Dead to the Law

[BloodBought 1953]

You're still as blind as ever. You can't see that no one is saying your behavior makes you saved. It shows if you are saved. It's amazing that you can't see that even when it's explained to you.



I see EXACTLY what you are saying......perhaps I am not as “blind” as you think I am.....I KNOW you are not saying “ behavior makes you Saved” ....
You are saying that a change from Bad Behavior to Good Behavior is Proof- Positive that man is Saved .....I think that most of the time that is correct .....I believe that it SHOULD happen and I Believe that 99.9% of the time it WILL happen ......I just don’t believe that it HAS TO Happen......
Sometime it does not happen overnight , and if a man never shows any Fruit it’s possible that he did not have the time.The thief on the Cross , I’m positive , would have showed a behavior change, had he had the time.....People who come to Faith in Jesus on their death- beds often don’t have the time to Show a change in behavior.....
“ Fruit Bearing “ is what we are really discussing and of course it is Biblical ....Given time the Fruit is gonna be there....but check out the “ Fruits Of The Spirit” That we get told about in Chapter 5 of Galatians........love...joy...peace...patience .....kindness.....gentleness, etc.....these Fruits are all internal....that “ inside of the cup” stuff that Jesus talked about.....Holier than thou “ Fruit Inspectors” are Blind to these inward changes brought about by the Indwelling Holy Spirit ....they are the ones that count with God....
The typical Judgmental Religionist wants to see change as in “ did that guy throw away his cigarettes or quit cussing” .....all that “ outside of the cup” stuff.....God knows what to work on and He can be doing a big work of Transformation in a man that is invisible to the finger- pointing church world....
What really “ shows if you are Saved” is a changed heart....that persons “outward” manifestations of that heart that is being tended to by God on the inside might take a while to see...it might never be seen and it doe not “ Have” it be —— GOD sees it—- THAT is what matters..... be REAL SLOW when you perform you self- appointed job if being a “ Fruit Inspector”......like the song says—- “ There’s things goin’ on you don’t know”.........99% Of the time? Just mind your own business.....

 

[justbyfaith]

Here is a "wall of scripture" that only those who desire salvation (or have salvation) will read...

Eze 33:11, Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Eze 33:12, Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
Eze 33:13, When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
Eze 33:14, Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
Eze 33:15, If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Eze 33:16, None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
Eze 33:17, Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal.
Eze 33:18, When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.
Eze 33:19, But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.
Eze 33:20, Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.

What is highlighted above in blue indicates scripture that tells us that a man will live if he repents / turns away from living a lifestyle of sin / wickedness and begins to do what is lawful and right.

What is highlighted above in green indicates scripture that tells us that if we turn from righteousness and commit iniquity, we will die because of it.

Highlighted in purple is scripture that indicates the hardheartedness of the people in that they did not accept what God was saying on this matter, judging God rather than receiving His word.

 

[justbyfaith]

Nobody can ever “ Remember” All Of their Sins, much less repent of them all

Now of course you do not have to pinpoint every sin and repent of every sin in order to be justified. The Holy Spirit will do that with every sin in your life once you have been justified; and because you are walking in the direction of righteousness, you will cease from committing specific sins from the moment that they are pinpointed by the Holy Ghost.

But to be justified, all one has to do is make a 180-degree turn away from the direction of sin, death, hell, and satan, towards righteousness, life, heaven, and God.

Hitler is not in Hell tonight because he killed Six Million Jews.... Jesus paid the price for Hitler’s sins just as surely as he paid the price for yours and mine.Hitler, like all other denizens Of Hell , failed to “ cash in” on what Jesus did for them.

You might be surprised. If your theology is correct, Hitler might have made a last-ditch effort of faith and made it in by the skin of his teeth.

Sometime it does not happen overnight , and if a man never shows any Fruit it’s possible that he did not have the time.The thief on the Cross , I’m positive , would have showed a behavior change, had he had the time....

The thief on the cross (not the Cross...that was what Jesus died on) did show a change in behaviour...he expressed faith in Jesus after he had railed on Him along with the other thief.

The typical Judgmental Religionist wants to see change as in “ did that guy throw away his cigarettes or quit cussing” .....all that “ outside of the cup” stuff...

I agree that these things may not go away immediately when a person comes to "faith in Christ" in these days...especially since there are those who preach that repentance is unnecessary...

However, if the inside of the cup and platter is truly cleansed, then the outside will also be cleansed (Matthew 23:26).

Jesus taught us in Matthew 7:15-20 that we will know people by their fruits. How will we know them by their fruits if their fruits do not manifest themselves outwardly?

There was a popular tv preacher a while ago who used to teach the Bible while taking puffs off of a cigar.

If someone has the fruit of temperance (self-control) they will be able to overcome their addiction to cigarettes. If someone has the fruit of love, they will immediately cease from cussing; for that is a "breach of spirit" (Proverbs 15:4).

 

[07-07-07]

Everybody in Heaven will be a Redeemed Sinner.....Redeemed, not Defiled.....we are the farthest thing from “ defiled”.....we are “ just as HE is”. Perfect. Simply because we Rested in the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4.....Are you resting or working? I’m the former—- Resting in the Finished Work Of The Cross ......it’s why I am Saved....” Christ Crucified”...... nothing more, nothing less....

Sin cannot enter Heaven.

Matthew 5:29
English Standard Version

29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.

 

[Behold]

While I, not the Lord, say to you that a man can be saved apart from water baptism, through faith alone.

I am thankful to have a different gospel than you, @Behold.

Every person is saved by God apart from water, if they are born again.
Also, i do agree that you have different Gospel then Paul's.
Paul does not teach water saves, and he does not teach that you can lose your salvation.
Those are your gospel's, not mine, and not Paul's.

 

[justbyfaith]

Every person is saved by God apart from water, if they are born again.
Also, i do agree that you have different Gospel then Paul's.
Paul does not teach water saves, and he does not teach that you can lose your salvation.
Those are your gospel's, not mine, and not Paul's.

Paul teaches that after we are baptized we will "walk in newness of life" (Romans 6:4 and context).

He says that as many as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ (Galatians 3:27).

He teaches us that, having been buried with Christ in baptism, we are risen with Him through faith in the operation of God (Colossians 2:12).

My gospel is not different from Paul's, it is different from yours.

I am glad that I do not deny indwelling sin as you do; because if I did I would also be deceiving myself and the truth would not be in me.

 

[justbyfaith]

Every person is saved by God apart from water, if they are born again.

A person can receive the promise of the Holy Ghost, and thus be born again of the Holy Ghost, as the direct result of being baptized in water (Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39).

 

[April_Rose]

Sin cannot enter Heaven.

Yeah, but even though a lot of us on here are in Christ we're still sinners.

 

[justbyfaith]

Those who work iniquity will be cast into the furnace of everlasting fire (Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41).

So if we are still sinners, in the sense of those who work iniquity, we are not in Christ.

Now all of us are sinners in the sense that we all have indwelling sin (1 John 1:8, 1 Timothy 1:15, Romans 7:18).

However, that indwelling sin, can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

If you are still a sinner, in the sense that you are a worker of iniquity, all is not lost.

You have the opportunity to repent and allow Jesus to take away your sins (1 John 3:5).

 

[HisLife]

Sin cannot enter Heaven.

Matthew 5:29
English Standard Version

29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.

Yout Put that standard on Others but don't do it yourself you'd surely have to cut your head off, The only Man to live As Righteous As God is Jesus, To enter Heaven You must be Perfect, You need Jesus Righteousness inputted to you,Have you heard For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing? The Body Has To Die, God Makes A New one that can enter Heaven, The righteousness Of Jesus And A perfect Glorified Body Can Enter Heaven But its all Because of What Jesus did, It's his Workmanship,I see two side effects, Grace and Gratitude Or trying to do it your way killing your self

 

[April_Rose]

Those who work iniquity will be cast into the furnace of everlasting fire (Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41).

So if we are still sinners, in the sense of those who work iniquity, we are not in Christ.

Now all of us are sinners in the sense that we all have indwelling sin (1 John 1:8, 1 Timothy 1:15).

However, that indwelling sin, can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

If you are still a sinner, in the sense that you are a worker of iniquity, all is not lost.

You have the opportunity to repent and allow Jesus to take away your sins (1 John 3:5).

Are you perfect? Do you sin? Cause it's impossible to earn our way to Heaven. We are saved by grace and not by works.

 

[justbyfaith]

Are you perfect? Do you sin? Cause it's impossible to earn our way to Heaven. We are saved by grace and not by works.

Your argument is not with me but with God. He is the one who spoke the scriptures that I have quoted or referenced.

 

[April_Rose]

Your argument is not with me but with God. He is the one who spoke the scriptures that I have quoted or referenced.

I am quoting scripture and I'm right. John 3:16.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yout Put that standard on Others but don't do it yourself you'd surely have to cut your head off, The only Man to live As Righteous As God is Jesus, To enter Heaven You must be Perfect, You need Jesus Righteousness inputted to you,Have you heard For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing? The Body Has To Die, God Makes A New one that can enter Heaven, The righteousness Of Jesus And A perfect Glorified Body Can Enter Heaven But its all Because of What Jesus did, It's his Workmanship,I see two side effects, Grace and Gratitude Or trying to do it your way killing your self

Of course the blood of Jesus covers over past sins (Romans 4:7-8) and also takes them away (1 John 3:5).

And, if we have the Holy Spirit by faith (Galatians 3:14), we can walk consistently not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4). And in mortifying the deeds of the body in the power of the Spirit, we will live (Romans 8:12-14).

 

[justbyfaith]

I am quoting scripture and I'm right. John 3:16.

You are pitting scripture against scripture.

Does John 3:16 nullify the scriptures that have been quoted that you are responding to?

 

[HisLife]

Mary is the mother of God Lk 1:43
Mother of Jesus Christ who is God
Mother of His person! And this person is The sin of God!

The Savior of the world had to become Man, To become man you have to be born of a woman...Mary was a Virgin So The Life came from God himself, The context is in the flesh as Jesus Existed Before Mary

God has No Sin, that's why Jesus even as a man been tempted like us still couldn't sin, Jesus is righteous, Jesus Was God with us In the Flesh, God put our Sin On Jesus to pay the penalty, it's our Sin Jesus NEver sinned That's why Death couldn't keep hold of him and he rose from the dead, If Jesus had Sinned he would still be dead...But he is risen

 

[April_Rose]

You are pitting scripture against scripture.

Does John 3:16 nullify the scriptures that have been quoted that you are responding to?

I don't know what you're getting at but that verse doesn't mention anything about not sinning in order to get to Heaven and you have still yet to answer my question on whether or not you sin. If the answer is no then you must be Jesus Christ Himself.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You might be surprised. If your theology is correct, Hitler might have made a last-ditch effort of faith and made it in by the skin of his teeth.


If he sincerely said, “ Lord Jesus, have Mercy on me a Sinner” , He is just as Saved as anybody else out there....did he do that? .....don’t bet on it.....
There are countless people out there today that are worse than Hitler. They just don’t have the power that he had to carry out what they would “ like” to do......

 

[BloodBought 1953]

NewThose who work iniquity will be cast into the furnace of everlasting fire (Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41).


“ Workers Of iniquity” are those that hear the gospel and reject it ....Anybody that Rests in the Gospel is Saved.....they are not workers of inequity....

 

[justbyfaith]

If he sincerely said, “ Lord Jesus, have Mercy on me a Sinner” , He is just as Saved as anybody else out there....did he do that? .....don’t bet on it.....

Of course anyone would have to be a fool to bet on Hitler.

But I am saying that if your theology is correct, he just might have accepted Christ at the end of his life and made it in to the kingdom.

And I'm not saying necessarily that that part of your theology is incorrect...

Just that it would put a sore taste in the mouth of anyone who tries to swallow it.