Define salvation. ( what is "the Gospel")

[Behold]

Baptism is symbolic but that doesn't mean that it's not absolutely essential. Peter says Baptism saves us.

Jesus saves us, not water baptism.


Listen., if you can...

Think.

Lets say, that JESUS... has not come yet......He is not virgin born yet...>>He is still, in Heaven.
So, as Jesus has not come yet......... go and get water baptized 123 times.
Are you saved?

Do you understand what im showing you?

No?

Then try it like this..

If water baptism died on the Cross for your sin, then keep on believing and teaching that Water Saves, that Water Baptism... is required """to be saved."""

However, if water baptism didn't hang on the Cross and DIE for your sin, then you need leave your WATER CULT, and find some TRUTH.....Reader.

 

[DJT_47]

Jesus saves us, not water baptism.


Listen., if you can...

Think.

Lets say, that JESUS... has not come yet......He is not virgin born yet...>>He is still, in Heaven.
So, as Jesus has not come yet......... go and get water baptized 123 times.
Are you saved?

Do you understand what im showing you?

No?

Then try it like this..

If water baptism died on the Cross for your sin, then keep on believing and teaching that Water Saves, that its required to be saved.

However, if water baptism didn't hang on the Cross and DIE for your sin, then you need leave your WATER CULT, and find some TRUTH.....Reader.

Jesus truly saves us but only after we've been obedient

 

[Behold]

Jesus truly saves us but only after we've been obedient

"not by works of (our obedience) but according to God's Mercy He saved us"... "and that is NOT OF WORKS< lest any person will boast".

So, stop trying to prove that God's Salvation, is based on YOUR BEHAVIOR, as when that is your faith, then your faith is in yourself, and not in Christ.

 

[David in NJ]

Baptism is symbolic but that doesn't mean that it's not absolutely essential. Peter says Baptism saves us. We're told it washes away sins such as in Acts 22:16. Symbolic yes, because it's not the water itself, but it's obedience no different than when Naaman finally obeyed, dipped 7 times in the Jordan and was cured of his leprosy in 2 Kings 5. Was it the water? No. It was obedience, but the water was still necessary. Just like baptism. It's absolutely essential.

Water saves no one.

Read what the Apostle Peter says AGAIN

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh,
but the answer of a good conscience toward God),
through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

SAME witness of the Holy Spirit in Romans 10:10

The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.
” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

 

[DJT_47]

"not by works of (our obedience) but according to God's Mercy He saved us"... "and that is NOT OF WORKS< lest any person will boast".

So, stop trying to prove that God's Salvation, is based on YOUR BEHAVIOR, as when that is your faith, then your faith is in yourself, and not in Christ.

It, God's saving grace, IS 100% dependent upon our doing something which you erroneously call a "work". It ain't a work. It's obedience. Doing what we're told. Does he save without belief and faith? No. Neither does he save without us doing whatever is required of us. Repentance, confession, and water immersion. That's what the scriptures clearly teach.

 

[DJT_47]

Water saves no one.

Read what the Apostle Peter says AGAIN

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh,
but the answer of a good conscience toward God),
through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

SAME witness of the Holy Spirit in Romans 10:10

The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.
” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Water saves no one but being baptized, immersed in water, into the body of Christ does

 

[David in NJ]

Water saves no one but being baptized, immersed in water, into the body of Christ does

NOPE = and it never did

THIS is the ONLY that SAVES us = JESUS

And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you."

 

[Behold]

It, God's saving grace, IS 100% dependent upon our doing something which you erroneously call a "work".

God's Grace is Jesus on the Cross offering Himself to you, as your eternal Salvation.

John 14:6

So....There is YOUR Salvation. = JESUS is Salvation.

That is not water baptism, and that is not your silly self righteous self effort @DJT_47

 

[DJT_47]

NOPE = and it never did

THIS is the ONLY that SAVES us = JESUS

And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you."

YOU can say nope all you want but it won't change what the scriptures say. Goodbye, believe whatever you like.

 

[MA2444]

Water baptism is symbolic of being raised again, into newness of life., as a literal born again "new Creation".
The old man of sin is dead, and the Literal new creation, (symbolically coming up out of the water)... is simply symbolic.
Its a public statement of FAITH in Christ.

"Water cults", like Catholicism and others who teach that "Acts 2:38" (repent and be water baptized)... are teaching that THIS is Salvation, and that is why they lie and teach that "if there is no water baptism, then there is no Salvation"..

See that Lie?

That LIE is a "doctrine of devils" that came from a demonic bible created by the "cult of Mary" that is the Douay Rheims, version.

IN it, you find this "doctrine of devils'..

"born again..... BY water"..

Now read that again..

"born again........BY WATER"..

See that?
That is teaching the HERESY of "baptismal regeneration" = saved by water... or "the water washed away your sin" and you are "born again BY water".

The TRUTH is.. You are born again by THE HOLY SPIRIT, not by WATER, as water is just water... but the "water cults" teach that its SALVATION, and it has to be there.. or you are not born again.

No baptism no salvation cant be true because Jesus proved it wrong when He spoke to the thief on the cross and made him the promise of life.

But that doesnt make water baptism of no consequence. It means something beyond that. There are 7 different Baptisms in scripture and water Baptisms is the 1st. 2nd is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit...and those two are the only two that the church teaches on!

 

[keithr]

And so I have a question for the members here do you know what the gospel is?

Paul tells us what the Gospel is in 1 Corinthians 15 (WEB):

(1) Now I declare to you, brothers, the Good News [Gospel] which I preached to you, which also you received, in which you also stand,​

(2) by which also you are saved, if you hold firmly the word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.​

(3) For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,​

(4) that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,​

(5) and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.​

(6) Then he appeared to over five hundred brothers at once, most of whom remain until now, but some have also fallen asleep.​

(7) Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles,​

(8) and last of all, as to the child born at the wrong time, he appeared to me also.​

(20) But now Christ has been raised from the dead. He became the first fruits of those who are asleep.​

(21) For since death came by man, the resurrection of the dead also came by man.​

(22) For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.​

(23) But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then those who are Christ’s, at his coming.​

(24) Then the end comes, when he will deliver up the Kingdom to God, even the Father; when he will have abolished all rule and all authority and power.​

(25) For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.​

(26) The last enemy that will be abolished is death.​

(27) For, “He put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when he says, “All things are put in subjection”, it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him.​

(28) When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.​

 

[DJT_47]

No baptism no salvation cant be true because Jesus proved it wrong when He spoke to the thief on the cross and made him the promise of life.

But that doesnt make water baptism of no consequence. It means something beyond that. There are 7 different Baptisms in scripture and water Baptisms is the 1st. 2nd is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit...and those two are the only two that the church teaches on!

You do not understand the thief on the cross issue at all. The new testament didn't start until the death of Jesus meaning he forgave the thief while the old covenant was still in place, no different than others he forgave such as the adulterous woman. Baptism likewise was not yet in effect until after the Lord's death. Read Hebrews 9:16-17 to understand correctly the thief on the cross issue.

16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

 

[David in NJ]

YOU can say nope all you want but it won't change what the scriptures say. Goodbye, believe whatever you like.

CORRECT
No amount of water can wash away your sins.

SCRIPTURE Says, (by the Apostle Peter in whom you think you trust) SAYS:

And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers,
but with the precious Blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

 

[Behold]

Baptisms is the 1st. 2nd is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit...and those two are the only two that the church teaches on!

In John 3, (KJV) Jesus does not say you are to be water baptized and then born of the Spirit.

He said you are born of water.......and now you have to be born .. AGAIN..... Spiritually.

What is "born of water"?.. that is already.. ???? .........and now you must be BORN ... Again..?? = #2 Birth.

A.) "Born of water" is your earth birth.
Your mother's water broke, and out you came, as you had been in the fluid bag.

And now you are on EARTH... ""born of water""".. and to go to Heaven, you must be .....BORN.....AGAIN... = Spiritually.

 

[DJT_47]

CORRECT
No amount of water can wash away your sins.

SCRIPTURE Says, (by the Apostle Peter in whom you think you trust) SAYS:

And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers,
but with the precious Blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

Goodbye go pedal nonsense to a fool that will believe it

 

[Behold]

Goodbye go pedal nonsense to a fool that will believe it

Paul said..."Christ sent me not to water baptize".

Why did he say that if "water washes away your sin"...,as the Water Cults teach ??
Why did Paul say that "Christ sent me not to water baptize" if water is required for Salvation?

A.) Its because Paul is showing the Student of the word, that water baptism is not to become a theological part regarding HOW you are born again.

He is negating a false theology that puts WATER in the center of God's Salvation, when it does not belong there, at all... not ever..

Did Paul baptize ?
Of course.
Was Paul water baptized?
Of course, but He does not teach Salvation, as being related to getting in water or by being sprinkled by water.

= "Christ sent me NOT>..to water baptize"....

 

[MA2444]

You do not understand the thief on the cross issue at all. The new testament didn't start until the death of Jesus meaning he forgave the thief while the old covenant was still in place, no different than others he forgave such as the adulterous woman. Baptism likewise was not yet in effect until after the Lord's death. Read Hebrews 9:16-17 to understand correctly the thief on the cross issue.

16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

For some reason, I am not grasping the point you are trying to make.

 

[MA2444]

In John 3, (KJV) Jesus does not say you are to be water baptized and then born of the Spirit.

He said you are born of water.......and now you have to be born .. AGAIN..... Spiritually.

What is "born of water"?.. that is already.. ???? .........and now you must be BORN ... Again..?? = #2 Birth.

A.) "Born of water" is your earth birth.
Your mother's water broke, and out you came, as you had been in the fluid bag.

And now you are on EARTH... ""born of water""".. and to go to Heaven, you must be .....BORN.....AGAIN... = Spiritually.

God doesnt do anything without a purpose Brother. Yes, we use it as a symbolic display of us dying and being born again, but what is God's purpose in Baptism?

John 3:
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God..../KJV

Born of water is indeed born to a woman on earth, but this doesnt have anything to do with water baptism. Why are water baptisms in scripture in the first place if it not something good to do?

 

[rebuilder 454]

For some reason, I am not grasping the point you are trying to make.

Everyone that does in faith before the cross, went to Paradise. Paradise was a place below the Earth, that was adjacent to hell ,or Hades.
This is depicted in the story of the rich man and Lazarus.
We clearly see both realms existing side by side.
And so that's why Jesus told him "today you'll be with me in Paradise", because the Bible teaches that Jesus descended into the lower parts of Hell or Hades or whatever you want to call it ,and he preached the gospel. And so these people that accepted Jesus that were below the Earth, they were seen resurrected ,and walking the streets of Jerusalem.
Some of them were recognized. So the thief on the cross, he still had to hear the gospel in Paradise .

so evidently he wasn't in Paradise very long.
All those Patriarchs and the ones that died in faith before the cross they heard the gospel they made the correct response and Jesus took them to heaven where they are right now at this very moment. That is what David was pointing to when he said,"you will not leave my soul in Hades" (or something to that effect)

Ps 16:10
New King James Version
For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.

 

[rebuilder 454]

God doesnt do anything without a purpose Brother. Yes, we use it as a symbolic display of us dying and being born again, but what is God's purpose in Baptism?

John 3:
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God..../KJV

Born of water is indeed born to a woman on earth, but this doesnt have anything to do with water baptism. Why are water baptisms in scripture in the first place if it not something good to do?

It is several things.
1 It is a public profession of something that happened within us once we're born again.
2 It is an act of Obedience.
3 And this one is just my opinion, but I believe we are sealed in baptism, and baptism actually does something to the believer, as far as adding definition to our walk and sealing us.
4 It is also depicting the death that we go through. The cross ,or our death to our old self, as we go under the water, and the burial , and then as we come up out of the water it depicts our Resurrection soon to come.
( or I could say our Resurrection into New Life in Jesus)