Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

[amigo de christo]

I said there is more to Christianity than just "lipping it" Matt. 25 and James comes to mind immediately and persecution a MUST.

and so too does the bible say that . What you say i agree with , EVEN the bible says
and talks about lip only faith . see . the more we know the scrips the better off we are .
You are correct we ought to be doing good to all . even feeding our enemies if they do hunger ,
keeping the gospel of CHRIST at the forefront of it all . Thanks for the reminder my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

You know we do not know what all Christ said and did when He ate and drank with the unsaved. It would be good to know the details. The scripture are an extremely abbreviated account of what went on and people have tendency to fill in the blanks.

The ability to socialize and fellowship is part of sharing the Gospel. If you go in offending the whole group your message will be of no effect.

we see he corrected error . that much isvery clear .
in fact one cannot show me one time where jesus laughed at an error or overlooked an error .
I can show us where he did , however expose errors .

 

[Grailhunter]

christain love can be seen in what JESUS DID
and later what the apostels did . ps they did correct sin and error .
Even paul got so stirred up in the SPIRIT when he seen how they were given to IDOLARTY
that he CORRECTED IT . just saying .

This is what I mean that it is not enough to know what the scriptures said….but also the over all spirit of the scriptures.
I even see Christ’s humor in what He said about the prostitute that washed His feet with her hair.

 

[Grailhunter]

i continually leave instruction . it just dont get heeded .
SO allow me to say it again . ITS TIME we read the bible for ouserlves
and stay refreshed it in daily , even have reads with others .
cause we sure as heck aint hearing in a lot of places anymore .
IN fact i offer up this challenge today . I have offered this challenge up before .
I invite all to read the bible a couple of hours daily , read the letters as a whole .
dont say we dont have the time cause most of us do spend a lot of time on computer
not to mention many can sit a few hours a night and watch them tv .
WE do got the time . i work and i have the time .
SO lets do this . lets start with one month .
Believe you me we gonna see a whole different mindset in them apostels and in CHRIST
than we see in a lot of men today . just keep reading it . enjoy .

Do you believe that Christians do not read the Bible? You have to be more specific than that.

 

[amigo de christo]

You know we do not know what all Christ said and did when He ate and drank with the unsaved. It would be good to know the details. The scripture are an extremely abbreviated account of what went on and people have tendency to fill in the blanks.

The ability to socialize and fellowship is part of sharing the Gospel. If you go in offending the whole group your message will be of no effect.

most folks dont act like a devil now do they . at least not in public .
i already know this my friend .
As far as the scrips , there are quite a few places in them that show us where
if one was in error JESUS did correct them at said dinners .
HE even rebuked several who had INVITED him .
JESUS was not trying to find common ground with unbelievers .
HE was witnessing to them .
In fact i will easily show you what i have in common with an unbeliever . NOTHING GOOD .
i mean the flesh is about the only thing we got in common and i sure dont want to follow its example .
We got duped into this trying to find common ground .
THEY changed the way we evangelized . this occurred a LONG time ago my friend
and its gotten only worse ever since . They sure did love their catch phrases too
ONLY use words when necessary , till soon that became dont even preach to them about JESUS the CHRIST .
BUT lets go to acts and see what and how paul and others preached to the gentiles and to the jews .
THEY WERE not trying to find common ground , they actually PREACHED JESUS THE CHRIST .
as we should too my friend . i know it canbe quite an intimidating world my friend .
Believe me . i remember back in the day when i had witnessed to a homosexual .
Then the next day he and his transgender buddies all came into my store . ready to do battle .
IT can be a little intimidating , BUT FEAR THEM NOT , GOD will give us a mouth
In fact boldness is only a prayer away . I Get it my friend . the flesh can try and produce fear in us .
BUT heed it not . PRAY TO GOD for utterance that we may bodly speak the truth . HE will give it .

 

[amigo de christo]

Do you believe that Christians do not read the Bible? You have to be more specific than that.

most dont . or lets say at most they read it through the lens of their pastor .
Through either OSAS , or prosperity or etc .
What they dont do is read it for themselves . OF if they do its once or twice
and then they stop . Guess it gets boring to a lot of christains
as they had rather learn tickled sermons that ease them itchy ears .
I MEAN darn they can read every joel ostein
or circle makers or shack or whatever one writes . BUT the bible , OH we dont got time for that ol book
our pastor can teach us that . now i aint accusing ALL christains , just the majority of them .

 

[Grailhunter]

LOVE . love .
you keep implying i believe love is wrong .
NO its the version of love getting taught and implied within many many a church that is wrong .
IT aint COMING from GOD but is of the world .

No you keep imply that love is wrong. So if the version of love that is being taught is wrong, explain what should be taught about love. A critic is not a leader.

 

[Grailhunter]

The biblical one .
its how i can easily expose the false love .
for example many say GOD is love and they even try and say homsexual behavoir is love .
But i can show them by the defnition of charity this is not the case . its love of the world , BUT NOT THE REAL LOVE OF GOD .
well so too i can expose this lie that all other religoins serve the same GOD we do
As they try and imply they have no need to repent of said religion and believe on JESUS the CHRIST .
But that aint love . not from GOD .
Because it implies a lie . OH it makes GOD sound loving , but is that really GOD , is that HIS MESSAGE .
HE LOVES , HE DESIRES NONE TO PERISH
but this lie will not save them , they will perish . SO how is that love to allow them to believe a lie .
ITs not .
SEE charity rejoices IN THE TRUTH , not in inquity , those who love and make a lie they perish .
And JESUS himself says something real interesting .
HE told the unbelieving jews this . YOU DO NOT HAVE THE LOVE OF GOD IN YOU
for you do not beleive IN HE whom GOD DID SEND .
KEY RIGHT THERE TO PROVE that all unbelievers DO NOT HAVE THE LOVE OF GOD in them .
HAD you LOVED GOD you would have LOVED ME for i came forth of GOD .
SO all other religoins , even the unbelievign jews can claim to LOVE GOD .
THEY DONT . TIME we preach the real love of GOD .
THIS IS THE LOVE OF GOD That HE SENT HIS SON INTO THE WORLD
to save sinners . That GOD so loved the WORLD that he did send HIS only begotten SON
that all who do , BELIEVE , there that word is again , BELIEVE IN HIM shall not perish but have everlasting life .
HE who believes , BELIEVES in HIM , shall not persih but has everlasting life .
HE who believes not , IS CONDMENED already , CONDMENED , not saved , CONDMENED
because he has not BELIEVED on the NAME of the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD .
HOWS THAT FOR SOME LOVE my friends .
And remember love dont rejoice in inquity , so DONT expect JESUS to be holding a diverse and inclusive rainbow .
IN fact you want me to show you how i expose this by using JUST the new testament .
ITS easy .
CHARITY rejoices in the truth , not in inquity , it does not behave itself unseemingly .
NOW lets go read romans one .
And likewise did the man leave the natural use of the woman and burned in their LUST one towards
another working that which is UNSEEMINGLY . only CHARITY , LOVE DONT BEHAVE ITSELF unseemingly .
THE MORE we know that bible the better off we are my friend .

Well I agree with most of that but what your pointing out is what Christian love is not. Now define what Christian love is.

 

[Grailhunter]

most folks dont act like a devil now do they . at least not in public .
i already know this my friend .
As far as the scrips , there are quite a few places in them that show us where
if one was in error JESUS did correct them at said dinners .
HE even rebuked several who had INVITED him .
JESUS was not trying to find common ground with unbelievers .
HE was witnessing to them .
In fact i will easily show you what i have in common with an unbeliever . NOTHING GOOD .
i mean the flesh is about the only thing we got in common and i sure dont want to follow its example .
We got duped into this trying to find common ground .
THEY changed the way we evangelized . this occurred a LONG time ago my friend
and its gotten only worse ever since . They sure did love their catch phrases too
ONLY use words when necessary , till soon that became dont even preach to them about JESUS the CHRIST .
BUT lets go to acts and see what and how paul and others preached to the gentiles and to the jews .
THEY WERE not trying to find common ground , they actually PREACHED JESUS THE CHRIST .
as we should too my friend . i know it canbe quite an intimidating world my friend .
Believe me . i remember back in the day when i had witnessed to a homosexual .
Then the next day he and his transgender buddies all came into my store . ready to do battle .
IT can be a little intimidating , BUT FEAR THEM NOT , GOD will give us a mouth
In fact boldness is only a prayer away . I Get it my friend . the flesh can try and produce fear in us .
BUT heed it not . PRAY TO GOD for utterance that we may bodly speak the truth . HE will give it .

What do you have in common with unbeliever?
An opportunity to share the Gospel. An opportunity to lead them to the Way of salvation.

Do you think the Apostles went into a world of believers. Do you think they approached them with distain and condemnation?

An unbeliever is just someone that has not seen the light yet. You can be that light. But turning them off first does not work.

 

[Grailhunter]

most dont . or lets say at most they read it through the lens of their pastor .
Through either OSAS , or prosperity or etc .
What they dont do is read it for themselves . OF if they do its once or twice
and then they stop . Guess it gets boring to a lot of christains
as they had rather learn tickled sermons that ease them itchy ears .
I MEAN darn they can read every joel ostein
or circle makers or shack or whatever one writes . BUT the bible , OH we dont got time for that ol book
our pastor can teach us that . now i aint accusing ALL christains , just the majority of them .

Well I can tell that a lot of people on this forum have read the Bible. They may not get it exactly right but they have read a lot of it.

 

[amigo de christo]

What do you have in common with unbeliever?
An opportunity to share the Gospel. An opportunity to lead them to the Way of salvation.

Do you think the Apostles went into a world of believers. Do you think they approached them with distain and condemnation?

An unbeliever is just someone that has not seen the light yet. You can be that light. But turning them off first does not work.

What do you have in common with unbeliever?
An opportunity to share the Gospel. An opportunity to lead them to the Way of salvation.

Do you think the Apostles went into a world of believers. Do you think they approached them with distain and condemnation?

An unbeliever is just someone that has not seen the light yet. You can be that light. But turning them off first does not work.

actually that is not what we have IN COMMON .
but yes you are correct we do have an opportunity to share the Gospel . yes .
Who said anything about the unbeliever being rebuked etc .
I speak of those who claim to BELIEVE in JESUS the CHRIST . if they are in sin
and we know they are , Its getting rebuked and very fast too .
The church gotta correct the church . i see far too many rainbows , love of money
an etc getting over looked within their church .
Anyone and i do mean ANYONE is welcome to enter into the church .
BUT that church better be preaching n teaching truth .
And if anyone who does enter in cliams to already believe on JESUS the CHRIST
and we KNOW THEY IN SIN , they get warning and pattern CHRIST taught and later the apostels taught .
And we all know its real easy to discern CERTAIN sins . now other sins we might not know about .
But when i see two men , married men , hollering GOD is love and they love JESUS and they sitting in a church
THAT NEEDS TO BE REBUKED BEFORE ALL big time as with any sin .
Those who sin rebuke before all so that others might fear . Enough with just allowing leaven to rise up .

 

[amigo de christo]

Well I can tell that a lot of people on this forum have read the Bible. They may not get it exactly right but they have read a lot of it.

Rather odd my friend , from what i can see most have not really learned it all that well .
Some know much but many know serious falsehoods . AND I mean DEADLY ONES that will rip the life right outta a soul .
More and more are now beginning to believe a lie my friend . and that lie gets exposed on my watch .
So allow me just once more to expose the lie by saying the truth .
ALL other religoins serve satan , are under the power and influence of satan.
Delivering you from the people
and the gentiles , to whom NOW I SEND YOU
to open their eyes
to deliver them from darkness unto light
and from the POWER OF SATAN ......................
JESUS TOLD that to paul . EVERYONE was under the power and influence of satan .
THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY OUT OF THAT MESS . time to preach the gospel .
read acts chapter twenty and six again .
There are many places in the bible i can bring us to show us .
As i said it sure does a soul real good to stay glued in that bible .
By the grace of GOD , and i do mean GRACE OF GOD ,
HE put me into that holy beautiful book on may thirtieth .
I , by grace have read it daily for hours ever since . OH IT DO COME TOGETHER my friend .
that was may thiritieth of two thousand and SIX . been over eighteen years now .
AND i dont saythat to boast in me nor to try and make you think ya dont have to test me .
I say it cause MAN IT DO A SOUL REAL REAL GOOD . why you think i sound so darn different
to todays generation and why do you think i keep trying to get folks back INTO that bible .
Man things can be cleared up . they sure can . men have screwed things up my friend .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Rather odd my friend , from what i can see most have not really learned it all that well .
Some know much but many know serious falsehoods . AND I mean DEADLY ONES that will rip the life right outta a soul .
More and more are now beginning to believe a lie my friend . and that lie gets exposed on my watch .
So allow me just once more to expose the lie by saying the truth .
ALL other religoins serve satan , are under the power and influence of satan.
Delivering you from the people
and the gentiles , to whom NOW I SEND YOU
to open their eyes
to deliver them from darkness unto light
and from the POWER OF SATAN ......................
JESUS TOLD that to paul . EVERYONE was under the power and influence of satan .
THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY OUT OF THAT MESS . time to preach the gospel .
read acts chapter twenty and six again .
There are many places in the bible i can bring us to show us .
As i said it sure does a soul real good to stay glued in that bible .
By the grace of GOD , and i do mean GRACE OF GOD ,
HE put me into that holy beautiful book on may thirtieth .
I , by grace have read it daily for hours ever since . OH IT DO COME TOGETHER my friend .
that was may thiritieth of two thousand and SIX . been over eighteen years now .
AND i dont saythat to boast in me nor to try and make you think ya dont have to test me .
I say it cause MAN IT DO A SOUL REAL REAL GOOD . why you think i sound so darn different
to todays generation and why do you think i keep trying to get folks back INTO that bible .
Man things can be cleared up . they sure can . men have screwed things up my friend .

Brother is spotted.

 

[amigo de christo]

Well I agree with most of that but what your pointing out is what Christian love is not. Now define what Christian love is.

It rejoices IN THE TRUTH .
wanna hear something scary my friend .
many folks believe they have love if they are JUST feeding the poor and etc
and it dont matter whether they believe in Christ or not .
What a whopper that one is
cause even if i gave all my goods to feed the poor yet had not charity
GONNA PROFIT ME NOTHING .
so remember that charity REJOICES IN THE TRUTH , not inquity , not a lie .
Now of course i know that doing good to others is part of the love of a christain
but it aint the whole taco my friend . i do know if one sees their brother has a need
but wont give , THE LOVE of GOD , how does that dwell in them .
WE gots to learn more and more and keep refreshed in the bible too .
You see we gots us a false social inclusive gospel getting sold .
And that gospel , no matter that if do have some good works mentioned , AINT SAVING A ONE OF THEM .
they forgot the part about HAVING TO BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST . kind all in vain if one BELIEVES NOT .
And if even cornelious who did beleive in the jewish GOD and did many good works and alms
STILL had to hear the gospel and BELIEVE tobe saved . man THEY ALL DO . TIME
to preach again , to remind again the DIRE NEED TO REPENT and BELEIVE ON JESUS AS THE CHRIST .
ps , mulims follow another jesus and that jesus aint JESUS THE CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

Brother is spotted.

meine schwester ist hier . Let all that draws breath both praise and thank and continually thank the glorious LORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

On those feet peoples , its two forty here and eight forty in the uk
, ITS LORD praising time in the building . There simply is no such thing as too much praise and thanskgivings to the glorious LORD

 

[Grailhunter]

It rejoices IN THE TRUTH .
wanna hear something scary my friend .
many folks believe they have love if they are JUST feeding the poor and etc
and it dont matter whether they believe in Christ or not .
What a whopper that one is
cause even if i gave all my goods to feed the poor yet had not charity
GONNA PROFIT ME NOTHING .
so remember that charity REJOICES IN THE TRUTH , not inquity , not a lie .
Now of course i know that doing good to others is part of the love of a christain
but it aint the whole taco my friend . i do know if one sees their brother has a need
but wont give , THE LOVE of GOD , how does that dwell in them .
WE gots to learn more and more and keep refreshed in the bible too .
You see we gots us a false social inclusive gospel getting sold .
And that gospel , no matter that if do have some good works mentioned , AINT SAVING A ONE OF THEM .
they forgot the part about HAVING TO BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST . kind all in vain if one BELIEVES NOT .
And if even cornelious who did beleive in the jewish GOD and did many good works and alms
STILL had to hear the gospel and BELIEVE tobe saved . man THEY ALL DO . TIME
to preach again , to remind again the DIRE NEED TO REPENT and BELEIVE ON JESUS AS THE CHRIST .
ps , mulims follow another jesus and that jesus aint JESUS THE CHRIST .

Do you think that Christ only died for the saved?

Do you think that Christ only healed people that believed in Him?

Do you think the prostitute and the woman caught in adultery believed in Him or where Christians? How about feeding the 5000?

 

[amigo de christo]

Do you think that Christ only died for the saved?

Do you think that Christ only healed people that believed in Him?

Do you think the prostitute and the woman caught in adultery believed in Him or where Christians? How about feeding the 5000?

He never died for the saved . and tis why we gotta preach the gospel
so that all who do believe will be saved .
You keep asking questions . but i dont seem to notice you agreeing
with me about the fact other religoins are false and do not know GOD .
SO how bout we answer that first .
All of what you are saying will never justify this false inclusive lie they have sold to us .
So lets answer the real big kahuna shall we .
YOU dont really believe this lie they are trying to sell to us .........................do you .
I mean it is a lie . all other religoins do serve satan they just do so through their false religoin .
TIME we preach JESUS to all.
NOW as far as doing good to all . YES . i would feed a hungry muslim or any religoin
but you can rest assured i would also feed them the real gospel too .
Cause they are trapped in a lie my friend . the muslims do not serve the same GOD as we do
Look again real closely at the book called the bible .
I will show you what THE TRUE CHRIST once told to even the jews .
HAD YOU REALLY BELEIVED MOSES you would have believed me .
IF YE WERE TRULY ABRAHAMS children you would do the works of abraham .
THEY claimed moses ,they claimed to follow the law and the prophets
and abraham . THEY DIDNT .
FOR HE WHOM ABRAHAM ,MOSES , THE PROPHETS AND TORAH POINTED TOO , THEY DID NOT BELIEVE HIM AS THE CHRIST .
GUESS WHAT < Muslims can holler all day we are of abraham too , we know torah , we know the prophets .
YEAH , NO THEY DONT . FOR THEY had come rather to JESUS THE CHRIST
and not some other jesus and a lie . I tell us all i can do this all day with the scrips . and it aint cause i am all knowing
or better than anyone . BUT MAN IT SURE DO A SOUL REAL GOOD to know that bible real well .

 

[amigo de christo]

Do you think that Christ only died for the saved?

Do you think that Christ only healed people that believed in Him?

Do you think the prostitute and the woman caught in adultery believed in Him or where Christians? How about feeding the 5000?

The saved , did you say the saved . there is NONE who righteous .
JESUS never came to call the righteous but rather sinners to REPENTANCE .
and again , THEER IS NONE WHO IS rigtheous , though the pharisees sure thought they were in their own eyes .
Do you really believe as do many
that there are good people in every relgion who love GOD .
NO SIR . number one THERE IS NONE WHO IS GOOD
and number two HAD THEY LOVED GOD THEY WOULD HAVE LOVED JESUS THE CHRIST whom HE DID SEND .
so we can do this all day . I got lots of biblical ammo whereby i can expose this lie of men .
are you interested in hearing more my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

yall gonna find out i aint the hater or the monster , its just by grace i do know the bible
and its why i wont bend the knee to no false incluisive dung pile lie that wont save anyone .