Define salvation. ( what is "the Gospel")

[DJT_47]

Paul said..."Christ sent me not to water baptize".

Why did he say that if "water washes away your sin"...,as the Water Cults teach ??
Why did Paul say that "Christ sent me not to water baptize" if water is required for Salvation?

A.) Its because Paul is showing the Student of the word, that water baptism is not to become a theological part regarding HOW you are born again.

He is negating a false theology that puts WATER in the center of God's Salvation, when it does not belong there, at all... not ever..

Did Paul baptize ?
Of course.
Was Paul water baptized?
Of course, but He does not teach Salvation, as being related to getting in water or by being sprinkled by water.

= "Christ sent me NOT>..to water baptize"....

You don't understand that scripture. Read a bit further to 1 Cor 3:6 to understand what Paul meant. Paul primarily primarily preached, Apollos baptized, and God added to the body.

6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

 

[MA2444]

Everyone that does in faith before the cross, went to Paradise. Paradise was a place below the Earth, that was adjacent to hell ,or Haiti.
This is depicted in the story of the rich man and Lazarus.
We clearly see both realms existing side by side.
And so that's why Jesus told him "today you'll be with me in Paradise", because the Bible teaches that Jesus descended into the lower parts of Hell or Hades or whatever you want to call it ,and he preached the gospel. And so these people that accepted Jesus that were below the Earth, they were seen resurrected ,and walking the streets of Jerusalem.
Some of them were recognized. So the thief on the cross, he still had to hear the gospel in Paradise .

so evidently he wasn't in Paradise very long.
All those Patriarchs and the ones that died in faith before the cross they heard the gospel they made the correct response and Jesus took them to heaven where they are right now at this very moment. That is what David was pointing to when he said,"you will not leave my soul in Hades" (or something to that effect)

Ps 16:10
New King James Version
For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.

Or in Haiti?

Sounds like you've been to Haiti and dont like it!. Yeah my point was that the thief got saved and it doesnt matter if it was before Jesus's death on the cross! Jesus is God and the rules dont apply to Him, only us! So the thief did not get baptized and was saved.

I agree with the rest of what you said. But on the cross next to the thief they was all at death's door so it didnt matter about the exact timing.

You can go back further and see more evidence of this. The girl who touched Jesus's garment as He walked by and was healed. She thought she was in trouble, lol! But all she really did was to reach into the future and take hold of a promise that hadn't been given yet, by faith! So Jesus let her have it. But He hadn't been crucified yet!

 

[MA2444]

It is several things.
1 It is a public profession of something that happened within us once we're born again.
2 It is an act of Obedience.
3 And this one is just my opinion, but I believe we are sealed in baptism, and baptism actually does something to the believer, as far as adding definition to our walk and sealing us.
4 It is also depicting the death that we go through. The cross ,or our death to our old self, as we go under the water, and the burial , and then as we come up out of the water it depicts our Resurrection soon to come.
( or I could say our Resurrection into New Life in Jesus)

Yeah your #3 is my point! I'm not sure what it does exactly but it's something like that. Because God dont do anything without a purpose. So it means something to Him and very likely is important in some way!

Speaking of Baptism, (LOL!) I got called out to work in a small church. Last Sunday they was going to hold a Baptismal service and filled it with water and brought in all the people and got them all ready in robes and stuff, and when they went to the Baptismal tank, it was empty! The tried to refill it, it wouldnt hold water and fill up!

Somebody said, it must be a sign!
And the Pastor said, yeah a sign that we need a plumber. So they called me, lol. And they had to cancel the Baptisms for that day. Those poor new believers! What a thing to happen, finally accept Christ and go to church to get baptized, and you can't!

 

[David in NJ]

Goodbye go pedal nonsense to a fool that will believe it

Calling the precious Blood of Christ, "nonsense" is your own demise and foolishness!!!

And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers,
but with the precious Blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

What you speak, you own!

 

[Behold]

God doesnt do anything without a purpose Brother. Yes, we use it as a symbolic display of us dying and being born again, but what is God's purpose in Baptism?

The purpose is to symbolically signify your resurrection with Christ.

See, if water baptism could save you, then Why did Christ Have to suffer and die on The Cross?

Born of water is indeed born to a woman on earth, but this doesnt have anything to do with water baptism.

There is no "water baptism" in the verse.
You are putting it there, because you have been taught that its in there.

Born of water, is not water baptism.,

See, if you were born of Water... as the water cults teach it, then there would be no need for the "born again".., as the "born of water" would be the born again.

So, the born of water is you being born= naturally, as a baby, and the BORN AGAIN.. is God doing that by His Holy Spirit.

 

[DJT_47]

Or in Haiti?

Sounds like you've been to Haiti and dont like it!. Yeah my point was that the thief got saved and it doesnt matter if it was before Jesus's death on the cross! Jesus is God and the rules dont apply to Him, only us! So the thief did not get baptized and was saved.

I agree with the rest of what you said. But on the cross next to the thief they was all at death's door so it didnt matter about the exact timing.

You can go back further and see more evidence of this. The girl who touched Jesus's garment as He walked by and was healed. She thought she was in trouble, lol! But all she really did was to reach into the future and take hold of a promise that hadn't been given yet, by faith! So Jesus let her have it. But He hadn't been crucified yet!

Paradise is not below the earth. It's the 3rd heaven.

2 Cor 12

2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

 

[Behold]

6I have planted,

Paul preached the Gospel.

Apollos watered;

Apollos did also, and perhaps taught more.

but God gave the increase.

The seed of the word, that is Paul's Gospel, fell on good ground in many hearts, and God gave the "born again"... increase.

See, WE can't do the literal spiritual birthing.... as only the Holy Spirit, is capable of performing a spiritual birth inside the body of a Human Being.
What we do, is SEED the Gospel, into the hearing of the unbeliever and then "faith comes by hearing".

This means that they HEAR about Jesus dying for them, and why, and now having heard this Gospel SEED, that is Spiritual, that is The Gospel... God then reveals it as TRUTH in their heart.......and then they have to option to take a step of faith, that becomes.. OUR "faith is counted by God as (Christ's) Righteousness". and that is..>>"as many as will BELIEVE".

 

[DJT_47]

Paul preached the Gospel.



Apollos did also, and perhaps taught more.



The seed of the word, that is Paul's Gospel, fell on good ground in many hearts, and God gave the "born again"... increase.

See, WE can't do the literal spiritual birthing.... as only the Holy Spirit, is capable of performing a spiritual birth.
What we do, is SEED the Gospel, into the hearing of the unbeliever and then "faith comes by hearing".

This means that they HEAR about Jesus dying for them, and why, and now having heard this SEED, that is Spiritual, that is The Gospel... God then reveals it as TRUTH in their heart.......and then they have to option to take a step of faith, that becomes.. OUR "faith is counted by God as (Christ's) Righteousness".

Apollos did most of the baptizing, "watered".

 

[Behold]

Apollos did most of the baptizing, "watered".

Your verse says that He watered....

Apparently you have never planted a flower seed or any type of seed in a garden?

What do you do with the seed, after you put it in the ground?
You water it., not water baptize it.

So, Paul laid the foundation, by preaching the Gospel, and then Apollos, followed with more.... and some who heard them both, BELIEVED, as that is God giving the increase... Its God empowering the Gospel "seed of the word" so that its brings a spiritual = harvest.
The Harvest is that the hearer of the Gospel, believe it and are spiritually harvested as BORN AGAIN.

 

[DJT_47]

Your verse says that He watered....

Apparently you have never planted a flower seed or any type of seed in a garden?

What do you do with the seed, after you put it in the ground?
You water it., not water baptize it.

So, Paul laid the foundation, by preaching the Gospel, and then Apollos, followed with more.... and some who heard them both, BELIEVED, as that is God giving the increase... Its God empowering the Gospel "seed of the word" so that its brings a harvest.
The Harvest is that the hearer of the Gospel, believe it and are harvested as BORN AGAIN......

Read a bit earlier too in 1 Cor 1 where Paul said he thanked God that he baptized only a few people, so who baptized the rest of the church there? So yes, Paul was sent primarily to preach. And I'm sure Apollos likewise preached but also did the majority of the baptizing obviously since the church I'm sure consisted of more than those that only Paul baptized into Christ.

14I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 16And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

 

[Behold]

Read a bit earlier too in 1 Cor 1 where Paul said he thanked God that he baptized only a few people,

All the Apostles Baptized their Converts, after their Converts believed and were born again, first.

If you own a bible, then read Acts 8.

Philip told the Eunuch, "yes you may be water baptized, IF you have believed in Jesus with all your heart first".

See the faith part?
The BELIEVING PART?
That is what God accepts to save you... and then now being saved, born again, go and get wet.. enjoy your water baptism.... and praise God for having already saved you, on the way there.

 

[Behold]

Apollos did most of the baptizing, "watered".

Water baptism follows Salvation.
It does not cause it., as the "water cult" teach.

 

[DJT_47]

All the Apostles Baptized their Converts, after their Converts believed and were born again, first.

If you own a bible, then read Acts 9.

Philip told the Eunuch, "yes you may be water baptized, IF you have believed in Jesus with all your heart first".

See the faith part?
The BELIEVING PART?
That is what God accepts to save you... and then now being saved, born again, go and get wet.. enjoy your water baptism.... and praise God for having already saved you, on the way there.

You're assuming things. After an apostle's departure from where ever, preaching, converting, and Baptisms obviously continued which is how churches grow; and all may not necessarily believe immediately upon hearing.

 

[DJT_47]

You're assuming things. After an apostle's departure from where ever, preaching, converting, and Baptisms obviously continued which is how churches grow; and all may not necessarily believe immediately upon hearing.

Water baptism is the final stage in the salvation process. Your sins are not remitted until you're baptized.

Acts 216And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Peter 3:21

21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Acts 2:38
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Behold]

You're assuming things.

Im not assuming anything.

A born again believer, should be water baptized, now that they have become a Christian, already.

I was water baptized 11 yrs after i was born again.

I was standing in front of a Congregation, Seminary Trained... and working as a Minister/Evangelist, born again... before i was ever water baptized.

I was not "saved by water"... as the ignorant Water Cult's teach......i was born again by the Spirit of God, and water baptized much later.

Listen,
God's Salvation is Faith based ......not Water based.
Water is just water.
It has no spiritual power.

 

[DJT_47]

Im not assuming anything.

A born again believer, should be water baptized, now that they have become a Christian.

I was water baptized 11 yrs after i was born again.

God's Salvation is Faith based ......not Water based.
Water is just water.
It has no spiritual power.

You make zero sense and have it all backwards. You're not born again, born of water, UNTIL you're baptized.

 

[Behold]

You make zero sense and have it all backwards. You're not born again, born of water, UNTIL you're baptized.

What you are teaching is Catholic Theology, its "cult of the virgin".........."baptismal regeneration" that is a doctrine of Devils.
It comes from their Demonic Bible that falsely teaches in John 3, that you are "born again ..by water".

Whereas a real Christian is BORN AGAIN...by THE HOLY SPIRIT........not by water...

See, your "gospel" has no Cross in it,.. it only has water in it, and that makes it a False Gospel.......= Galatians 1:8, @DJT_47

 

[DJT_47]

What you are teaching is Catholic Theology, its "cult of the virgin".........."baptismal regeneration" that is a doctrine of Devils.
It comes from their Demonic Bible that teaches in John 3, that you are "born again BY water...

Whereas a real Christian is BORN AGAIN...........by THE HOLY SPIRIT........not by water.

See, your "gospel" has no Cross in it,.. it only has water in it, and that makes it a False Gospel.......= Galatians 1:8, @DJT_47

I'm NOT catholic

 

[Mjh29]

What you are teaching is Catholic Theology, its "cult of the virgin".........."baptismal regeneration" that is a doctrine of Devils.
It comes from their Demonic Bible that falsely teaches in John 3, that you are "born again ..by water".

Whereas a real Christian is BORN AGAIN...by THE HOLY SPIRIT........not by water...

See, your "gospel" has no Cross in it,.. it only has water in it, and that makes it a False Gospel.......= Galatians 1:8, @DJT_47

Have to agree - Baptismal Regeneration is an unfortunate misunderstanding of the meaning behind the sign and symbol of baptism. Baptismal waters do NOT regenerate: There is plenty of evidence of this in the lives of those who have been baptized and yet are not regenerated.

 

[DJT_47]

Have to agree - Baptismal Regeneration is an unfortunate misunderstanding of the meaning behind the sign and symbol of baptism. Baptismal waters do NOT regenerate: There is plenty of evidence of this in the lives of those who have been baptized and yet are not regenerated.

I have no idea what you're attempting to say. If you're baptized, you are regenerated. You become a new creature, you're born again, a child of God and member of the Lord's body which is the church.