you wait patiently . . . why? Because our expectation is sure.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

I know the answer.. I just want you to acknowledge for once what is being said.

Epi said this

Maybe you are led by feelings and NOT the Spirit?

You said amen, you USED to be this way.

That is what I laughed about.. Read your posts the past few days.. it is all led by feelings.. whether you were right or you were wrong..

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Then explain what ...whether you were right or you were wrong?..means.

I haven’t a clue what you are talking about here, so please explain? Thank you.

Led by feelings what does that mean to you?

Are feelings emotional?

Who leads you?..or what leads you?

We’re trying to have a decent discussion on this thread...not throw personal accusations around about other members.

We grow in the Spirit not stay stuck in that old mindset/self.

Epi, my parents brought me up to be led by my feelings...they really disturbed my mind...I’ve had to have years of counselling...my best counsellor of course is the Holy Spirit, he has healed my mind, taken many years......I still Love my parents though, all part and parcel of how God drew me to Jesus,my parents are now passed,xx

Maybe you are led by feelings and NOT the Spirit?

Yup!!....I was at one time Epi, not now...xx

 

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Romans 5:5

Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

An important passage towards understanding Biblical hope. It does not disappoint.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

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Then explain what ...whether you were right or you were wrong?..means.

I haven’t a clue what you are talking about here, so please explain? Thank you.

Led by feelings what does that mean to you?

Are feelings emotional?

Who leads you?..or what leads you?

We’re trying to have a decent discussion on this thread...not throw personal accusations around about other members.

We grow in the Spirit not stay stuck in that old mindset/self.

Epi, my parents brought me up to be led by my feelings...they really disturbed my mind...I still Love them though, they are now passed,xx


Yup!!....I was at one time Epi, not now...xx

you don;t get it. If I tried to explain it to you. I doubt you would get that either.

Good day

 

[Ritajanice]

you don;t get it. If I tried to explain it to you. I doubt you would get that either.

Good day

What great communication skills...thanks..have a good day.

 

[Lizbeth]

Paul didn't expect that his writings would be seen as scripture...of course there is a difference between the prophetic nature of the OT and the testimonial revelations of the NT.

But sure..I'll lay out Romans 3. It is a little longer...but bear with me...;)

Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

IOW...the truth although first revealed to them, doesn't stop at them...it's not a matter of WHO believes the truth.The truth is truth in its own right.


5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

This is an important idea. It doesn't matter what we do for God if our motives aren't pure. The truth is a double-edged sword...it can condemn us even as we preach the truth...or an aspect of it. So often we will preach one half of the truth and be condemned by the other half that we are transgressing against. For the Jews...it is preaching righteousness at the expense of true holiness. For we Christians it is preaching holiness at the expense of righteousness (where even the holiness we preach is misunderstood). God will judge.

8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

Many misunderstand the grace of God...which is the POWER of God to fulfill His commandments. NOT a way of escaping judgment or responsibility for our sins. The Holy Spirit makes us MORE responsible not less so.


9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

We are all entraped by the sin nature of the flesh...until we are freed by the power of the cross. We all need a Saviour.


11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

This is the condition of all men....including born again believers who have been saved from the world...but not yet saved from the power of the flesh. No one can manufacture the kind of fear that only actual faith in God can produce. A fool rages and is confident.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

No one can declare himself righteous by what he does...or what he believes. In God's sight no living person can justify themselves. Only God can justify...not a bible or a bible reader.


21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

The upward calling of Christ is part of the law...walking in the light of the Lord in His power and covering righteousness. God justifies both on a human level AND on a holy level. Be perfect as God is perfect.


22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

God is not a respecter of persons. The faith OF Christ translates people into the kingdom realm of the Spirit. That's how we know we have been justified...by walking in an eternal life and power.

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

No one is ready for holiness in their own strength.

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Being IN Christ we walk as Jesus walked. In Him is no sin. The justification that is in Christ is holy...without any spot or wrinkle of sin.

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

God is merciful...on 2 levels...for the righteous AND for those who enter into Christ in both forgiveness AND atonement (cleansing). Jesus takes away the sins of the world. What people here will mix up is that it is not by faith in His blood.....as if we have to believe in His blood. But rather "in His blood (life)" by faith. Here we see that the LIFE of Jesus takes away our sins.


26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in (from) Jesus.

If we stand in Christ and believe FROM Christ (in HIS faith) then we have the kind of justification that was fully outside the followers of the law who walked in their own strength.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

The law of faith takes us (flow chart) to heaven. We begin with a human faith....that pays the price (ALL) to win Christ. From there we are given the faith to be translated into the higher walk in holiness.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Definitely one of the ways that God justifies with. This way has no limit. Faith can do the impossible. Works can only do what is possible. Faith is about what God can do. Works about what WE can do. If we walk in His power than our God- empowered works will be as gold and silver...bringing a reward based on a higher level of righteousness.

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

The gospel is to all...regardless of human status.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

This is to show that faith fulfills the law. Human faith in a PHYSICAL application of the law (like the Jews do). And the faith OF Christ that fulfills the spiritual requirements of the law (No sin at all..not even in thought or in the subconscious....just as pure as God). The law of God is spiritual...at the standard of perfection in holiness. Without Christ to empower us....we can only ever hope to not break the PHYSICAL requirements of the law. (By the fear of the Lord)

Missing the point I see. And you're adding things in that the scriptures are not saying.

The point is that Romans 3 is the context for Romans 4....it's all speaking to and about Christians.

 

[Lizbeth]

As in..look I'm not reading this for self-interest.....but hey look, my self-interest is satisfied anyway! Isn't that special?!?

The flesh can't help itself...

Missed the point again. The point is that Romans 4 is clearly talking about Christians.

Although I suspect you are just ignoring the point and are deflecting with these posts because you have no way to rebut the point which is quite obvious to an impartial reader.

 

[Lizbeth]

Just like looking at every reference to eternal, we need to include all the references to hope.

Biblical hope is not wistful, uncertain, like the way we use the word. In Scripture, our hope is "the expected outcome of our faith", that is, Jesus promised resurrection if I trust in Him. I trust in Him, I believe His promise, and so I'm expecting that I will be resurrected. My hope is the resurrection.

That we hope is to say, we are waiting for what we believe is coming because we believe Him Who promised.

God has a hope,

Romans 8:20-21 KJV
20) For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21) Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

God has no uncertainty, only a sure expectation.

Much love!

I have all hope and faith that God is ABLE to perform that which He promised. But on the other hand I am not taking for granted that I will be accounted worthy. We are to work out our salvation....with fear and trembling. And pray to be accounted worthy.

 

[marks]

And pray to be accounted worthy.

An interesting passage that Jesus spoke to His kinsmen that many Christians have applied wrongly to themselves. Many also use that as a "rapture" verse, which it's not.

I have all hope and faith that God is ABLE to perform that which He promised.

He is certainly able, maybe the question is, will He?

We are to work out our salvation....with fear and trembling.

We work out what God works in, but is this to "maintain our salvation"? I don't see it that way myself. Not only would that contradict other passages, but it's also in the words katergadzomai - work out your salvation - and ergon - for it is God who works within you, to will and do do what pleases Him.

God is renewing us, and we are to cooperate, with fear and trembling. But what is it we are trembling over? Getting kicked out of Christ? Or leaving valuable works of God that were to be done through us undone for our lack of diligence?

Much love!

 

[Lizbeth]

An interesting passage that Jesus spoke to His kinsmen that many Christians have applied wrongly to themselves. Many also use that as a "rapture" verse, which it's not.


He is certainly able, maybe the question is, will He?


We work out what God works in, but is this to "maintain our salvation"? I don't see it that way myself. Not only would that contradict other passages, but it's also in the words katergadzomai - work out your salvation - and ergon - for it is God who works within you, to will and do do what pleases Him.

God is renewing us, and we are to cooperate, with fear and trembling. But what is it we are trembling over? Getting kicked out of Christ? Or leaving valuable works of God that were to be done through us undone for our lack of diligence?

Much love!

Brother, my fear is of the Lord. And I believe He is worthy to be feared because He is a great King who has the power of life and death in His hands. I think when we start to take notice of things in the bible like the fear the Lord and things that warn of consequences, etc, then we are beginning to grow and get into the meat of the word, whereas the things that are easier to take is the milk. Not that there is anything wrong with that milk, but His word is a living word so He will feed us what we need and what is age-appropriate for us at any given time........sometimes we need encouragement so He encourages us with those reassurances and reminders, but other times we need to be strengthened by warning or rebuke, how I see it. Think it depends on what He is trying to get at in our life and heart too, at any given time. He chastises who He loves as sons...that we may partake of His holiness.