Does God love burning people in hell?

[Jack]

The word forever does not always mean what you want it to. See Exodus 21:6, 1 Samuel 1:22, Jonah 2:6.
The word “eternal” (Hebrew ‘olam; Greek aion, aionios) carries different meanings, depending on the immediate context. For example, when associated with God (Deut. 33:27, “everlasting”), the word expresses His eternity. When related to human beings (Exod. 21:6, “forever”), the word is limited by their life span. When qualifying fire (Matt. 18:8, Matt. 25:41, “everlasting”), it implies that the fire will not go out until it fully consumes what is being burned. This means that the “eternal fire” will be eternal in the sense that it will consume the wicked completely and irreversibly, leaving them “ ‘neither root nor branch’ ” (Mal. 4:1, NKJV).

The theory of an everlasting punishment of the wicked has serious implications. If the wicked are punished forever, then evil will never be eradicated. Also, all human life derives from God (Deut. 32:39, Ps. 36:9), who has “ ‘ “no pleasure in the death of the wicked” ’ ” (Ezek. 33:11, NKJV). Why then would He continue to grant life to the wicked to suffer in endless torment? Would it not be much more reasonable for Him just to end their existence? If the wicked will be punished “according to their works” (Rev. 20:12, NKJV), why then should a short human life be punished endlessly?

You don't believe in "eternal life"? Exact same Greek word.

Matthew 25
46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

 

[Brakelite]

"Everlasting", "eternal" "forever and ever" ...

As is "eternal" life!

Everlasting punishment. What is that punishment? Death. Everlasting death, from which there is no resurrection. There is no resurrection from destruction.
KJV Malachi 4:1-3
1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

KJV Revelation 20:7-10
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Where is this lake of fire? Where is the camp of the saints? Is it not on the surface of the earth? If we are going to inherit the earth made new, then that lake needs to go right? And the fire needs to stop burning right? So for ever and ever does not mean what you think it does. It burns, and none can quench it, but it burns until there is nothing left to burn. Everything is destroyed, and turned to ashes.

 

[Jack]

Everlasting punishment. What is that punishment? Death. Everlasting death, from which there is no resurrection. There is no resurrection from destruction.
KJV Malachi 4:1-3
1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

KJV Revelation 20:7-10
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Where is this lake of fire? Where is the camp of the saints? Is it not on the surface of the earth? If we are going to inherit the earth made new, then that lake needs to go right? And the fire needs to stop burning right? So for ever and ever does not mean what you think it does. It burns, and none can quench it, but it burns until there is nothing left to burn. Everything is destroyed, and turned to ashes.

You're dancing around the perfectly clear Scriptures. Strangely similar to Kingdom Hall. Whatever they don't like they try to rewrite. But then you even quoted the Truth in V 10? It means exactly what it says! It confirms Luke 16 as literal!

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[MatthewG]

Dear MatthewG,
If you have any interest in learning more about this "concept", I have a website where I teach much more about it. The website is: www.greatmysteryofchrist.com

I suggest you start your reading with paper A. The Great Mystery of the Church.

I hope you check it out.

Joe

No thanks.

 

[ChristisGod]

Is God who elected those who he would save, disregarding everyone else, and send them to be burning and screaming and literal flames?

Is he loving for doing so; ?


just to notice hell/ and lake of fire are two differing things.

Your question begging and your premise is false unless you are arguing with a hyper calvinist. This is a strawman argument.

For the rest of us who are not hyper calvinists your premise is false since everyone can either accept the gospel or reject the gospel. God created man with an ability to choose or reject Him with their free will. So when one goes to hell its by yheir own choosing to stay in their sins and reject the gospel which results in their own condemnation.

hope this helps !!!

 

[MatthewG]

Normally straw man arguments are just like a tie. One sees one way, and the other sees the other way.

That is naturally how that pans out, @Christophany

have a good day

 

[ChristisGod]

Normally straw man arguments are just like a tie. One sees one way, and the other sees the other way.

That is naturally how that pans out, @Christophany

have a good day

No you are making an argument based upon your theological premise and that is question begging.

Question Begging Fallacy- The fallacy of begging the question occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. In other words, you assume without proof the stand/position, or a significant part of the stand, that is in question

 

[ChristisGod]

Normally straw man arguments are just like a tie. One sees one way, and the other sees the other way.

That is naturally how that pans out, @Christophany

have a good day

The complex question fallacy, or many questions fallacy, is context dependent; a presupposition by itself doesn't have to be a fallacy. It is committed when someone asks a question that presupposes something that has not been proven or accepted by all the people involved.

 

[MatthewG]

Still stalemates, are a form of a common tie.

But questions are good, and people have been taught out there that.

PEOPLE GO TO HELL BURNIN FOREVER AND EVER.

So therefore the questions are nothing more than engaging with an audience of people here at Christianforums, @Christophany.

 

[MatthewG]

WE found restitution though,

Understanding that Jesus with is victory over comes that place called hell.

People do not go there anymore though @Christophany, from my prevue, and they end up in a heavenly realm.

All given spiritual bodies given by God,

All placed where they belong outside the kingdom city gates, which are open all day or inside the kingdom with God.

 

[ChristisGod]

WE found restitution though,

Understanding that Jesus with is victory over comes that place called hell.

People do not go there anymore though @Christophany, from my prevue, and they end up in a heavenly realm.

All given spiritual bodies given by God,

All placed where they belong outside the kingdom city gates, which are open all day or inside the kingdom with God.

The problem is there are people that end up in the same place as the devil and his angels for eternity.

So the question for you is why don't you believe Gods word ?

 

[MatthewG]

I do believe what God has instituted in Revelation, @Christophany.

Are you someone that is okay with what God has instituted in Revelation?

Or you asking about something else, there has been 15 pages worth of text from me, some others, and what not already on this topic.

 

[ChristisGod]

I do believe what God has instituted in Revelation, @Christophany.

Are you someone that is okay with what God has instituted in Revelation?

Or you asking about something else, there has been 15 pages worth of text from me, some others, and what not already on this topic.

So you agree there is torment for the wicked along with the fallen angels for all eternity. That is good to know you are finally in agreement with Jesus on the topic.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Jack]

Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell! And they're not gonna like their neighbors.

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[MatthewG]

So you agree there is torment for the wicked along with the fallen angels for all eternity. That is good to know you are finally in agreement with Jesus on the topic.

hope this helps !!!

I dont know if I agree with what you say or not but I love you anyway. I believe Jesus had already judged everyone in hell. And I believe what God insinuates in Revelation.


Outside of the Kingdom,
Inside of the kingdom.


As all sin for all people have been paid for, by the death of Christ.
Jesus has had the victory over hell, Satan, his angels, and they were all done away with.
And now all that remains since the restoration of the Garden is, to choose the Tree of light or the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

 

[MatthewG]

Great @Jack. Thank you reminding everyone. Hell eventually is done away with according to Revelation.

 

[Jack]

Great @Jack. Thank you reminding everyone. Hell eventually is done away with according to Revelation.

You're twisting the Hell out of the Bible.
Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[MatthewG]

You can stop quoting that anytime, if your never gonna move pass the gospels idk what to tell you, @Jack.

 

[ChristisGod]

You're twisting the Hell out of the Bible.
Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Amen to the truth !

 

[Jack]

You can stop quoting that anytime, if your never gonna move pass the gospels idk what to tell you, @Jack.

Why would I want to stop quoting Jesus?

Matthew 5 Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.