Define salvation. ( what is "the Gospel")

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Mjh29

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I have no idea what you're attempting to say. If you're baptized, you are regenerated. You become a new creature, you're born again, a child of God and member of the Lord's body which is the church.
Hello friend!

While I certainly wish that this were true, the simple fact is that there are plenty of examples of people who have been baptized and yet turn away from Christ and His Kingdom - their fruits are evidence that they were never of the people of God in the first place, and that the waters they were baptized into did not change their hearts.
Baptism does not save. It is a sign and symbol of marvelous and wonderful blessing for those who are Christ's and an outward profession and inclusion into the visible body. Unfortunately, being a member of the visible body does not equate to being regenerated in the heart and soul.
 
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I would love to have a fruitful discussion on the topic if you'd like? I'd need a moment to gather my thoughts as well as some of my notes and materials on the topic, but if you'd want to have a discussion rooted in the Scriptures, I am very happy to do so with you! (though I do not want to make you feel bombarded by information either, as I tend to ramble lfh)
 

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Have to agree - Baptismal Regeneration is an unfortunate misunderstanding of the meaning behind the sign and symbol of baptism. Baptismal waters do NOT regenerate

If water could save, could forgive sin, could redeem us, then we'd all be redeemed everytime we took a shower or a bath.

The city water supply is not going to do anything but get you wet.
 
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If water could save, could forgive sin, could redeem us, then we'd all be redeemed everytime we took a shower or a bath.

The city water supply is not going to do anything but get you wet.
I agree that water does not save, absolutely. It is a sign and symbol of blessing, and recognition of being a member of the visible body of Christ, but it is Christ's blood, and ONLY His blood, merited to our sinful accounts, that brings redemption from sin.
 
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The purpose is to symbolically signify your resurrection with Christ.

See, if water baptism could save you, then Why did Christ Have to suffer and die on The Cross?



There is no "water baptism" in the verse.
You are putting it there, because you have been taught that its in there.

Born of water, is not water baptism.,

See, if you were born of Water... as the water cults teach it, then there would be no need for the "born again".., as the "born of water" would be the born again.

So, the born of water is you being born= naturally, as a baby, and the BORN AGAIN.. is God doing that by His Holy Spirit.

What is that, youspeak? Did you even read my post?
 

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Paradise is not below the earth. It's the 3rd heaven.

2 Cor 12

2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

That's right!

I guess nobody has read my posts!
 

MA2444

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All the Apostles Baptized their Converts, after their Converts believed and were born again, first.

If you own a bible, then read Acts 8.

Philip told the Eunuch, "yes you may be water baptized, IF you have believed in Jesus with all your heart first".

See the faith part?
The BELIEVING PART?
That is what God accepts to save you... and then now being saved, born again, go and get wet.. enjoy your water baptism.... and praise God for having already saved you, on the way there.

So Phillip was in the cult?
 

MA2444

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It is good to "do", after you are born again.

But its not true to teach that Water Baptism is required for Salvation.

Awesome, good idea! If you go back and actually read my posts you might see that I said water baptism is not needed for salvation. It's worth a try?
 

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So Phillip was in the cult?

Did Philip believe that Mary was a perpetual virgin, who flew to heaven in her dead body. as the Catholic Cult teaches?

Not according to the NT.

So, Philip, told the Eunuch, that he could be water baptized ......If...... He had believed on Jesus with "all his heart".

See that "believing with all your heart'?

That is FAITH..........and that is what God accepts to accept us..

"faith is counted by God"...

He does not accept water baptism as HIS RESON for saving someone.
 

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Did Philip believe that Mary was a perpetual virgin, who flew to heaven in her dead body. as the Catholic Cult teaches?

Not according to the NT.

So, Philip, told the Eunuch, that he could be water baptized ......If...... He had believed on Jesus with "all his heart".

See that "believing with all your heart'?

That is FAITH..........and that is what God accepts to accept us..

"faith is counted by God"...

He does not accept water baptism as HIS RESON for saving someone.

Yeah but what I dont get, is, who has said it does in this thread?
 

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I had started another thread earlier and evidently there's not been too much of exposure to the two gospel Theory that seems to be taken hold in several Christian Ministries. But I came across a post where someone was declaring that the gospel is this or that. And so I have a question for the members here do you know what the gospel is? Do you understand what exactly salvation is?

The Gospel of the kingdom of God.


Before Jesus came on the seen, there were gospels of kingdoms that were being announced, as this was the way one kingdom would overthrow another kingdom.

They didn’t have elections in those days it was the strongest kingdom that would overthrow a weaker kingdom by way of their “gospel”.

Say if the king of Babylon wanted to enlarge his kingdom he would send out his army to the capital city of the kingdom he wanted to overthrow.


His army would surround the capital city where the king was and cut off any support of food, or reinforcements.

This was called a siege. It was designed to weaken the troops in the capital city.


Then after about a month the commander of the army would ride out and meet ambassadors from the king of the city that was to be conquered.


Here is where the “gospel” was to be announced.


Example:


The kingdom of Babylon is at hand.

Turn away (repent) from the king you are serving and come and bow the knee to the king of Babylon or you will die.

The “gospel” was basically the terms of unconditional surrender.

The Gospel was about being transferred from one kingdom into another kingdom by “bending the knee” to the conquering king and confessing him as your king or lord.

Many of the troops in those days just chose to fight to the death because ther surrender meant that they would become slaves of the conquering kingdom.

Their daughters would in many cases be raped and sons put to a life of hard labor.

Not good news.


However, the difference with the gospel of the kingdom of God was that God has called us to become His sons, and also joint heirs with Jesus Christ.

That’s why the term Gospel, came to be known as “good news”.


Here is the gospel Jesus Christ sent Paul to preach.
The proverbial road to Damascus experience recounted by Paul.

Words of Christ in red.

So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’
“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:15-20


Key verses.

  • in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God


  • but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God


Repent means turn to God; in submission to Him as LORD.

If a person is called to turn to God, then by default they are called to turn away from Satan as their lord.

The way we obey the Gospel command to repent is by confessing Jesus as LORD.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9




He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, Colossians 1:13





JLB
 
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Hello friend!

While I certainly wish that this were true, the simple fact is that there are plenty of examples of people who have been baptized and yet turn away from Christ and His Kingdom - their fruits are evidence that they were never of the people of God in the first place, and that the waters they were baptized into did not change their hearts.
Baptism does not save. It is a sign and symbol of marvelous and wonderful blessing for those who are Christ's and an outward profession and inclusion into the visible body. Unfortunately, being a member of the visible body does not equate to being regenerated in the heart and soul.
At the very time you're baptized, you are saved and regenerated. Your actions after that are a different matter. And Peter says that baptism DOES save us contrary to your comment (1 Peter 3:21).

21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
 

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At the very time you're baptized, you are saved and regenerated. Your actions after that are a different matter. And Peter says that baptism DOES save us contrary to your comment (1 Peter 3:21).

21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Are you saying that this is a requirement to receive Salvation in any form?

Or more along the lines of, I have been saved, I am being saved and I will be saved? That a deeper process of salvation is taking place to those who do get baptized in water?

Like the 5 Crowns I spoke of earlier. There is no requirement for these crowns to be saved but they signify deeper accomplishment in some way and so they get a crown for it. ??
 

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Its a lie to teach that God can't save you, unless you are near some water.

You need to THINK, about what you are posting... @DJT_47 .
I post exactly what the scriptures say by posting THEM. It's a lie to contradict them blatantly as you and others here do. YOU are the one that needs to think about what YOU are posting as it's contrary to God's written word.