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If the Judaean Christians had listened to you, they would have perished.

Instead, they listened to Luke, and survived.

Who got it right?

1. You
2. Luke and the Judaean Christians

Need a hint? :laughing:
If you want to believe the heavens departed as a scroll being rolled together in the first century,you welcome to believe such foolishness.
 

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Isaiah 34
4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
And you believe God destroyed all nations in the first century?

Isaiah ,34:2
2 For the indignation of the Lord is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
 

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WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS

Matthew: “And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars. See that ye be not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom” (24:6, 7).
Mark: “And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled; for such things must needs be, but the end is not yet, For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom” (13:7, 8).
Luke: “But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified; for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by [immediately]. Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom” (21:9, 10).

We are told that when Jesus gave this prophecy, the Roman Empire was experiencing a general peace within its borders. But Jesus explained to his disciples that they would be hearing of wars, rumors of wars, and commotions. And did they? Yes, within a short time the Empire was filled with strife, insurrection, and wars.

Before the fall of Jerusalem, four Emperors came to violent deaths within the space of 18 months. According to the historian Suetonius (who lived during the latter part of the first century and the beginning of the second), Nero “drove a dagger into his throat.” Galba was run down by horsemen. A soldier cut off his head and “thrusting his thumb into the mouth”, carried the horrid trophy about. Otho “stabbed himself” in the breast. Vitellius was killed by slow torture and then “dragged by a hook into the Tiber.” We can understand that such fate falling on the Emperors would naturally spread distress and insecurity through the Empire.

In the Annals of Tacitus, a Roman who wrote a history which covers the period prior to 70 A. D., we find such expressions as these “Disturbances in Germany”, “commotions in Africa”, “commotions in Thrace”, “insurrections in Gaul”, “intrigues among the Parthians”, “the war in Britain”, “war in Armenia.”

Among the Jews, the times became turbulent. In Seleucia, 50,000 Jews were killed. There was an uprising against them in Alexandria. In a battle between the Jews and Syrians in Caesarea, 20,000 were killed. During these times, Caligula ordered his statue placed in the temple at Jerusalem. The Jews refused to do this and lived in constant fear that the Emperor’s armies would be sent into Palestine. This fear became so real that some of them did not even bother to till their fields.

But though there would be wars, rumours of wars, and commotions, Jesus told his disciples: “See that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the END is not yet.” The word “end” that is used here is not the same Greek word as in the expression “end of the world.” (See footnote on page 59). As Barnes says, the end here referred to is “the end of the Jewish economy; the destruction of Jerusalem.”

Wars, rumors of wars, and commotions were of a general nature. These things were not signs of the end; to the contrary, they were given to show that the end was NOT yet. None of these things would be the sign which would cause the disciples to flee into the mountains.

FAMINES, PESTILENCES, EARTHQUAKES

Matthew: “And there shall be famines and pestilences, and earthquakes in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows” (24:7, 8).
Mark: “And there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles. These are the beginning of sorrows” (13:8).
Luke: “And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines and pestilences, and fearful sights” (21:11).

The Bible records that there was famine “throughout all the world. . . in the days of Claudius Caesar” (Acts 11:28). Judea was especially hard hit by famine. “The disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethern which dwelt in Judaea” (verse 29). Paul’s instructions concerning this “collection [of fruit] for the saints” is recorded in First Corinthians 16:1-5; Rom. 15:25-28.

Historians such as Suetonius and others mention famine during those years. Tacitus speaks of a “Failure in the crops, and a famine consequent thereupon.” Eusebius also mentions famines during this time in Home, Judea, and Greece. Yes, there were famines in those years before the fall of Jerusalem.

Along with famines, Jesus mentioned pestilences; that is plagues, the spread of disease, epidemics. Famine and pestilence, of course, go hand in hand. When people do not have proper food or insufficient food, pestilence results. Suetonius wrote of “pestilence” at Home in the days of Nero which was so severe that “within the space of one autumn there died no less than 30,000 persons.” Josephus records that pestilences raged in Babylonia in A.D. 40. Tacitus tells of pestilences in Italy in A. D. 66. Yes, there were pestilences in those years before the destruction of Jerusalem.

During this period, Jesus said there would also be earthquakes in many places. Tacitus mentions earthquakes at Rome. He wrote that “frequent earthquakes occured, by which many houses were thrown down” and that “twelve populous cities of Asia fell in ruins from an earthquake.”

Seneca, writing in the year 58 A. D., said: “How often have cities of Asia and Achaea fallen with one fatal shock! how many cities have been swallowed up in Syria! how many in Macedonia! how often has Cyprus been wasted by this calamity! how often has Paphos become a ruin! News has often been brought us of the demolition of whole cities at once.” He mentions the earthquake at Campania during the reign of Nero. In 60 A. D., Hierapous, Colosse, and Laodicea were overthrown — Laodocia being so self-sufficient that it recovered without the Imperial aid furnished other cities. In 63 A. D., the city of Pompeii was greatly damaged by earthquake. There were earthquakes in Crete, Apamea, Smyrna, Miletus, Chios, Samos, and Judea. Earthquakes in divers places.

Great Prophecies of the Bible
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Sounds like the Holocaust was a greater tribulation for the Jews than 70.AD.
 

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Do you have any idea what you're babbling about?
I'm talking about Luke 21 and revelation 6.

End times prophecies .
When nation rises against nation and causes great earthquakes and fearful signs in the heavens as there was in Hiroshima.

Things that didn't take place in the first century.
Things you can not comprehend.
 
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Things you can not comprehend.
Right, that is the problem for those who like to believe nothing much will happen before Jesus Returns.
Believing the Prophesies are past history, or worse; that they will be raptured outta here, leads to the Lord placing a spirit of stupor and closing the Book to them. Isaiah 29:9-12

The next Prophesies event will be the Sixth Seal, triggered by an attempt by Iran to send nuke missiles to Israel. Psalms 7:12-16
 

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Right, that is the problem for those who like to believe nothing much will happen before Jesus Returns.
Believing the Prophesies are past history, or worse; that they will be raptured outta here, leads to the Lord placing a spirit of stupor and closing the Book to them. Isaiah 29:9-12

The next Prophesies event will be the Sixth Seal, triggered by an attempt by Iran to send nuke missiles to Israel. Psalms 7:12-16
If you actually read passages like Matthew 24:9-13, Matthew 24:23-26, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 and 1 Timothy 4:1-3 you would see that a whole lot of deception, persecution, apostasy and wickedness will occur before Jesus returns which you never say anything about. That says it all about your misplaced perspective of the times before Jesus returns. Instead, your focus is on nuclear missiles and CMEs.
 

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Sounds like the Holocaust was a greater tribulation for the Jews than 70.AD.
Sounds like you have no idea what happened in 70 AD.

Ask any historically-aware Jew if he'd rather have been gassed in WWII, or if he'd rather have been crucified in 70 AD.

Tell us what he says.
 
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If you want to believe the heavens departed as a scroll being rolled together in the first century,you welcome to believe such foolishness.
You still haven't told us why Luke and the Judaean Christians got it right, and you got it wrong.
 

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Sounds like you have no idea what happened in 70 AD.

Ask any historically-aware Jew if he'd rather have been gassed in WWII, or if he'd rather have been crucified in 70 AD.

Tell us what he says.
There's a lot more happened than just being gassed.
Do you know anything about the 6 million Jews who died in the Holocaust?
That's about 5 million more than died in 70 ad.
 
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You still haven't told us why Luke and the Judaean Christians got it right, and you got it wrong.

I'm not sure what you are saying happened to Luke.From what I've learned of him he died between 84-100 ad and he spent a lot of time with Paul according to the early church.

I know he didn't need to worry about the Romans making earthquakes and fearful signs in the heavens.
 

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I'm not sure what you are saying happened to Luke.From what I've learned of him he died between 84-100 ad and he spent a lot of time with Paul according to the early church.

I know he didn't need to worry about the Romans making earthquakes and fearful signs in the heavens.
I'm not sure why you don't know what Luke said in Luke 21:20-21.
 

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Can you quote anyone in the bible or any other witnesses who testified of seeing the heavens depart from.the earth like a scroll being rolled together other than John who also prophecied of the day of the Lord?
Job 14:12 KJB - So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. (see “heaven”: Mat. 24:35; Mar. 13:31; Luk. 21:33; 2 Pet. 3:10; Isa. 34:4; Rev. 6:14 KJB)

Job 14:13 KJB - O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! (see “wrath” = 7 last plagues; Rev. 15:1, 16:1,19 KJB)

Job 14:14 KJB - If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. (see 1 Cor. 15:50-58; Luk. 14:14 KJB)

Job 14:15 KJB - Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands. (see “call”: 1 Thes. 4:16; Psa. 50:4; Isa. 25:8-9 KJB)
 
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A relatively quick death compared to crucifixion.
It depends how long the Nazis wanted to keep someone alive.
I million Jews compared to 6 million.

And you believe the greater tribulation was 1 million Jews in 70 ad compared to 6 million Jews and 80 million gentiles in WW2.