Doctrinolatry - tribalism and division in the Body of Christ

[Eternally Grateful]

Absolutely. Obviously God has been doing as He pleases. Whether we can make sense of this truth or not doesn't alter the fact that everything is going according to His script.

God is the Creator in Whom all truth and knowledge resides. What He desides to share with us is entirely up to Him.

He answers to no one. What He conjures up in His mind, plans, predestined, carries out is according to His unrestrained will. This is awesome news.

Its ok

Some of us already have the answer. And when we found it, we saw what appeared to be a contradiction come into view as bing unified, and the perfect word of God.

Did you really ask if God can make sense of the truth? I do hope I read you wrong.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So God did not send His messenger Satan to tempt the first humans?

Satan came on his own accord..

Satan chose to do this without his Creator's knowledge and without God's consent.

Just because God allowed satan to do it does not mean he sent him.

Or God allowed the show to go on, to continue so it unfolded just as it has to this day? But God could've stepped in at any time in the garden and sat in on the conversations Satan and Eve were having. He could've bound him up in the abyss, (sorry, get His Angels to bind him and cast him into the abyss) but God chose of His own volition to not intervene. Then that's on God.

Yeah he could have, he could have removed free will..

But praise the Good Lord he did not. Or non of us would be here today.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This course of action obviously wasn't in God's script otherwise this would've actually happened.

The Creator, Script Writter, Director, Producer has already predetermined what will happen. He wiped out a large part of this planet in order to purge it and make a fresh start through using Noah.

Again, the Owner of this, His own creation, always does as He pleases.

Many people have an overinflated option of themselves and their planet believing the Creator is doing everything for their benefit specifically. We know that the creations revolve around Him and He designed them for His benefit. If we gain anything in the course of our existence that's a bonus.

I make it all about Him not me, not us.

lol. I deal like I am reading a novel when you speak. Where do you come up with this stuff?

What are you trying to share. What church truth are you trying to fight. I see no rhyme or reason with anything you say.

God did not want death, But it happened because he allowed free will

God did not want to destroy the earth, but he did because he allowed free will

God did nto want to come to earth and suffer the cross (if any way let this cup be removed from me, nevertheless not my will but yours be done) yet because of free will, He had no choice

God did not crate evil. He created free will. And in doing so, he allowed evil to be done.

the only alternative would be to create robots. A robot does not question, it does as it is programmed to do.

However, a robot can not recieve its creators love, it could care less,, God created us to recieve his love

A robot can not give love, it just does what he is told.. We were created to give love

we were created in Gods image, to love him and to love and serve others..

when we break away from that created part of our self. We lose our foundation, We lose the creators love and service. And we end up destroying ourselves. Which is exactly what sin does. And because we are missing that service and love from God. We have to go elsewhere to try to fill that hole. We use drugs, alcohol, sex, money and all these things to try to fill our need. But it never works. Because it is like trying to use water for Gas, which will not work. Then getting mad because our way does nto work. So what do we do? We react. And lash out.

evil is created when we walk away from our created purpose and being, Not because God created it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I like your question. Was it God or was it Satan who tempted Jesus?

It was the devil who tempted Jesus.

It was the Spirit Who led Jesus to be tempted by the devil.

It was God Who had His Spirit lead Jesus to be tempted by the devil.

So who was the mastermind behind this event? Who participated in carrying it out?

You did not answer my question

was james wrong?

 

[One 2 question]

God invited satan to play a game?

where do you come up with this thinking if I may ask?

God calls it a war. Are wars fun and Games?

More like satan had a role to play.

How does God the Father carry out His multiroles in this divine production?

He is the Cast Director Who matches actors to roles.

He is the Producer Who is the resource, practical and creative heart of this blockbuster.

He is the Director Who holds the creative vision throughout the whole process.

He is the Scriptwriter Who has the story in His mind ready for it to be produced.

3 scenes in heaven:

Scene # 1.

We see Him present a part of His story where He requires someone to carry out a certain role.

“Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing on his right and on his left. And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab king of Israel into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
“‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
“‘I will go and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said. “‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
“So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”
2 Chr 18

Scene # 2.

We see God draw the attention of an actor to carry out His script.

Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”
“Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”
The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”
Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord. Job 1

Scene # 3

In the future God requires a task to be performed by a person with specific qualifications (position vacant). This is a vital future scene within His blockbuster production.

I saw upon the right hand of the One sitting on the throne a scroll having been written inside and on-the-back, having been sealed-down with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to break its seals?” And no one in heaven nor on earth nor under the earth was able to open the scroll, nor to look-at it. And I was weeping greatly because no one worthy was found to open the scroll, nor to look-at it. And one of the elders says to me, “Do not be weeping. Behold— the Lion from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, overcame so as to open the scroll and its seven seals” Rev 5

Hey Satan, have you considered my Faithful Son Jesus.

Yes, You have set angels around Him to protect Him from us.

But give me some time with Him and I'll have Him worshipping me, not You.

Granted. And all the kingdoms on planet earth where Jesus lives are yours. Now go!

Or

Who will go to earth and have My Son Jesus killed?

The Divine Director, Scriptwriter, Producer is at work or should I call it, at play.

 

[One 2 question]

You did not answer my question

was james wrong?

I would say that God generally does not organise for humans to be tempted. But He has been known to make exceptions. Again isn't it comforting to know that everything He does is for His sake. Yes, the angels may benefit. And humans also.

 

[One 2 question]

Satan came on his own accord..

Just because God allowed satan to do it does not mean he sent him.

Yeah he could have, he could have removed free will..

But praise the Good Lord he did not. Or non of us would be here today.

Again, isn't everything the Creator designed and made for Him? I don't want to make it about me, with or without a free or not free will.

I love acknowledging His free will to choose to do whatever HE wants, whenever HE desires, however HE has planned it.
ALL GLORY TO GOD THE CREATOR!!!

 

[Episkopos]

A follow-up to my Bibliolatry topic.

Doctrine becomes an idol when it is used to support tribalism and cause division in the Body of Christ.

Since doctrinal unity is impossible, allowing others to hold their own doctrinal opinions may be the only way to prevent division.

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What is the doctrine to which we hold to doing to us? Does it make us merciful, patient, kind, and loving? A true understanding and doctrine helps us in all those areas. Good doctrine displaces bad/harmful doctrines. It is no wonder that bad doctrines are meant to edify the wrong part of a person...the ego, selfishness, self-centeredness, judgmentalism....etc. When tolerance in all its forms is thrown out as evil, you know that bad doctrine is behind it. There is a time for everything under the sun. Wisdom is to know when something applies...without the cardboard and false bent that sees everything always the same way...in a caricature of reality.

Life is nuanced...not rigid. Truth is alive, not static. Wisdom far exceeds folly. Faith far exceeds religious certainties.

 

[One 2 question]

Wisdom is to know when something applies...without the cardboard and false bent that sees everything always the same way...in a caricature of reality.

Yes, wisdom is to know when something applies or it doesn't.
When to correct or when not to. When to kill and when not to. Who to give your pearls to and who not to. Why you need to speak and why you shouldn't.

 

[One 2 question]

Life is nuanced...not rigid. Truth is alive, not static. Wisdom far exceeds folly. Faith far exceeds religious certainties.

Again, yes, our life in general is very unpredictable. Especially our life in Christ as we are carried along by His Spirit.

The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit. Jhn 3.8

 

[Eternally Grateful]

More like satan had a role to play.

How does God the Father carry out His multiroles in this divine production?

He is the Cast Director Who matches actors to roles.

He is the Producer Who is the resource, practical and creative heart of this blockbuster.

He is the Director Who holds the creative vision throughout the whole process.

He is the Scriptwriter Who has the story in His mind ready for it to be produced.

3 scenes in heaven:

Scene # 1.

We see Him present a part of His story where He requires someone to carry out a certain role.

“Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing on his right and on his left. And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab king of Israel into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
“‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
“‘I will go and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said. “‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
“So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”
2 Chr 18

Scene # 2.

We see God draw the attention of an actor to carry out His script.

Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”
“Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”
The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”
Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord. Job 1

Scene # 3

In the future God requires a task to be performed by a person with specific qualifications (position vacant). This is a vital future scene within His blockbuster production.

I saw upon the right hand of the One sitting on the throne a scroll having been written inside and on-the-back, having been sealed-down with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to break its seals?” And no one in heaven nor on earth nor under the earth was able to open the scroll, nor to look-at it. And I was weeping greatly because no one worthy was found to open the scroll, nor to look-at it. And one of the elders says to me, “Do not be weeping. Behold— the Lion from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, overcame so as to open the scroll and its seven seals” Rev 5

Hey Satan, have you considered my Faithful Son Jesus.

Yes, You have set angels around Him to protect Him from us.

But give me some time with Him and I'll have Him worshipping me, not You.

Granted. And all the kingdoms on planet earth where Jesus lives are yours. Now go!

Or

Who will go to earth and have My Son Jesus killed?

The Divine Director, Scriptwriter, Producer is at work or should I call it, at play.

Ok I see

You think when a man takes a young child. Rapes her and does all kind of unthinkable things to her

The is God following a script and making that man do this.

Good day, It is obvious I can not help you. Your mind is made up. God is the maker and author of evil


I might as well just give up.. The God I lve and cherish the God who hates evil. Created it and makes it all happen. To get his rocks off or for some reason..

get real man!!!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hopefully this thread dies, I see no one else is responding to him.. so I will just pray people see what is really going on here. And no one else falls for this

 

[One 2 question]

Ok I see

You think when a man takes a young child. Rapes her and does all kind of unthinkable things to her

The is God following a script and making that man do this.

Good day, It is obvious I can not help you. Your mind is made up. God is the maker and author of evil


I might as well just give up.. The God I lve and cherish the God who hates evil. Created it and makes it all happen. To get his rocks off or for some reason..

get real man!!!

Well, are you able to respond to the 3 quotes from your bible I posted, at the very least. Tell me what was going on there?

 

[One 2 question]

Hopefully this thread dies, I see no one else is responding to him.. so I will just pray people see what is really going on here. And no one else falls for this

It's in your bible my friend. What is your interpretation of these passages? I'd be keen to hear your take on it.

 

[One 2 question]

Sorry St Steven if I've taken it off topic.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well, are you able to respond to the 3 quotes from your bible I posted, at the very least. Tell me what was going on there?

Sorry,

I am no longer responding to nonsense.

Funny how you did not respond to what i see you saying about God.

is it because deep down you know I am right?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It's in your bible my friend. What is your interpretation of these passages? I'd be keen to hear your take on it.

I already gave you some insite.

Is james wrong? Did God temp us to do evil. Or did he not?

James said he did not. So i will go with James.

ok??

You go with the god who caused a man to steel a young child from her parents and rape her..

 

[One 2 question]

Ok I see

You think when a man takes a young child. Rapes her and does all kind of unthinkable things to her

The is God following a script and making that man do this.

God has caused things like this in the past.

Zech 14:2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

What do we do with this? It's in the bible?

 

[One 2 question]

Sorry,

I am no longer responding to nonsense.

I'm surprised you are referring to the scriptures I quoted as nonsense.

Funny how you did not respond to what i see you saying about God.

is it because deep down you know I am right?

What was that again. Maybe I missed it.

 

[One 2 question]

I already gave you some insite.

Is james wrong? Did God temp us to do evil. Or did he not?

James said he did not. So i will go with James.

ok??

You go with the god who caused a man to steel a young child from her parents and rape her..

I gave you my answer already. See one of my previous posts if you are genuinely interested.

I'm not one to side step being questioned. I appreciate being challenged. It make me go to the Spirit and find His thoughts and answers.