Doctrinolatry - tribalism and division in the Body of Christ

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I'm talking about division in the Body of Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:25 NIV
so that there should be no division in the body,
but that its parts should have equal concern for each other.

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But not everyone who claims to be a part of the body of christ is actually the body of christ.

Just because someone calls themselves a church does not mean they are a true church of our heavenly father

 

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Sure. Divisions are a part of the Creators plan. As we know that it is a part of Their plan and eternal purpose to reveal Themself to the principalities and powers of darkness. That They manifest Their manifold wisdom through the church as she exists and grows within the darkness, wickedness, opposite of those living in the darkness. In fact God had imagined and designed an opposing armed force who being led by Lucifer, would corrupt Their creation which was good. Lucifer, playing this new role as villain had to cause division so that his Creator could respond to the mess he made, thus revealing His manifold wisdom. What an amazing Creator is our God. A pure and complete Mastermind!

I disagree

God did not create satan to be the ruler of evil.

Nor did he create mankind to be divided between good and evil.

death was not part of Gods plan.. But just as satan rebelled. So to did mankind, and death is the result.

its part of who God is, God is a God of love, You cannot love a person unless that person is truly free to love you back. In order for this to be truly free, they must also have the freedom to not love you back. This is called free will or relational.

God created us all this way. Sadly. 1/3 of the Angelic beings. And who knows how many of the human beings. Have rejected Gods love. And will suffer the death that comes as a result.

 

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Isn't it great to know that God has a long term plan for all His creations. That we, in this material creation have an impact on the invisible creation. To what degree only God knows. But like the designer of a computer game, God has designed opposing forces to engage the players, to keep them coming back to face new levels with its new challenges and experience new advancements. The thrill of the chase, the thrill of a win makes certain games irresistible and addictive.

God invited Satan and His angels to engage with His game on earth. I believe they are fully engaged and addicted to it. They win enough to keep them involved but we know that they will never get to the end having conquered every stage.

The introduction and existence of good and evil are very much a part of the Designer's overall plan as a means of generating glory and pleasure to the Grand Creators.

If only we could suspend judgement and patiently wait for the unfolding of Their grand plan.

Sometimes I fall back into my old way of thinking that God has made a mistake. But it's more about God not fulfilling my plans, desires, will, hopes, dreams, goals.

His plans are perfectly designed to achieve Their goal of generating never ending glory and pleasure for Themselves.

God invited satan to play a game?

where do you come up with this thinking if I may ask?

God calls it a war. Are wars fun and Games?

 

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Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

So here we go. We have an appearance contradiction.

so how do we solve this contradiction?

If God temps no person with evil, then how did God create evil

if God created evil. By defenition. He is the one who temps. Because he created it to begin with.

 

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We have the story of this creation where God tempted Adam. God purposely put a tree of temptation in the middle of Adams home, the garden of Eden. Then God took someone from His former creation and put him into this new creation. Satan was introduced to earth by God. Then God left them to it for most of the day.

Was God that short sighted that He couldn't see what was about to happen? We know that putting a hungry fully grown lion in an enclosed sheep pen with a young lamb has only one outcome.

God tempts that's for sure. Read he story of Job.

Read the story of Jesus after his baptism. God sent His Spirit to come upon Jesus. Immediately this Spirit from God led Jesus into the wilderness to be tempted by Satan. God's Spirit leads into temptation.
In fact Jesus, after His Father led Him into temptation said to His disciples. When you pray say, Our Father in heaven....lead us not into temptation. Why should we ask Father not to do something He can't or will not do? Of course God leads people into temptation. The all knowing God knows full well what His creations will do given certain conditions. Put Satan the hungry lion and Jesus a weakened young lamb together, I think even we know what's going to happen.

God tempts, God delivers. God tempts, God makes a way of escape. God does as He pleases.

Um no. God did not tempt adam,

if Adam had stayed true to his nature that God gave him, he never would have been tempted.

He was tempted when sin kept its ugly head and he questioned God.

 

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Should not sovereignty come with responsibility?

For instance, if a highway engineer, created an intersection traffic light that displayed a green light (go signal)
for all approaching cars that ended in a deadly accident trap, who would be responsible?
- The automobile drivers that collided with one another?
- The crew that set the equipment in place? (who objected when the equipment test failed)
- The engineer that designed the intersection signal?

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I believe God took responsibility

1. He came to earth as a man
2. He suffered the death of the cross
3. He gives every man woman and child the ability and the chance to reverse their rejection of him, and their pride of being their own God in repentance and recieve this gift.

in the end, when death and hades is cast into hell. The one cast can nto say it’s Gods fault. He tempted me, he created evil. He bla blah blah

because God gave the the chance they turned it down. And according to paul in romans 1. They willingly did so. So they have no excuse

 

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The Creators created what They created and it either was made with the ability to become flawed or it didn't. We know now that They made it so it could become flawed. Some believe They made it so it would become flawed so They could fix it and restore it.

Should've They started again and remove Their creations potential to become flawed? Everything would be far better off if They did.

Anyway, it is what it is by Their design and for Their purpose. Glory to Them Who do all things according to the council of Their own will.

Would it be better off if God snapped his fingers the moment Adam and Eve sinned and started over?

lets think about this. How many adam and eves would God need to create before the two of them never sinned, and even if that be the case. When they had children, if one of them sinned, Does God again start over and wipe them out?

or Does God realise this is going to happen. And make a way to restore his creation to himself. But not become the God his enemy says he is, and not force his freedom or salvation on anyone.. but give us all an option to say yes lord I want this, or no lord. Take your salvation I do not want it

 

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Not really.


That means Satan fell due to the completed creation. Like the cars in the intersection.

This topic asks the question.

Why was "the Tree" placed in the center of the garden (orchard)

The forbidden tree placed where it had to be confronted often. Why was the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil placed in the center (midst) of the orchard (garden) of Eden? Interestingly, Adam and Eve had to be deceived to "eat thereof". It seems they had no intention of eating from the...

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Actually this is false

Satan fell because he got pumped up with pride and thought he could be better than God.

 

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Sure, Armenians and Calvinists are divided, but agree on the Salvation from the crucified, resurrected, and glorified Jesus. Liberals and conservatives have always existed but have existed together most of the time. God created both sides, but we can unite with Jesus. The common enemy of both sides is Satan. When we all, Universalist, Armenians, and Calvinists come together in Christ, we defeat divisions and Satan's temptation. You see, we don't know Gods plan, but we know we are united in Christ Jesus, which is God's plan, at least in part.

How can we come together?

an arminian says salvation can be lost, they point to self

A calvinist says salvation can never be lost But they pump themselves up and say God put them up for salvation but not others

and a universalist says it does not matter what we believe, we will all get to heaven?

how can there be any unity between these three systems? When on the very core of their belief system is apposed to each other.

 

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The same word means test and tempt. As with Jesus being tested by Satan in the wilderness and the Spirit of God leading Jesus into the wilderness to be tempted by Satan.

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From G3984; to test (objectively), that is, endeavor, scrutinize, entice, discipline: - assay, examine, go about, prove, tempt (-er), try.

Their Creators knew that Adam would listen to his wife, his wife would be tempted/tested by the serpent, the serpent would use the tree of knowledge and knew Hitler would rise up and kill all those Jews.

Not any more my friend. We now can know as we have the mind of Christ and the Spirit of Christ. We have been elevated from servants to friends of Christ.
I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. Jn 15:15

James said do not let anyone accuse God of tempting them.. Is james wrong?

There is a difference between being tested. And being tempted.

I can not be tempted if I am following the spirit. I can only be tempted if I am prone to give into that temptation.

 

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I can not be tempted if I am following the spirit. I can only be tempted if I am prone to give into that temptation.

If the record is correct, Matthew reported that the Holy Spirit came upon Jesus like a dove.

Then went on to record that Holy Spirit led Jesus into the wilderness to be tempted.

So Jesus's Father had His Spirit lead Him to the tempter for the purpose of having His Son tempted.

So it was BECAUSE Jesus followed the Spirit that He ended up being tempted.

And if it happened to the Teacher it will happen to His student. Because I follow the leading of the Spirit I can expect to be led into tempted. But I can pray and ask Father not to lead me into temptation.

 

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If the record is correct, Matthew reported that the Holy Spirit came upon Jesus like a dove.

Then went on to record that Holy Spirit led Jesus into the wilderness to be tempted.

So Jesus's Father had His Spirit lead Him to the tempter for the purpose of having His Son tempted.

So it was BECAUSE Jesus followed the Spirit that He ended up being tempted.

And if it happened to the Teacher it will happen to His student. Because I follow the leading of the Spirit I can expect to be led into tempted. But I can pray and ask Father not to lead me into temptation.

So Your saying The father wanted jesus to sin?

or did he want to prove a point. That if we are seeking after the things of the spirit. We will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

ie. Satan tempted Jesus. But Jesus was really never tempted. Because he always served the father. because he trusted the father.

did he not show us the way?

 

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James said do not let anyone accuse God of tempting them.. Is james wrong?

There is a difference between being tested. And being tempted.

Was Jesus tempted or tested by Satan straight after His baptism?

Was Matthew, Mark and Luke wrong?

Didn't James read his bible to know that God led Jesus into temptation.

Or was the other 3 guys wrong with their conclusion.
Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

 

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Was Jesus tempted or tested by Satan straight after His baptism?

Did God tempt Jesus or did Satan?

Was Matthew, Mark and Luke wrong?

Was james wrong?

Didn't James read his bible to know that God led Jesus into temptation.

yes.

So tell me, was james wrong. Did he not say do not say when we are tempted we are tempted by God

Dan satan tempt Jesus or did God?

Or was the other 3 guys wrong with their conclusion.
Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Please answer my question.

Did GOD tempt satan. Did God create this temptation. Or did Satan tempt him..

while your at it.Can you tell us what the actual temptation was? Was was jesus really tempted to do?

 

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God invited satan to play a game?

Satan was created to carry out certain roles in God's grand production.

where do you come up with this thinking if I may ask?

This comes by revelation from the Author, Director, Producer of this movie blockbuster we all find ourselves in.

His Spirit communicating with my spirit giving ongoing information concerning Him and what He is doing.

God calls it a war. Are wars fun and Games?

The Divine production is being carried out by the Creator for His Own pleasure. He loves Himself. He loves His enemies. And everyone inbetween.

God designed Satan to play a vital role in this never ending production.

Lucifer became Satan who will be restored to his former state.
Then he will carry out an advanced role.

 

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So here we go. We have an appearance contradiction.

so how do we solve this contradiction?

If God temps no person with evil, then how did God create evil

if God created evil. By defenition. He is the one who temps. Because he created it to begin with.

Absolutely. Obviously God has been doing as He pleases. Whether we can make sense of this truth or not doesn't alter the fact that everything is going according to His script.

God is the Creator in Whom all truth and knowledge resides. What He desides to share with us is entirely up to Him.

He answers to no one. What He conjures up in His mind, plans, predestined, carries out is according to His unrestrained will. This is awesome news.

 

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Um no. God did not tempt adam,

if Adam had stayed true to his nature that God gave him, he never would have been tempted.

He was tempted when sin kept its ugly head and he questioned God.

So God did not send His messenger Satan to tempt the first humans? Satan chose to do this without his Creator's knowledge and without God's consent.

Or God allowed the show to go on, to continue so it unfolded just as it has to this day? But God could've stepped in at any time in the garden and sat in on the conversations Satan and Eve were having. He could've bound him up in the abyss, (sorry, get His Angels to bind him and cast him into the abyss) but God chose of His own volition to not intervene. Then that's on God.

 

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Would it be better off if God snapped his fingers the moment Adam and Eve sinned and started over?

This course of action obviously wasn't in God's script otherwise this would've actually happened.

lets think about this. How many adam and eves would God need to create before the two of them never sinned, and even if that be the case. When they had children, if one of them sinned, Does God again start over and wipe them out?

The Creator, Script Writter, Director, Producer has already predetermined what will happen. He wiped out a large part of this planet in order to purge it and make a fresh start through using Noah.

or Does God realise this is going to happen. And make a way to restore his creation to himself. But not become the God his enemy says he is, and not force his freedom or salvation on anyone.. but give us all an option to say yes lord I want this, or no lord. Take your salvation I do not want it

Again, the Owner of this, His own creation, always does as He pleases.

Many people have an overinflated option of themselves and their planet believing the Creator is doing everything for their benefit specifically. We know that the creations revolve around Him and He designed them for His benefit. If we gain anything in the course of our existence that's a bonus.

I make it all about Him not me, not us.

 

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Did God tempt Jesus or did Satan?

Was james wrong?

yes.

So tell me, was james wrong. Did he not say do not say when we are tempted we are tempted by God

Dan satan tempt Jesus or did God?

Please answer my question.

Did GOD tempt satan. Did God create this temptation. Or did Satan tempt him..

while your at it.Can you tell us what the actual temptation was? Was was jesus really tempted to do?

I like your question. Was it God or was it Satan who tempted Jesus?

It was the devil who tempted Jesus.

It was the Spirit Who led Jesus to be tempted by the devil.

It was God Who had His Spirit lead Jesus to be tempted by the devil.

So who was the mastermind behind this event? Who participated in carrying it out?

 

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Satan was created to carry out certain roles in God's grand production.

If I remember right, He ws created to guard the throne room of God. He was put in a high position of power. And this power went to his head. And instead of chosing to love like God. He chose to rebel and claim he was better than or equal to God..

This comes by revelation from the Author, Director, Producer of this movie blockbuster we all find ourselves in.

His Spirit communicating with my spirit giving ongoing information concerning Him and what He is doing.

I do not know who is communicating with you. But I wuld stick to the word of God.

The Divine production is being carried out by the Creator for His Own pleasure. He loves Himself. He loves His enemies. And everyone inbetween.

God designed Satan to play a vital role in this never ending production.

Lucifer became Satan who will be restored to his former state.
Then he will carry out an advanced role.

lol. Now this is a pipe dream, a fantasy or whatever you want to call it.

But it is not based on fact. It may make a good blockbuster movie though :)