Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

[Grailhunter]

yeah i would not sit under these men that always try and make the warnings seem as doom n gloom .
I shun they doctrine too .
Since when was being urgent and reminding folks that the coming of JESUS drew nigh
EVER SEEN as DOOM and GLOOM by paul who sait it often as did james and others .
ITS seen as doom and gloom today cause most folks TOO IN LOVE WITH THIS WORLD and THIS LIFE .
of course i am not accusing you . just REMINDING US of a solid fact .

Speaking of the end is just a part of the message put since that message was given how many lives have been lived. The end is the end but there are Christian lives to be lived and message of how we should live our lives is important because if we do not live our lives according to the words of Christ and the Apostles the end will not be good.

And how you describe the end sets the tone of your message. For Christians the end is a time of joy….

And I have to say you need to mix it up a bit. Just friendly advice. The tone of your messages seem to dwell in the negative......talk about what you think Christian love is.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

hey barney i have a question for you .
DO you beleive the baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT replaces the water one .
OR did you believe as did peter , when he even saw the gentiles recieve the baptism
of the SPIRIT and still say , HEY can any man forbid water that these may also be baptized .
I have a real simple saying .
IF the early church did it , WE DO IT . simple enough for me .

that baptism of the spirit and water baptism are two events

1. I God saving us

2. The other is done in obedience to God.

one we can do, one is done to us.

one is a work of righteousness, The other is the work of God..

 

[amigo de christo]

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.

Yes . and yet todays charity might have this appearance
but it sure seems to not rejoice IN TRUTH but rather in lies and in inquities . oh it has some good works
but it sure seems to love a lie and it sure seems to hate bibical truth .
Ever get the feeling the devil can say GOD is love and yet mislead folks through his version of said love .
Cause i sure do . JESUS IS GETTING DENIED through this love
and not only that they got him up there holding rainbows and other sins . only THAT AINT JESUS at all
that there is rejoicing IN INQUITY .

 

[amigo de christo]

that baptism of the spirit and water baptism are two events

1. I God saving us

2. The other is done in obedience to God.

one we can do, one is done to us.

one is a work of righteousness, The other is the work of God..

Correct my friend .

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes . and yet todays charity might have this appearance
but it sure seems to not rejoice IN TRUTH but rather in lies and in inquities . oh it has some good works
but it sure seems to love a lie and it sure seems to hate bibical truth .
Ever get the feeling the devil can say GOD is love and yet mislead folks through his version of said love .
Cause i sure do . JESUS IS GETTING DENIED through this love
and not only that they got him up there holding rainbows and other sins . only THAT AINT JESUS at all
that there is rejoicing IN INQUITY .

We are Born Again therefore saved from eternal damnation...we are spirit children under the power of the Holy Spirit...

You aren’t saved unless you are Born Of God’s seed , ( Living seed)

 

[Johann]

You know what would have been so nice
if folks had actually called one another and read the bible together over the phone .
I DO this and have done this with others . I mean JUST reading it my friend .
Things get cleared up real fast this way . internet witnessing can be quite tough indeed .
cause often folks either get too upset
or misunderstand and think maybe the other one is accusing them
or something . I have found it to be quite simple to just read the bible with folks
over the phone . very peaceful and very good for the soul too .

There's more to it--practical assisting from the Church or local community. But the churches in SA are lukewarm.

 

[amigo de christo]

Speaking of the end is just a part of the message put since that message was given how many lives have been lived. The end is the end but there are Christian lives to be lived and message of how we should live our lives is important because if we do not live our lives according to the words of Christ and the Apostles the end will not be good.

And how you describe the end sets the tone of your message. For Christians the end is a time of joy….

And I have to say you need to mix it up a bit. Just friendly advice. The tone of your messages seem to dwell in the negative......talk about what you think Christian love is.

me and a sister always talk about the JOY that cometh at the end of our faith .
Now you might be wondering why i dont just do certain things .
WELL when i see error its not like i can talk about JOY or etc .
The problem here is , there is a heavy error that has began to infiltrate .
OH its a strong delusion all right and its meant to gather all the faiths and the false religoins .
There are often times i come here and encourage all to praise the LORD .
But there are simply times when gotta be grave my friend . Just do as the SPIRIT Leads and bids me to do .
Hope that helps my friend .

 

[Grailhunter]

who now even use the name YESHUA , they also decieve the heck out of folks too .

Is there something wrong about using Christ's real name? Is there something wrong with people not caring enough to know His name?

And yes the Jews started to create their own religion after the Temple was destroyed.....and some say even before.

 

[amigo de christo]

We are Born Again therefore saved from eternal damnation...we are spirit children under the power of the Holy Spirit...

You aren’t saved unless you are Born Of God’s seed , ( Living seed)

TRUE . and no man born again calls JESUS , calls GOD a liar .
but many claim to be born again and yet seem to call GOD a liar concerning the testimony HE gave of HIS SON .
The thing is , and this does bring me much sadness to type this , MOST FOLKS are NOT and have NOT BEEN BORN AGAIN .
I MEAN darn , if they dont even beleive the true gospel , THEN TELL ME HOW ON EARTH THEY ARE BORN AGAIN .
cause the last time i checked we are born of SPIRIT ,and the SPIRIT IS TRUTH ,
WHERE is the evidence .
WE are saved and having been saved this lamb GONNA PREACH N TEACH and contiually remind all
ABOUT THE ONE THEY DO NEED TO BELIEVE ON , that would be THE ONLY NAME given BY GOD
under heaven whereby one may be saved .
That if they will call UPON HIS NAME they shall be saved .
IT DIDNT say hey if they call upon budda , or allah or whatever and did some good things they are saved .
NO MAM and NO SIRS . i refuse to be moved one ounce from the one true gospel that do save .

 

[amigo de christo]

Is there something wrong about using Christ's real name? Is there something wrong with people not caring enough to know His name?

And yes the Jews started to create their own religion after the Temple was destroyed.....and some say even before.

Talk about a wrong . i see folks trying to teach and to imply
that other religoins serve the same GOD we do
and that all they need is love and it dont matter if they beleived on JESUS THE CHRIST . talk about the WRONG STUFF .
but this is the ever growing mindset in todays common ground satanic fake love unity junk . its gonna damn every last one of them too .
And dont think one can lip the name of JESUS and say WELL HE IS My way
but others dont have to believe on HIM . CAUSE THEY gonna get it worse than the ice cold who did not beleive .

 

[Grailhunter]

me and a sister always talk about the JOY that cometh at the end of our faith .
Now you might be wondering why i dont just do certain things .
WELL when i see error its not like i can talk about JOY or etc .
The problem here is , there is a heavy error that has began to infiltrate .
OH its a strong delusion all right and its meant to gather all the faiths and the false religoins .
There are often times i come here and encourage all to praise the LORD .
But there are simply times when gotta be grave my friend . Just do as the SPIRIT Leads and bids me to do .
Hope that helps my friend .

Read what you just wrote.
You have a message of condemnation with no instruction.
Explain specifically what is wrong and what is right.

 

[amigo de christo]

I do as i do cause i desire none to perish . but its gonna cause only more hatred to rise against me
and the lambs for doing so . oh well , at least some might hear and beleive .

 

[amigo de christo]

Read what you just wrote.
You have a message of condemnation with no instruction.
Explain specifically what is wrong and what is right.

i continually leave instruction . it just dont get heeded .
SO allow me to say it again . ITS TIME we read the bible for ouserlves
and stay refreshed it in daily , even have reads with others .
cause we sure as heck aint hearing in a lot of places anymore .
IN fact i offer up this challenge today . I have offered this challenge up before .
I invite all to read the bible a couple of hours daily , read the letters as a whole .
dont say we dont have the time cause most of us do spend a lot of time on computer
not to mention many can sit a few hours a night and watch them tv .
WE do got the time . i work and i have the time .
SO lets do this . lets start with one month .
Believe you me we gonna see a whole different mindset in them apostels and in CHRIST
than we see in a lot of men today . just keep reading it . enjoy .

 

[amigo de christo]

people can debate over politics for hours . i same its time we put the hours into learning FROM GOD
and get us back into the bible .
I hope that encouaraged us all my friends .

 

[amigo de christo]

There's more to it--practical assisting from the Church or local community. But the churches in SA are lukewarm.

well even in the bible it speaks of this .
my point is most do not know the bible . what they know is what men taught them about the bible .
OH they do know some truths but they also know them some error big time too .
people can spend hours reading books from a pastor or commenateries etc
how come they just cant read the bible . there is a big point to this .
And if we did this i am telling us things get very simple and plain again .
its true the sense of being grave and sincere and serious WILL increase
but so too will the joy , the hope in the LORD . I cant stress it enough , bible time my friends .
Be encouraged my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Read what you just wrote.
You have a message of condemnation with no instruction.
Explain specifically what is wrong and what is right.

LOVE . love .
you keep implying i believe love is wrong .
NO its the version of love getting taught and implied within many many a church that is wrong .
IT aint COMING from GOD but is of the world .

 

[Grailhunter]

LOVE . love .
you keep implying i believe love is wrong .
NO its the version of love getting taught and implied within many many a church that is wrong .
IT aint COMING from GOD but is of the world .

So what do you think the right version is.

 

[Johann]

well even in the bible it speaks of this .
my point is most do not know the bible . what they know is what men taught them about the bible .
OH they do know some truths but they also know them some error big time too .
people can spend hours reading books from a pastor or commenateries etc
how come they just cant read the bible . there is a big point to this .
And if we did this i am telling us things get very simple and plain again .
its true the sense of being grave and sincere and serious WILL increase
but so too will the joy , the hope in the LORD . I cant stress it enough , bible time my friends .
Be encouraged my friend .

I said there is more to Christianity than just "lipping it" Matt. 25 and James comes to mind immediately and persecution a MUST.

 

[amigo de christo]

So what do you think the right version is.

The biblical one .
its how i can easily expose the false love .
for example many say GOD is love and they even try and say homsexual behavoir is love .
But i can show them by the defnition of charity this is not the case . its love of the world , BUT NOT THE REAL LOVE OF GOD .
well so too i can expose this lie that all other religoins serve the same GOD we do
As they try and imply they have no need to repent of said religion and believe on JESUS the CHRIST .
But that aint love . not from GOD .
Because it implies a lie . OH it makes GOD sound loving , but is that really GOD , is that HIS MESSAGE .
HE LOVES , HE DESIRES NONE TO PERISH
but this lie will not save them , they will perish . SO how is that love to allow them to believe a lie .
ITs not .
SEE charity rejoices IN THE TRUTH , not in inquity , those who love and make a lie they perish .
And JESUS himself says something real interesting .
HE told the unbelieving jews this . YOU DO NOT HAVE THE LOVE OF GOD IN YOU
for you do not beleive IN HE whom GOD DID SEND .
KEY RIGHT THERE TO PROVE that all unbelievers DO NOT HAVE THE LOVE OF GOD in them .
HAD you LOVED GOD you would have LOVED ME for i came forth of GOD .
SO all other religoins , even the unbelievign jews can claim to LOVE GOD .
THEY DONT . TIME we preach the real love of GOD .
THIS IS THE LOVE OF GOD That HE SENT HIS SON INTO THE WORLD
to save sinners . That GOD so loved the WORLD that he did send HIS only begotten SON
that all who do , BELIEVE , there that word is again , BELIEVE IN HIM shall not perish but have everlasting life .
HE who believes , BELIEVES in HIM , shall not persih but has everlasting life .
HE who believes not , IS CONDMENED already , CONDMENED , not saved , CONDMENED
because he has not BELIEVED on the NAME of the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD .
HOWS THAT FOR SOME LOVE my friends .
And remember love dont rejoice in inquity , so DONT expect JESUS to be holding a diverse and inclusive rainbow .
IN fact you want me to show you how i expose this by using JUST the new testament .
ITS easy .
CHARITY rejoices in the truth , not in inquity , it does not behave itself unseemingly .
NOW lets go read romans one .
And likewise did the man leave the natural use of the woman and burned in their LUST one towards
another working that which is UNSEEMINGLY . only CHARITY , LOVE DONT BEHAVE ITSELF unseemingly .
THE MORE we know that bible the better off we are my friend .

 

[Grailhunter]

Read the charity chapter .
Then go too and behold HOW JESUS interacted .
DID he go to dinner with those who invited him . YES HE DID
DID HE CORRECT their errors YES HE DID . HE didnt just sit and laugh and joke and make light of sin .

IF we go anywhere , we do not HIDE the light of CHRIST .
if anyone invites us to dinner , yes even unbelievers , we can go to dinner .
BUT we are responsible for them and to them .
We dont talk about the sinful things they do .
The thing is if we actually behaved as we should
folks might actually get saved , or , OR they would cast you out in time .
They would say , OH lets not invite that bible thumper again .
You see the reason why most folks keep getting invited back to dinners
with unbelievers , IS CAUSE THEY GO WITH THE FLOW OF THE UNBELIEVER .
But if we do as JESUS did , well you can bet two things . ONE they might repent and hear you . AMEN
or they might sit and say nothing or maybe mock . But soon enough you will be cast out for HIS name sake .
CAUSE WE DIDNT JUST GO WITH THE FLOW of sin . the church has no idea in large of what i am even talking about .
ITS been trying to find common ground for far too long .

You know we do not know what all Christ said and did when He ate and drank with the unsaved. It would be good to know the details. The scripture are an extremely abbreviated account of what went on and people have tendency to fill in the blanks.

The ability to socialize and fellowship is part of sharing the Gospel. If you go in offending the whole group your message will be of no effect.