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In our country the northern people are called Inuit...or Dene ....not Eskimo. ;)

Yeah but it's just a screen name. I lied about my location, it isnt Columbus! It's a way smaller town, but I am from Columbus. I don't see that as a big deal. I do seem to make many of the gays angry talking to them, lol. You never know when someone will want to look you up!

Am I hard on spoiled carnal people who refuse to get off their own self-interest?

I think so. you come across very pious at times. (many times). That's not really in our Job Description as Christians, is it? Spread the Gospel. Spread the good news and be encouraging to those who in the faith or unbelievers. This entire Earth is God's University of Brotherly Love. Where we were sent to learn how to love our neighbor and God, properly.

Don't misunderstand me though and think that I'm just talking down to you, because I have heard you say a lot of things that are truth. But a few things you are way out there on. Which doesnt really mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Nobody is perfect yet.

Is it OK to rebuke a self-seeker in order to wake them up to the truth? Or are we all to just sleep quietly into eternal judgment?

It is always good to speak the truth and the truth will absolutely offend some people who are having different sorts of problems and find the truth panful to hear. When they read it, their conscience attacks them and says, That's you! Stop it! Because that's what God does and how it works.

What does the devil want us to do? What would Jesus do? No one likes to be awakened from a deep sleep. Was Lazarus happy to be raised from the dead? Maybe not right away...

The devil wants to stop from letting your light so shine before the world. So he puts thoughts in your head which are demeaning in nature and not in love. And it sounds like most the time, you post impulsively and in sarcasm. What purpose does that serve for you? It's putting a basket over your candle. Hmm, I think scripture talks about that! (But you know that).

When I first got online lol, I was so sarcastic with people! I was right and knew I was right and if I beat them over the head with scripture then they'll perhaps fall in line...Lol! I got banned from a few boards. Then the Lord took me aside and taught, don't be like that. People will not receive the truth if it is delivered with a hammer. People will receive the truth if they receive it in love.
And so I went (Yikes) and did my best to learn to speak Diplomat. I'm getting better at it, but still have a ways to go because I grew up cursing everything we saw and did, a foul mouth kid. Me & my friends used to play the Dozens constantly, lol. ANd as I grew up it didn't really get better, I just got more precise. And having a delivery for your (or mine) words it will either...carry a negative connotation or a positive connotation to it. And the more I mature and the more I learn about the Lord...the more I understand that our goal is love learning and spreading and nothing else. So I try to let the truth speak it's own adminishments into peoples hearts and persevere to keep my added sarcasm and hammer antics...out of it!

WHen I did that it was like I took the basket off of the candle so the light coulfd be seen. All you are suposed to do Brother, is plant seeds. We plant the seeds, the Holy Spirit will water them into mens hearts! SO evenn when those younger in the faith insult you, you have to be able to let it slide off of you. They'll catch up eventually. Because if their yellig at you, then you planted a seed! Right? I know I am! SO let it go. Learn to speak Diplomat and to judge less.

I'm in it for the long game. Short term unpleasantness for eternal rejoicing.

Are you also just looking for temporal pleasures and quick ego boosts? Or are you really a seeker of God? :rolleyes:

Amen! I too am in it for the long haul. We are Spirit Beings on a Human journey going to a School of the Lord God to learn how to Love properly, the way Jesus did. With a minor in...Delayed Gratification! God bless my Parents for teaching me to be patient. You want an expensive toy boy? Save up your allowance and buy it! Our Talents upon earth are only on loan from our Master, the Lord. That's all explained in the parable of the Talents. Now the Talent, is not a seed, nor to be put into the earth and saved. Until the Lord returns, we wave the Talent in the air and multiply it for the Lord with people, souls. I dont want to show up alone. I want to be able to say, Lord, look who I brought with me! Long haul? Try Eternity! They say the hardest part about being a spiritual being is the first 100 years.

You obviously have a lot of talent. I read many of your posts. You speak some very good truths at times, and other times not. You need to polish your delivery in my estimation.


You know what a good side effect is of learning to speak Diplomat? You find yourself asking yourself, hmm, could I have said that better and and not angered that guy or gal? If I rephrased it to be more diplomatic, what would they say then? SO I couldnt help but try to see the others point with no preconceptions to try to understand their line of reasoning and what they said. And when I did this, something magical happened. I learned new a couple new things and learned that I really hd been wrong about a couple things. So it made me more Teachable, a better student, a brighter spiritual being, and more profitable for the Lord. EVerybody wins when you remain teachable.

Even the Teacher has to be teachable. And what better place for a Teacher to be able to learn from her students is in school with all those kids! Have you ever learned anything from something a kid said? I have. I've always loved kids and playing with them and talking with them. Kids say the darndest things some times! Now that I walk with the Lord, it makes me wonder. If the children are closer to the Lord naturally because they just left there to be born here! (He knew us before He formed (our body) in the womb, so the kids spirits are in heaven before being born and enter the body...prolly at conception but for sure when the baby is born and takes his first breath. makes sense either way.

My kids are grown now though. I dont get to hang out with kids anymore. :( but have you ever asked your two week old baby about Jesus?! (The book of Enoch says that Noah was born speaking Praises to God and glowing! It scared the pee out of everyone in the house and so they went to grandpa Enoch to ask him what do we do now? And Enoch told them, everythings fine dont be afraid. This is God that has done this.)
 

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Yeah but it's just a screen name. I lied about my location, it isnt Columbus! It's a way smaller town, but I am from Columbus. I don't see that as a big deal. I do seem to make many of the gays angry talking to them, lol. You never know when someone will want to look you up!



I think so. you come across very pious at times. (many times). That's not really in our Job Description as Christians, is it? Spread the Gospel. Spread the good news and be encouraging to those who in the faith or unbelievers. This entire Earth is God's University of Brotherly Love. Where we were sent to learn how to love our neighbor and God, properly.

Don't misunderstand me though and think that I'm just talking down to you, because I have heard you say a lot of things that are truth. But a few things you are way out there on. Which doesnt really mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Nobody is perfect yet.



It is always good to speak the truth and the truth will absolutely offend some people who are having different sorts of problems and find the truth panful to hear. When they read it, their conscience attacks them and says, That's you! Stop it! Because that's what God does and how it works.



The devil wants to stop from letting your light so shine before the world. So he puts thoughts in your head which are demeaning in nature and not in love. And it sounds like most the time, you post impulsively and in sarcasm. What purpose does that serve for you? It's putting a basket over your candle. Hmm, I think scripture talks about that! (But you know that).

When I first got online lol, I was so sarcastic with people! I was right and knew I was right and if I beat them over the head with scripture then they'll perhaps fall in line...Lol! I got banned from a few boards. Then the Lord took me aside and taught, don't be like that. People will not receive the truth if it is delivered with a hammer. People will receive the truth if they receive it in love.
And so I went (Yikes) and did my best to learn to speak Diplomat. I'm getting better at it, but still have a ways to go because I grew up cursing everything we saw and did, a foul mouth kid. Me & my friends used to play the Dozens constantly, lol. ANd as I grew up it didn't really get better, I just got more precise. And having a delivery for your (or mine) words it will either...carry a negative connotation or a positive connotation to it. And the more I mature and the more I learn about the Lord...the more I understand that our goal is love learning and spreading and nothing else. So I try to let the truth speak it's own adminishments into peoples hearts and persevere to keep my added sarcasm and hammer antics...out of it!

WHen I did that it was like I took the basket off of the candle so the light coulfd be seen. All you are suposed to do Brother, is plant seeds. We plant the seeds, the Holy Spirit will water them into mens hearts! SO evenn when those younger in the faith insult you, you have to be able to let it slide off of you. They'll catch up eventually. Because if their yellig at you, then you planted a seed! Right? I know I am! SO let it go. Learn to speak Diplomat and to judge less.



Amen! I too am in it for the long haul. We are Spirit Beings on a Human journey going to a School of the Lord God to learn how to Love properly, the way Jesus did. With a minor in...Delayed Gratification! God bless my Parents for teaching me to be patient. You want an expensive toy boy? Save up your allowance and buy it! Our Talents upon earth are only on loan from our Master, the Lord. That's all explained in the parable of the Talents. Now the Talent, is not a seed, nor to be put into the earth and saved. Until the Lord returns, we wave the Talent in the air and multiply it for the Lord with people, souls. I dont want to show up alone. I want to be able to say, Lord, look who I brought with me! Long haul? Try Eternity! They say the hardest part about being a spiritual being is the first 100 years.

You obviously have a lot of talent. I read many of your posts. You speak some very good truths at times, and other times not. You need to polish your delivery in my estimation.


You know what a good side effect is of learning to speak Diplomat? You find yourself asking yourself, hmm, could I have said that better and and not angered that guy or gal? If I rephrased it to be more diplomatic, what would they say then? SO I couldnt help but try to see the others point with no preconceptions to try to understand their line of reasoning and what they said. And when I did this, something magical happened. I learned new a couple new things and learned that I really hd been wrong about a couple things. So it made me more Teachable, a better student, a brighter spiritual being, and more profitable for the Lord. EVerybody wins when you remain teachable.

Even the Teacher has to be teachable. And what better place for a Teacher to be able to learn from her students is in school with all those kids! Have you ever learned anything from something a kid said? I have. I've always loved kids and playing with them and talking with them. Kids say the darndest things some times! Now that I walk with the Lord, it makes me wonder. If the children are closer to the Lord naturally because they just left there to be born here! (He knew us before He formed (our body) in the womb, so the kids spirits are in heaven before being born and enter the body...prolly at conception but for sure when the baby is born and takes his first breath. makes sense either way.

My kids are grown now though. I dont get to hang out with kids anymore. :( but have you ever asked your two week old baby about Jesus?! (The book of Enoch says that Noah was born speaking Praises to God and glowing! It scared the pee out of everyone in the house and so they went to grandpa Enoch to ask him what do we do now? And Enoch told them, everythings fine dont be afraid. This is God that has done this.)
There is too much here to respond to. I would stick with the part where you say you think some things I say are right and some are wrong. What do you base either one of these aspects on? What exactly do you find right and wrong? I think that's more helpful rather than getting too sidetracked...we don't know each other...and our judgments can be easily diverted by appearances. So I don't know how much value any of your comments have...unless I see where you are coming from...obviously not Columbus... :)

Make a list and check it twice. ;)

Sometimes what SOUNDS right is not so,...and vice versa. This forum is a good place to hash these things out. And you can do it anonymously. That's a bonus for some people. Keep it theoretical if you want.
 
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I'm expecting a new pistol. If I dont have some unexpected expenses, I hope I'll have it by the end of this month.


Do we hope for things already obtained?

1Peter 1:3,
- blessed by the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ which according to His abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope(expectation) by the ressurection of Jesus Christ from the dead

Titus 1:2,
- in hope(expectation) of eternal life, which God that cannot lie promised before the world began

Eternal life is now or hoped for in the future? What sayeth the Scriptures?
1 John 5: 11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has [d]life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, [e]and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
 

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Love this scripture, Epi,xx

Galatians 6:8
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
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New International Version
Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

New Living Translation
Those who live only to satisfy their own sinful nature will harvest decay and death from that sinful nature. But those who live to please the Spirit will harvest everlasting life from the Spirit.

English Standard Version
For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

Berean Standard Bible
The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; but the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
 
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that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
John gives the condition for those who have eternal life.
Those who CONTINUE to believe in Jesus.
Therefore by putting all the Scriptures together on the subject of eternal life the right conclusion is,
It is future because it is hoped for.

It is conditional because of faith.

It is a guaranteed expectation for those who continue to believe in Jesus.
 

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Not referring to Lizbeth here.

Just talking about self.

Epi, our self is obsessed with it self...it needs to be brought under control by the Spirit.

Nothing Biblical, just my thoughts.xx

See? She gets it.

When I have a problem with someone, it is they have a problem. This is true 99.999% of the time.
But when Everyone has a problem, I have to ask myself, could I be the problem?!

Remember the Cherokee Proverb about the two Wolves inside every man that are fighting always? Which one wins? The one you feed! The good Wolf is our spirit. The bad Wolf is our soul which is attached to each other and can not be seperated by us. They could only ever be seperated by the Word or IOW, by God Himself.

We are stuck in the middle with our mind and are the one responsible to make the decisions of what to do. The spirit and soul (good wolf/badwolf) fight to control the flesh body. Ok we're a being comprised of a spirit and a soul together with our mind sort of stacked on top of it all. We get signals from both our soul about the world (through our 5 senses), And we get signals from our spirit and it's 5 senses (makes sense.) Our spirit talks directly with God (Good Wolf). then we decide which direction that the flesh body walks and the things you direct it to do.
Did you listen to your soul and sleep with your friends spouse just because they came on to you and made you know, it's available? This would let the caral flesh (soul/bad wolf) win. But I know you were getting signals from the good wolf also. At least from your conscience and your (spiritual) heart. Dont do it, that would violate the man code. (I dunno if women have a code, lol), but Guys don't sleep with their Friends girls! Even if the girl tries! That's been a rule of honor in my mind. It's like an unwritten code that people (used to be) taught at home. I was? I guess I got lucky.
But when you were on earth aside from all the thinking and all your questions, what did you actually do?
Well...

Romans 7:19-22
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:.../KJV

If you do what the soul wants to do then you are feeding the Bad Wolf.
If you listen to your conscience and do the right thing, then that is feeding the Good Wolf!!!!

I dont like screwing friends over. And that means the spirit too, it means the Lord. It must of been the combination of reading those books as child about Knights and Princesses and Kings and Honor and all that and my parents that somehow I gew up with a limited sense of honor and wanted to do the right thing. I had mixed success with it of course. I walked away from being able to cheat with my friends girl who came on to me. Violate the buddy code? That would take away honor from me. He might want to hurt me for doing it (or her?) Everybody loses. It was hard for me to say no to her because she was young and desireable and pretty and all that, but what your Boyfriend? My friend? I did want her but I wanted to keep my honor with this man, so I walked away and was slightly trembling she was so pretty. We were good friends though. That means something even if one is not walking with the Lord. It did to me so that feels good to me.

Now that I walk with the Lord I try not to sin at all, it isn't hard to say no all the time, just sometimes, lol. But we can not neglect allowing our spirit (conscience) to make the decisions of what the body does. It isnt difficult to cultivate a sense of honor. WHen we read the word of God or pray, we are feeding the Good Wolf (our spirit) so he grows stronger. When we agree with our spirit (conscience) we exercise our spirit!

Feed the good wolf and read the Word. Exercise him by doing the right thing and by good deeds for others!
They call that being led by the Spirit !! And that is obedience. Obedience is rewarded so it pays to do the right thing! You will be Blessed. While you continue to grow closer to the Lord...
 

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John gives the condition for those who have eternal life.
Those who CONTINUE to believe in Jesus.
Therefore by putting all the Scriptures together on the subject of eternal life the right conclusion is,
It is future because it is hoped for.

It is conditional because of faith.

It is a guaranteed expectation for those who continue to believe in Jesus.
I disagree.

He said he write to let us know we HAVE eternal life (I have it right now)

and it is BECAUSE I know I have it, that I have the power to continue to believe in his name.

If I have to do something to keep it. It is not really a hope. because my hope is that I will continue to do what is required.. in reality, my hope is in self. Not the promise of God.
 
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There is too much here to respond to. I would stick with the part where you say you think some things I say are right and some are wrong. What do you base either one of these aspects on? What exactly do you find right and wrong? I think that's more helpful rather than getting too sidetracked...we don't know each other...and our judgments can be easily diverted by appearances. So I don't know how much value any of your comments have...unless I see where you are coming from...obviously not Columbus... :)

Make a list and check it twice. ;)

Sometimes what SOUNDS right is not so,...and vice versa. This forum is a good place to hash these things out. And you can do it anonymously. That's a bonus for some people. Keep it theoretical if you want.

That sounds like a dodge to me bro. Did you even read it? " What exactly do you find right and wrong?" that the question on the table (to you). If I answered it for you then we cant call this a discussion. It would be one sided. I gave you my answer. It is long, sorry but it just flowed out. So that is my answer to you. What do you say to my answer to you? You asked a few questions...and I gave you my answer.

ow it's your turn...!! Geez.
 
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There is a depth to the ways of Gd that many don't realize. We can sow to the flesh even as we read the bible. How so? When we are looking to boost our own religious certainties we are NOT sowing to the Spirit (God is self-LESS) ...rather, we are sowing to the flesh AND that results in death (a separation from God).
 
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That sounds like a dodge to me bro. Did you even read it? " What exactly do you find right and wrong?" that the question on the table (to you). If I answered it for you then we cant call this a discussion. It would be one sided. I gave you my answer. It is long, sorry but it just flowed out. So that is my answer to you. What do you say to my answer to you? You asked a few questions...and I gave you my answer.

ow it's your turn...!! Geez.
I read a lot of carnal people's various appraisals. I am inviting you to stop with the knee jerk reactions, feelings, and surmisings.....and engage in the biblical doctrines through the text.

I sound hard because I have little to nothing to work with that isn't based on human appraisals that fail the truth.

You don't like the way I rebuke or correct. Well I have 8 children that may concur. But these are all very successful. There is a difference between being a father and a mother. Modern people hate fathers and love to be mothered. Just look at the church of today.

So maybe I am more of a father than a mother.

As I stated, if you want me to take you seriously...provide the reasons for what you say is either right or wrong. Don't sweat the feelings part.

Maybe you hate the truth. Maybe you have an affinity for truthful sounding things. Maybe you are led by feelings and NOT the Spirit? Unless you lay out your own basis for saying what you do...I remain neutral in your regard.

A sinner HATES to be rebuked. A wise person LOVES when he/she is rebuked or corrected...because that is the way of growth.

Which are you? Expose your own process.

I will take a guess at what you think I'm saying that is WRONG. I speak against the assurance of salvation..because it is so often premature. Instead it is a religious certainty that poses for a true assurance. Even then, a saint is NOT relying on assurances but considers himself an unfruitful slave. It is that very assurance that leads people to weep and gnash their teeth upon realizing just how duped they were.

See your unwillingness to be transparent and my trying to tease out some honesty from you... ;)
 
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I disagree.

He said he write to let us know we HAVE eternal life (I have it right now)

and it is BECAUSE I know I have it, that I have the power to continue to believe in his name.

If I have to do something to keep it. It is not really a hope. because my hope is that I will continue to do what is required.. in reality, my hope is in self. Not the promise of God.
What you are doing is taking one scripture and contradicting another.
You cannot understand the Scriptures unless all verses on eternal are studied.

John said we have eternal life by continuing to believe.
Titus said we hope for it
Peter said it is hoped for.

Do you think unbelievers have eternal life?
 

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There is a depth to the ways of Gd that many don't realize. We can sow to the flesh even as we read the bible. How so? When we are looking to boost our own religious certainties we are NOT sowing to the Spirit (God is self-LESS) ...rather, we are sowing to the flesh AND that results in death (a separation from God).
Good post...if we keep sowing to the flesh how can we hear God, we can’t. and yes we do separate ourselves from God’s Spirit..".we cant hear him when we’re obsessed with our old mindset...which is the SELF!

Self must die...it’s taken years for the Spirit to get me to this understanding, no problem, I’m not a teacher and all I have is simple faith.xx

Just my opinion and thoughts.
 
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What you are doing is taking one scripture and contradicting another.
You cannot understand the Scriptures unless all verses on eternal are studied.

John said we have eternal life by continuing to believe.
Titus said we hope for it
Peter said it is hoped for.

Do you think unbelievers have eternal life?
No Actually I did no such thing

Titus did say we hope for it. The author of hebrews said faith is the substance of things hoped for.

I have this hope that I have eternal life. that is where my faith lies..It was promised before time began

John said we have it.. John did not contradict anyone.

1 John 5: 11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

1. God has already given it to us (past tense)

1 John 5 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

2. John said he wrote all these things so I can know I HAVE IT. If I do not yet have it, Well then I can not know I have it.

the reason we can trust God and continue to have faith is because we have the hope and assurance that God will keep his promise.
 
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Titus said we hope for it
Peter said it is hoped for.
Just like looking at every reference to eternal, we need to include all the references to hope.

Biblical hope is not wistful, uncertain, like the way we use the word. In Scripture, our hope is "the expected outcome of our faith", that is, Jesus promised resurrection if I trust in Him. I trust in Him, I believe His promise, and so I'm expecting that I will be resurrected. My hope is the resurrection.

That we hope is to say, we are waiting for what we believe is coming because we believe Him Who promised.

God has a hope,

Romans 8:20-21 KJV
20) For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21) Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

God has no uncertainty, only a sure expectation.

Much love!
 

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No Actually I did no such thing
Did I accuse you of something?

I have this hope that I have eternal life. that is where my faith lies..It was promised before time began
You hope for life in this life?
You dont understand hope.
You already have life in this life. No one hopes for life if they already obtained it.

Hope is future. Instead of telling me I'm wrong , how about putting a month in just studying hope for eternal life.
Study hope in Titus 1:2,

1 John 5: 11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has [d]life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, [e]and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
You quote John 1 5:11-13

Stay in the context of the whole chapter.
You quoted verse 13,
- that ye may know that you have eternal life and that you may CONTINUE to believe in the name of the Son of God

You claim John is teaching you as a believer have already obtained eternal life.
You just eliminated hope of eternal life.
John says that eternal life is conditioned on continuing to believe.

Go back in the same chapter to verse 10,
- He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself
he that believeth not hath made Him a liar because he believeth not the record that God gave of His Son
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- and this is the record that God hath given to us eternal life and this life is in His Son

So know we see what John is teaching.
John is teaching you have eternal life by continuing in belief.

You think eternal life is not conditioned on continuing to believe?
You missed what John is teaching in chapter 5.
Eternal life for those who continue to believe in Jesus.
No hope for eternal life if you stop believing.
John refutes your OSAS.
Titus 1:2 refutes your OSAS
And Peter does also
 

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Biblical hope is not wistful, uncertain, like the way we use the word.
Go back and re-read my first post.
I dont teach uncertain.
Titus 1:2,
- hope(expectation) eternal life

I teach it is expected.
Also conditional.
You dont hope for things you already obtained.
The hope a Christian has is certain as long as he meets Gods conditions.
Like John teaching you must continue in faith. Only then is eternal life a guarantee.
 
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Just like looking at every reference to eternal, we need to include all the references to hope.

Biblical hope is not wistful, uncertain, like the way we use the word. In Scripture, our hope is "the expected outcome of our faith", that is, Jesus promised resurrection if I trust in Him. I trust in Him, I believe His promise, and so I'm expecting that I will be resurrected. My hope is the resurrection.

That we hope is to say, we are waiting for what we believe is coming because we believe Him Who promised.

God has a hope,

Romans 8:20-21 KJV
20) For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21) Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

God has no uncertainty, only a sure expectation.

Much love!
Which is the peace of God that surpasses all understanding..
 

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Did I accuse you of something?
you tell me


What you are doing is taking one scripture and contradicting another.


You hope for life in this life?
You dont understand hope.
You already have life in this life. No one hopes for life if they already obtained it.
No. I hope for eternal life. Which God, who can not lie, promised before time began.

Romans 5:5

Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

Romans 8:24 - 25
For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees?
But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.

Colossians 1:5
because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel,

Titus 1:2
in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began,

Titus 2:13
looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

Titus 3:7
that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


Hope is future. Instead of telling me I'm wrong , how about putting a month in just studying hope for eternal life.
Study hope in Titus 1:2,
Been studying it for 40 years.

Why do you want to take my Hope (faith and assurance) away?
You quote John 1 5:11-13

Stay in the context of the whole chapter.
You quoted verse 13,
- that ye may know that you have eternal life and that you may CONTINUE to believe in the name of the Son of God

You claim John is teaching you as a believer have already obtained eternal life.
You just eliminated hope of eternal life.
John says that eternal life is conditioned on continuing to believe.

Go back in the same chapter to verse 10,
- He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself
he that believeth not hath made Him a liar because he believeth not the record that God gave of His Son
11,
- and this is the record that God hath given to us eternal life and this life is in His Son

So know we see what John is teaching.
John is teaching you have eternal life by continuing in belief.

You think eternal life is not conditioned on continuing to believe?
You missed what John is teaching in chapter 5.
Eternal life for those who continue to believe in Jesus.
No hope for eternal life if you stop believing.
John refutes your OSAS.
Titus 1:2 refutes your OSAS
And Peter does also
Your trying to take away our hope and our assurance. which means you are taking away faithg

Jain said we have eternal life.. Twist it however you want. Your teaching God is a liar and there is no hope at all other than in us..

If your angry at OSAS because you hate calvinism, I will be there with you.

But don;t reject eternal security in christ because you hate calvinism,