Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

[One 2 question]

Dear Christian Soldier,
You are right, we are at "opposite ends". You are following Satan who is masquerading as Christ to you. I am following the true Christ. Someday after Christ has given you the "knowledge of the truth", you will see the true Christ, too.

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

There is no point in continuing our discussion at this time.

Joe

Isn't it great to have this truth with us that no one can take away. This truth that grows so strong sending its roots down deep within us. It become so consuming that it permeates every area of our life, shaping us, what we believe and how we live out our daily life. It is truly amazing that God has planted this seed of truth that will impact our life forever.

We can't help sharing this truth with those we encounter as it is something that naturally and automatically just exudes out of us. All glory and praise to the Divine Gardener Who sows His seeds of truth and tends to it so it becomes established and bears its fruit.

Mockers seem to have no effect on the seeds of truth planted in us, in fact their efforts only serve to aid it growth and development. Glory to God for He never fails to achieve what He sets out to do.

I love the truth that the zeal of the sovereign Creators will achieve what They have always planned to do. Nothing or no one can prevent Them from carrying out Their script. Now that is something worth shouting from the mountain tops!

Oh the knowledge of this truth that Father's constant intent to be a pleasure to His Son, doing all that He does for His Son's pleasure overflows to me when I consider such a brilliant truth as this. And that Father's Son has a constant intent to be a pleasure to His Father, doing all that He does for His pleasure. This too overflows to me, where deep waters of pleasure well up within me as I consider this brilliant truth.

Ohhhh the never ending Divine dance of Father and Son that produces exceedingly abundant joy and pleasure to us, the audience. This is fantastic!!!

I can only try to imagine the joy and pleasure They are experiencing right now as They continue to dance Their way through eternity.

 

[FaithWillDo]

Isn't it great to have this truth with us that no one can take away. This truth that grows so strong sending its roots down deep within us. It become so consuming that it permeates every area of our life, shaping us, what we believe and how we live out our daily life. It is truly amazing that God has planted this seed of truth that will impact our life forever.

We can't help sharing this truth with those we encounter as it is something that naturally and automatically just exudes out of us. All glory and praise to the Divine Gardener Who sows His seeds of truth and tends to it so it becomes established and bears its fruit.

Mockers seem to have no effect on the seeds of truth planted in us, in fact their efforts only serve to aid it growth and development. Glory to God for He never fails to achieve what He sets out to do.

I love the truth that the zeal of the sovereign Creators will achieve what They have always planned to do. Nothing or no one can prevent Them from carrying out Their script. Now that is something worth shouting from the mountain tops!

Oh the knowledge of this truth that Father's constant intent to be a pleasure to His Son, doing all that He does for His Son's pleasure overflows to me when I consider such a brilliant truth as this. And that Father's Son has a constant intent to be a pleasure to His Father, doing all that He does for His pleasure. This too overflows to me where I deep waters of pleasure well up within me when I consider this brilliant truth.

Ohhhh the never ending Divine dance of Father and Son that produces exceedingly abundant joy and pleasure to us, the audience. This is fantastic!!!

I can only try to imagine the joy and pleasure They are experiencing right now as They continue to dance Their way through eternity.

Dear One 2 question,
Yes, it is great to have this truth with us that no one can take away.

When I was first converted and realized that Christ is truly the Savior of the world, I immediately thought of some of my family members who have passed away in unbelief. It overjoyed me when I realized that they would be saved someday, too - and not burning in some nightmare of a place that the apostate church teaches.

I thank the Lord often for all the blessings that He has freely given me. I was undeserving of this great knowledge, but yet, He has gave it to me anyway. He did so solely because of who He is (loving and merciful) and not because of anything I did or could have done to earn it.

I cast my crown before His throne because He deserves all the credit for making me into who I am. Thank you, Lord!

Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders (represents all the Elect) fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Thanks for your post. May you continue to grow in the Lord!

Joe

 

[One 2 question]

Dear One 2 question,
Yes, it is great to have this truth with us that no one can take away.

When I was first converted and realized that Christ is truly the Savior of the world, I immediately thought of some of my family members who have passed away in unbelief. It overjoyed me when I realized that they would be saved someday, too - and not burning in some nightmare of a place that the apostate church teaches.

I thank the Lord often for all the blessings that He has freely given me. I was undeserving of this great knowledge, but yet, He has gave it to me anyway. He did so solely because of who He is (loving and merciful) and not because of anything I did or could have done to earn it.

I cast my crown before His throne because He deserves all the credit for making me into who I am. Thank you, Lord!

Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders (represents all the Elect) fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Thanks for you post. May you continue to grow in the Lord!

Joe

Fantastic! Great to hear that brother! Yes, the joy that is ours to fall down and worship at the feet of Him when He brings good news upon good news day after day.

What a privilege it is to experience true worship of the true and living God Who has in His plan to redeem and reconcile ALL things They have created, including some of your family members who have passed away in unbelief.

Again, the zeal of the sovereign God will achieve this.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Ok. I know there is a twist and turn in the never ending story of God that isn’t in the bible. Obviously the bible can only contain so much of God's story with its 66, 73 or even 81 books.

I'll keep asking Father to draw you close to Him so that you can experience His presence like you may never have experiencing before.

It is a wonderful place for one's mind to rest, to find deep inner peace and sense the love of Jesus.

I've just spent some time there now talking to Them about you. I can only hope They draw you up close to Them.

The thing that kept us from Them is gone. It was removed by the blood of Father's Lamb. I encouage you to go boldly into Their presence my friend.

I'm a little excited to see what happens for you.

I'm not sure what you mean by "twist and turn" in the never ending story that isn't in the bible. If you're suggesting that there might be another chance for those who are cast into hell, to repent and be saved. Then I reject that notion as being impossible, because Gods Word says, "it is appointed onto man, once to die then judgement". It never mentions "judgements", so we should never add anything to Gods Word. I see you do that a lot, but the Bible forbids it in the strongest terms.

It's impossible for us to come into the presence of God, the only time men come into the presence of God is at their judgment. I think you're referring to born again Christians who are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is equally Go as are the other two members of the Godhead, so in that sense we can say that God is in us, but we still retain some of our old sin nature which we have to wrestle against everyday for the rest of our lives.

The Holy Spirit enables us to overcome the temptation to commit the unpardonable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. But we still have to wrestle against the temptation to commit all the other sins. We don't win every battle against temptation, even with the help of the Holy Spirit. But we will have the final victory after we run our race here on earth.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Dear Christian Soldier,

You said:
You have added endless requirements, which Christ warned would happen after His ascension to heaven.

There are no requirements that mankind must perform to be saved. Salvation is a free gift. However, there are works that Christ needs to perform for our salvation. Those works are spiritual works and they will cause a person to be converted from a child of the devil into a child of God.

Also, you are right not to believe me but you should believe the scriptures I have posted. If you can't accept those scriptures, you need to pray for understanding.

You said:
There is absolutely nothing in Gods Word to suggest that a saved person can lose his salvation. Every verse you cited to support your view didn't say anything about losing one's salvation. Every single one of them was referring to those who made a false profession of faith, so they were reprobate to start with. Just as everyone thought that Judas Iscariot was a genuinely saved but the truth is he was a Devil.

The verses I posted are not hard to understand. However, you are adding meaning to them that is not there. You MUST look to other scripture to fill in the missing pieces of truth. Don't make assumptions about those missing pieces so as to force the verse into your current belief system. Let scripture teach you "here a little and there a little".

Those verses don't say anything about a person's confession of faith being false. You are adding that to the verses.

Also, none of the Apostles were saved prior to them receiving the Latter Rain of the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost. Judas only became a "devil" when the spirit of anti-Christ (Satan's spirit) entered him:

Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

Judas is a "type" for what happens to the churches that the Apostles started. Judas didn't ask for Satan to enter into him and Judas didn't even know it when it happen. However, after it did, Judas' heart was changed to betray Christ.

To be saved, a believer must have BOTH the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit. The Apostles only had been given the Early Rain of the Spirit when they walked with Christ. They had "faith" (repented of their works) and it was that faith that made Christ's pathway "straight" for Him to "come again" to the Apostles on the Day of Pentecost.

The Early Rain of the Spirit will only give a believer their faith (which includes a repentance from works) and certain spiritual gifts. But it will not heal their spiritual blindness or convert them (Read Mark 8:15-25, Luke 22:32). The Apostles remained unconverted and spiritually blind up until they received the Latter Rain of Spirit. It was only then that the "Spirit of Truth" opened their eyes to the spiritual teachings of Christ.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

The apostate churches are full of believers who only have the Early Rain of the Spirit. They are spiritually blind and as a result, they are deceived by Satan via the spirit of anti-Christ. And like Judas, they have become devils. After an Elect believer in the apostate church is given the Spirit of Truth, they will leave as quickly as they can.

You said:
Christ, never referred to His physical work on the cross when He aid it is finished, that can't be true as it would make Him a liar and I don't believe He ever lied.

Again, you are adding to scripture to where the scripture is silent.

Christ made His statement of "it is finished" just before He died on the cross. This meant that His physical work that He needed to perform under the Old Covenant was finished. Upon His resurrection, the New Covenant began. That work of Christ is His spiritual work of converting each and every person who has ever lived.

Below is the only single verse of scripture that I have found that summarizes the work that Christ must perform to save mankind:

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life (accomplished under the Old Covenant/"it is finished"), and that they might have it more abundantly (being accomplished under the New Covenant).

Christ's physical work under the Old Covenant which led Him to the cross is what earned Christ the keys to death and hell. This work gave Christ the authority to resurrect all mankind from the grave. In this way, Christ gives all mankind life. However, the sinful life that we have now is not salvation. We must be "born again" spiritually by the Holy Spirit which requires the marred spirit of mankind to be destroyed by judgment. Only after Christ does His spiritual work within a person will they then have life "more abundantly".

You said:
There is no more work to be done, all of Gods elect, from the beginning of time to he end of time have already been saved. There is nobody else left to save.

The Elect's salvation is certain to happen because Christ will cause it to happen from His work under the New Covenant. You are only seeing "Christ and Him crucified" as Paul said to the Corinthians. You are not seeing Christ's spiritual work of conversion that He is presently doing within His Elect. This is what it means to be spiritually blind.

Joe

My Bible only mentions two covenants, the first (the law) or as some call it "the covenant of works" was the given to Adam. The second (grace) was given to everyone after Adam. So all those of the "old testament" were under that same covenant as we are today, the only difference is they looked forward to the coming Messiah and we look back, but we are all saved the exact same way.

Abraham was saved by placing His trust in the finished work of Jesus on the cross, the elect who are yet to be born are already saved by placing their trust in the finished work of Jesus on the cross. So everyone after Adam is saved in the exact same way, you can't fabricate other ways as the Bible doesn't allow for any other covenants, nor does it mention any such silly thing.

You have added your own false narrative to what Jesus meant when He said "it is finished". Every respected theologian and commentator agree that He was referring to the work of salvation. We all agree that He saved everyone at that time and there is nothing left for Him to do, so you're actually the one who is adding to Gods Word and not me. I accept what He said and i have added nothing because He didn't add anything, but you have added a whole bunch of unbiblical nonsense.

Gods elect are the only ones who are saved, there is no other group mentioned in the Bible. You just keep adding to Gods Word as if God needed you to complete what He failed to say. God actually promised to torture everyone who adds or takes away anything from what He said, in the lake of fire forever. That's how serious God is about preserving His Word.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Dear Christian Soldier,
Your understanding is carnal and is blasphemous to the name of Christ. You are making Christ out to be a failure and far worse than the most evil people of mankind. At least mankind has no ability to harm a person beyond them dying. But you believe Christ will harm a person in literal fire for all eternity. Nothing could be worse. The gospel you are following is not "good news" for the world - it is a nightmare that only Satan would teach. By promoting Satan's false gospel, you have become a "minister of Satan".

Here is the penalty of sin:

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Because death is the penalty of sin, Christ said this:

2Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish (penalty of sin), but that all should come to repentance.

"Fire/Lake of Fire is a spiritual symbol for Christ's judgment. During that judgment, Christ will administer justice, mercy and faith to the lost person (Mat 23:23). This is how Christ loves His enemies and does good to them. Justice is satisfied by the destruction of the child of the devil (who the person used to be prior to their new birth). You are not seeing the true Christ.

Joe

Here we go again, you keep twisting the scriptures to make them say what you want them to say. But you're only fooling yourself as God is not mocked by anyone who accuses Him of being worse than anything. Well I believe the opposite, I believe Christ is better than anything because His punishment of sinner is eternal torment in flames.

Yes all souls are Gods, he owns everything, Satan is Gods Devil. He can only do what God allows Him to do, so I don't know why you mention Eze 18:4 it's doesn't support your narrative at all.

2 Perter 32:9 was spoken to believers, so of' course God is not willing that any believer should perish. See, this is what happens when you pluck verses out of their intended context, you end up with false doctrine.

Jesus told a story (not a parable) about Lazarus and the rich man, you will remember thwe rich man begging for a drop of water to cool his tongue in hell. Why would anyone beg for water in a spiritual hell, see you have no defense when you're confronted with the truth.

There's no way you can twist the judgement of Christ to make it mean some kind of second chance, since there is no second chances in the judgement. You are either cast into hell forever or you enter into eternal paradise. The judgement is final, there are no way around it.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

 

[Christian Soldier]

Dear Christian Soldier,
You are right, we are at "opposite ends". You are following Satan who is masquerading as Christ to you. I am following the true Christ. Someday after Christ has given you the "knowledge of the truth", you will see the true Christ, too.

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

There is no point in continuing our discussion at this time.

Joe

Thanks for sharing your opinion anyway:)

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

 

[One 2 question]

we should never add anything to Gods Word. I see you do that a lot, but the Bible forbids it in the strongest terms.

Who said that?
If you are refering to John's warning relating to 'the prophecy of this scroll', 'written in this scroll'
and 'the scroll of this prophecy' 'written in this scroll' then I would not recommend not heading his warning.

Rev 22:18&19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

But it was relating to that particular scroll/book. Each of the 66, 73, 81 scrolls/books are separate to eachother.

The first canon was a compilation of 11 scrolls which didn't even include this scroll of John's. It was included in another canon then removed a number of times over hundreds of years.

I wouldn't like to be those who first added all the other scrolls to John's scroll of prophesy. Nor those who took away all the other scroll from his scroll of prophesy.

But they should be fine don't you think, as they didn't take anything away from 'the prophecy of this scroll' nor add anything to 'the scroll of this prophecy'.

Then I reject that notion as being impossible, because Gods Word says, "it is appointed onto man, once to die then judgement". It never mentions "judgements".

Sure, I agree that humans die once physically then face judgement. Many will end up in the lake of fire John referred to.

But after a period in there, the irresistible grace of their Creators will draw all to Himself. They will repent and God will have mercy on them and extend His grace to them all. Fantastic aren't They, that They will reconcile ALL to Themselves. And there's more......

 

[One 2 question]

It's impossible for us to come into the presence of God, the only time men come into the presence of God is at their judgment.

If that was the case I'm so glad nothing is impossible with my Creators. That They draw me and many others into Their presence.

I will continue to ask my Father to draw you to Himself. And if He does, don't be scared as He won't condemn you if you are in Jesus.

It is a fantastic place to relax, be at peace and the joy I find with Them is like nothing else.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Here we go again, you keep twisting the scriptures to make them say what you want them to say. But you're only fooling yourself as God is not mocked by anyone who accuses Him of being worse than anything. Well I believe the opposite, I believe Christ is better than anything because His punishment of sinner is eternal torment in flames.

Yes all souls are Gods, he owns everything, Satan is Gods Devil. He can only do what God allows Him to do, so I don't know why you mention Eze 18:4 it's doesn't support your narrative at all.

2 Perter 32:9 was spoken to believers, so of' course God is not willing that any believer should perish. See, this is what happens when you pluck verses out of their intended context, you end up with false doctrine.

Jesus told a story (not a parable) about Lazarus and the rich man, you will remember thwe rich man begging for a drop of water to cool his tongue in hell. Why would anyone beg for water in a spiritual hell, see you have no defense when you're confronted with the truth.

There's no way you can twist the judgement of Christ to make it mean some kind of second chance, since there is no second chances in the judgement. You are either cast into hell forever or you enter into eternal paradise. The judgement is final, there are no way around it.

Just a heads up. Faithwilldo is a Universalist. We can probably track thousands of posts arguing against his views - I gave up and so have many to reason with him.
Universalism is somewhat a liberal theology ( held 2.3 % of Christians). This view obviously allows for everyone to do just about anything, even rejecting Christ, following another religion ... and at the end, salvation will come anyways - maybe with more trials and chastisement, but we will all make it. This gives the liberal freedom to go their own way, stay on their own throne, while sidestepping being obedient, dying to self or following Christ. I thinkbwebwould have to discard or distort much of scripture ... and that is what they do. Oh, he also thinks at death, the Lake of Fire cleanses us _ again _ and then we are all let into the kingdom. So to them even Hitler will greet us at the gates ... Satan and his demons too why not?
It's a nice pleasant theology, palatable ... God loves everyone and could not allow any to perish because of course, "God does not desire any to perish". But He destroyed the world in the Flood before that was filled with tens of millions of wicked, lost and rebellious souls ... was that an act of love towards them? No, it was judgment. We won't be seeing them either.
The liberal pushes away from authority, judgment, rules ... so with this theolgy (that everyone gets saved), we could all then live as we choose. If that was the case, why God would give us the Bible at all would be the question? Maybe He should have just said, "I created you, just live as you please ... try to be good ... but I'll forgive you anyways and I'll fix you all at the end of time."
Faithwilldo has also claimed that God causes everything to happen in our lives, even minor things and choices. If that were so, we would not be responsible. There could not be such a thing as sin. God gives us a law, then cause us to break it? No.
Truly Romans 8:28 finds a discrepancy in this Universalist, liberal view. "God causes all things to work for good for those who love the Lord, for those who are called to His purpose.
>> But not all love the Lord and He only calls His sheep ... and not all are His sheep.

GOD IS SOVEREIGN, in control of good and evil. So we can presume that the significant things that obviously keep the Elect alive and lead us to that Divine appointment are structured in the plan. Jesus spoke of the Gehenna more than he did Heaven. He is the Savior. Savior of what? DEATH - BUT ONLY IF WE BELIEVE IN HIM.
IF WE DON'T, HE WILL NOT SAVE US!

 

[One 2 question]

Jesus spoke of the Gehenna more than he did Heaven.

Just a quick side note. Of all that Jesus spoke, only a fraction was recorded in the bible. So we can't know how much Jesus spoke about Gehenna or heaven.

 

[One 2 question]

GOD IS SOVEREIGN, in control of good and evil.

So God can, if He wants to, control good? He can stop good from happening?

at the end, salvation will come anyways - maybe with more trials and chastisement, but we will all make it.

So you presume that the significant things that obviously keep the not Elected (not)alive and lead them to miss out on that Divine appointment are structured in the plan?

Faithwilldo has also claimed that God causes everything to happen in our lives, even minor things and choices. If that were so, we would not be responsible.

The thing is that both the Creators and what They created are responsible for what the created thing does or doesn't do.

If I make a sword and that sword ends up killing someone who is responsible for that evil outcome?

at the end, salvation will come anyways - maybe with more trials and chastisement, but we will all make it.

Isn't this something to be very grateful to God about my friend. Wouldn't you, if given the opportunity to stop evil, stop it? If you chose not to but later you had the means to forgive everyone, Wouldn't you?

If they ended up suffering in prison for a long time for their crimes and you had the means to pardon them all, wouldn't you?

If you were able to offer them a pardon knowing that every one of them would accept it now that having seen the errors of their way and having
experienced the consequences of their evil deeds, wouldn't you?

I would ask you this, Why wouldn't you?

If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! Mat 7:11

What greater gift can a tried, convicted criminal receive than a pardon or an early release from their incarceration. Oh the gift of redemption and freedom, of a relationship with their Sovereign Loving Creators. Would you desire to deprive them of receiving this precious gift and the never ending joy this will produce them?
And would you desire to deprive your Creator from giving Their precious gift and the never ending joy this will produce in Them?

 

[Christian Soldier]

Who said that?
If you are refering to John's warning relating to 'the prophecy of this scroll', 'written in this scroll'
and 'the scroll of this prophecy' 'written in this scroll' then I would not recommend not heading his warning.

Rev 22:18&19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

But it was relating to that particular scroll/book. Each of the 66, 73, 81 scrolls/books are separate to eachother.

The first canon was a compilation of 11 scrolls which didn't even include this scroll of John's. It was included in another canon then removed a number of times over hundreds of years.

I wouldn't like to be those who first added all the other scrolls to John's scroll of prophesy. Nor those who took away all the other scroll from his scroll of prophesy.

But they should be fine don't you think, as they didn't take anything away from 'the prophecy of this scroll' nor add anything to 'the scroll of this prophecy'.

Sure, I agree that humans die once physically then face judgement. Many will end up in the lake of fire John referred to.

But after a period in there, the irresistible grace of their Creators will draw all to Himself. They will repent and God will have mercy on them and extend His grace to them all. Fantastic aren't They, that They will reconcile ALL to Themselves. And there's more......

I'm not sure of how high or low your view of God is, but my view of God is infinitely higher than any man or Angel. In fact God is in full control of everything in the universe. So to suggest that the Bible is incomplete, is to suggest that God is not in full control and that would be pure heresy.

So I believe God gave us His Word in the 66 books of the Bible, and nothing is missing and nothing has been added because God caused men to compile it according to His will. We can place our full trust in the Bible's accuracy and reliability.

I have never found any scriptures to support the idea that anyone will ever be saved from the lake of fire. All the scriptures I know, say there is no salvation for those who are cast into hell. The scriptures you previously referred to don't support your theory at all, unless you twist them to change their meaning.

 

[Christian Soldier]

If that was the case I'm so glad nothing is impossible with my Creators. That They draw me and many others into Their presence.

I will continue to ask my Father to draw you to Himself. And if He does, don't be scared as He won't condemn you if you are in Jesus.

It is a fantastic place to relax, be at peace and the joy I find with Them is like nothing else.

God draws His elect to repentance, then His Holy Spirit regenerates them and sanctifies them and transforms them into the image of His Son. This drawing you speak of, only happens while your dead in your sin.
There's no need to draw you after He has bought you to a place of repentance. A born again believer, doesn't need to be drawn to God, because Gods Holy Spirit dwells in him already, so what you're saying doesn't make sense to me.

My experience is nothing like yours, God didn't draw me to Himself so I can relax with Him. He drew me to Himself, to become a man of war. Jesus is coming back as a Man of war to kill the vast majority of mankind.
We are saved from Satan's Kingdom of Darkness, to Gods Kingdom of Light. These two Kingdoms are at war, there will be no peace until we kill all those of the Kingdom of Darkness. Then we will enjoy perfect peace while they burn forever in the lake of fire.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Just a heads up. Faithwilldo is a Universalist. We can probably track thousands of posts arguing against his views - I gave up and so have many to reason with him.
Universalism is somewhat a liberal theology ( held 2.3 % of Christians). This view obviously allows for everyone to do just about anything, even rejecting Christ, following another religion ... and at the end, salvation will come anyways - maybe with more trials and chastisement, but we will all make it. This gives the liberal freedom to go their own way, stay on their own throne, while sidestepping being obedient, dying to self or following Christ. I thinkbwebwould have to discard or distort much of scripture ... and that is what they do. Oh, he also thinks at death, the Lake of Fire cleanses us _ again _ and then we are all let into the kingdom. So to them even Hitler will greet us at the gates ... Satan and his demons too why not?
It's a nice pleasant theology, palatable ... God loves everyone and could not allow any to perish because of course, "God does not desire any to perish". But He destroyed the world in the Flood before that was filled with tens of millions of wicked, lost and rebellious souls ... was that an act of love towards them? No, it was judgment. We won't be seeing them either.
The liberal pushes away from authority, judgment, rules ... so with this theolgy (that everyone gets saved), we could all then live as we choose. If that was the case, why God would give us the Bible at all would be the question? Maybe He should have just said, "I created you, just live as you please ... try to be good ... but I'll forgive you anyways and I'll fix you all at the end of time."
Faithwilldo has also claimed that God causes everything to happen in our lives, even minor things and choices. If that were so, we would not be responsible. There could not be such a thing as sin. God gives us a law, then cause us to break it? No.
Truly Romans 8:28 finds a discrepancy in this Universalist, liberal view. "God causes all things to work for good for those who love the Lord, for those who are called to His purpose.
>> But not all love the Lord and He only calls His sheep ... and not all are His sheep.

GOD IS SOVEREIGN, in control of good and evil. So we can presume that the significant things that obviously keep the Elect alive and lead us to that Divine appointment are structured in the plan. Jesus spoke of the Gehenna more than he did Heaven. He is the Savior. Savior of what? DEATH - BUT ONLY IF WE BELIEVE IN HIM.
IF WE DON'T, HE WILL NOT SAVE US!

Thanks for the advice it is greatly appreciated. Your theology is completely different to @FaithWillDo I listed some scriptures for him to consider, but he didn't deal with any of them. He simply said I misunderstood them and he listed a bunch of unrelated verses and inserted his narrative to them.

Reading through your reply, I wasn't able to find anything unbiblical in your theology. I'm often accused of being judgmental by some members, because I don't agree with their views. Some are offended when I don't agree them, they say things like I'm blinded by Satan and He has me in bondage to His false doctrine.

I appreciate being corrected when I'm wrong. Iron sharpens iron, so being corrected should be considered a blessing and not a personal attack. Many Christians jump to conclusions, and take correction as a condemnation or an assassination of their character.

 

[One 2 question]

God is in full control of everything in the universe. So to suggest that the Bible is incomplete, is to suggest that God is not in full control and that would be pure heresy.

Call it what you will.

Like you, I know God is in full control of everything in the universe.

I know that the bible in its scope and volume is extremly incomplete and not exhaustive by any stretch of the imagination. I don't know who the first person was to come up with this idea. He or she mustn't know their Creators very well or have read the content of their bible.

Maybe they only had access to one of the first bibles which didn't contain John's gospel which said right at the end,
This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Jhn 21:24&25

Therefore according to John, his scroll was extremly limited my friend.

I guess John didn't know there were going to be others documenting what Jesus did. But enough to fill the planet? Maybe not.

 

[Stumpmaster]

There's a power controlling the world that's responsible for the constant unrest and turmoil and many Christians blame Leftists, Bankers, Islam, Jews, etc., even "right wing" extremists (which are only "extreme" to those who've moved so far left that God, if He exists at all, must be a woman). The truth is that all these agencies are controlled by Satan via a network of Luciferian secret societies whose members are sworn to the strictest secrecy as they pass the torch from one generation to the next, going about their clandestine work of moving the nations toward the final climactic battle between good and evil, controlling politics, education, judicial systems, mass media, and even religion through the papacy in Rome, Satan's "Antichrist" which claims to "take the place of Christ" - the very definition of the term - and a well organized Jesuit Order under which all these secret societies operate. Of course, God is keeping these in check for now, as the angels hold back the "winds of strife" - but soon, those winds will begin to blow hard upon the Earth.

Since the end time deceptions could, if possible, deceive even the very elect, why are so many opposed to "conspiracy theories" - a disparaging term invented by the CIA to discourage public questioning of "official" reports? Christians, being forewarned that deception would define the very end times in which we live, ought to be those most well armed against deception - so the fact that so many scoff at "conspiracy theories" while swallowing whatever is spooned out by CNN or Fox News, by Leftist ideology or popular Conservatism, is strong evidence they may not be among the elect at all, which is most alarming.

Therefore, all Christians ought to be in a constant state of alarm and readiness, either because of the clear and present danger all around us, or because they've been blinded by deception. It's up to us to ensure we're following the "Biblical Jesus" and not some "false christ" preached to us by those who are themselves deceived.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTbHLOB5jHyPxt6B3dZfpVCTpDK6VdBUi&si=ww83B43VZDl_9lr-

Anyone is suspect, and their motives questionable, but God knows those who are His.

 

[One 2 question]

So I believe God gave us His Word in the 66 books of the Bible, and nothing is missing and nothing has been added because God caused men to compile it according to His will. We can place our full trust in the Bible's accuracy and reliability.

Maybe there needs to be a bit of background to your use of the words, 'His Word'. Can you elaborate and clarifty it for us.
Thanks