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Another lazy, confused man who will not take the time to study the context or true meaning of Hebrews 10...... a “ scary” chapter if not properly understood....A five year old could “ get it” if properly understood and taught.....
Are their any wise Believers out there that desire to “ Rightly Divide” Hebrews? Google “ Andrew Farley Hebrews 10 “ or “ A.W. Tozer, Heb.10”......again, it’s so easy to understand , unless you are “ Stiif- Necked” like many here that behave as if their Ignorance were a Virtue....
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Ferris Bueller
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But you've been shown that the unrepentant man is an unbeliever. The grace of God does not cover unrepentant unbelief. Only believers are of the household of God....
we are His house, if we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope of which we boast. Hebrews 3:6
We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly to the end the assurance we had at first. Hebrews 3:14
We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly to the end the assurance we had at first. Hebrews 3:14
But you keep trying to tell us unbelievers living in unrepentance also belong to the household of God. But as we can see for ourselves in scripture, only repentant believers share in Christ and belong to the household of God. Hebrews 10:26 is talking about ALL people living in willful, unrepentant sin. Because the unrepentant person is an unbeliever. And no unbeliever belongs to Christ.
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You know for sure if you are saved or not by how you behave.
Not Biblical.
Paul provided a way to know if we are Saved or not....He gives us a “ Test” to see if we are “ in the Faith” ( 2 Cor 13:5). “ Is Christ “ IN” you—or do you Fail the Test?”
Are you able to say , “Jesus is Lord ( God in the Flesh )?” and say it sincerely? One can’t say that and mean it without the in- dwelling Holy Spirit Of God......if you have that Spirit in you , you are in “ The Body Of Christ” .....Salvation-Wise , you are UNTOUCHABLE! You are “ SEALED to the Day of Redemption!”
I know.....that all sounds too easy, doesn’t it? It’s God’s Word— not mine.Deal with it.
The behavior of a born- again, Saved Believer can be despicable ....like the guy who was having sex with his own mother, or like the two guys Paul had to straighten out because they had “ blasphemed”, or like those that took Communion so that they could use the wine to get drunk.....the list goes on....Belief is what Saves.....NOT Behavior.....your “ behavior” is “Filthy Rags” on you BEST day if you are presenting that to be Justified before a Holy God ......It ain’t YOU— it’s the Blood! Get over yourselves, Pharisees.....
Not Biblical.
Paul provided a way to know if we are Saved or not....He gives us a “ Test” to see if we are “ in the Faith” ( 2 Cor 13:5). “ Is Christ “ IN” you—or do you Fail the Test?”
Are you able to say , “Jesus is Lord ( God in the Flesh )?” and say it sincerely? One can’t say that and mean it without the in- dwelling Holy Spirit Of God......if you have that Spirit in you , you are in “ The Body Of Christ” .....Salvation-Wise , you are UNTOUCHABLE! You are “ SEALED to the Day of Redemption!”
I know.....that all sounds too easy, doesn’t it? It’s God’s Word— not mine.Deal with it.
The behavior of a born- again, Saved Believer can be despicable ....like the guy who was having sex with his own mother, or like the two guys Paul had to straighten out because they had “ blasphemed”, or like those that took Communion so that they could use the wine to get drunk.....the list goes on....Belief is what Saves.....NOT Behavior.....your “ behavior” is “Filthy Rags” on you BEST day if you are presenting that to be Justified before a Holy God ......It ain’t YOU— it’s the Blood! Get over yourselves, Pharisees.....
Ferris Bueller
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You're still as blind as ever. You can't see that no one is saying your behavior makes you saved. It shows if you are saved. It's amazing that you can't see that even when it's explained to you.
I though it was obvious what was going on in the discussion .....sorry for any confusion....all this time and all of my posts.....I still am not adapt at using the functions available here that you guys use...I am still a computer dotard....lol....
Ferris Bueller
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Hey @Blood Bought 1953 . According to these passages how does one make their calling and election sure?
...whoever lacks these traits is nearsighted to the point of blindness, having forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins. Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble 2 Peter 1:9-10
He will not forget your work and the love you have shown for His name as you have ministered to the saints and continue to do so. We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure. Hebrews 6:10-11
By what you do, or by what you say you believe? Teach us, please.
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Ferris Bueller
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You aren't in the untouchable grace of God if you are purposely and willingly living like this. The real saint of God may be in a struggle with these kinds of things, but he does not live in them willingly and willfully as a way of life. That person is showing himself to not be saved at all. He is not in the protection of God's untouchables. His behavior proves that. Paul made it clear that the guy having sex with his step mother had to be brought to repentance "so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord." Why do you keep ignoring this important point? You keep insisting that his spirit is saved for the Day of the Lord, despite his sin. That's not what Paul says.
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Nothing defiled will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. It's the Saints who marchin' in, not sinners.
You're still as blind as ever. Your behavior does not make you saved. It shows if you are saved. It's amazing that you can't see that even when it's explained to you.
I just showed you some Biblical illustrations to show why that is not true....YOU are the one that is blind to clear, Biblical examples of the reality of our Faith.....
There are millions of well- behaved, moral, “good neighbor Sams” out there that are going to Hell. Behavior meant Nothing .Believers go to Heaven....UNbelievers go to Hell. It’s that simple.
The behavior of Saved men SHoULD improve.......In Fact, I believe , like you, that it WILL improve ....I am just saying that it doe not HAVE to .....it ain't the deciding factor....Faith in the Blood Of Jesus is the deciding factor ....that gets you the Holy Spirit .....let that Spirit hang around long enough and change is bound to come .....sometimes it takes a while.....
Many people improve their behavior by “ turning over a new leaf” or they “ get Religion” and learn how to “ ACT” like a Christian.....churches are full of these people that have changed their behavior to try to fool people or try to clean themselves up in order to be” worthy”...... it’s all a farce.
Don’t look at behavior change to judge a person’s State.Ask them this, “ what do you think of Christ” ......the response to that question will tell you everything you need to know....was Jesus “ A” son of God or “ THE” SON of God .The answer will determine Heaven or Hell.....
I just showed you some Biblical illustrations to show why that is not true....YOU are the one that is blind to clear, Biblical examples of the reality of our Faith.....
There are millions of well- behaved, moral, “good neighbor Sams” out there that are going to Hell. Behavior meant Nothing .Believers go to Heaven....UNbelievers go to Hell. It’s that simple.
The behavior of Saved men SHoULD improve.......In Fact, I believe , like you, that it WILL improve ....I am just saying that it doe not HAVE to .....it ain't the deciding factor....Faith in the Blood Of Jesus is the deciding factor ....that gets you the Holy Spirit .....let that Spirit hang around long enough and change is bound to come .....sometimes it takes a while.....
Many people improve their behavior by “ turning over a new leaf” or they “ get Religion” and learn how to “ ACT” like a Christian.....churches are full of these people that have changed their behavior to try to fool people or try to clean themselves up in order to be” worthy”...... it’s all a farce.
Don’t look at behavior change to judge a person’s State.Ask them this, “ what do you think of Christ” ......the response to that question will tell you everything you need to know....was Jesus “ A” son of God or “ THE” SON of God .The answer will determine Heaven or Hell.....
Ferris Bueller
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Maybe you were fabricating, I mean composing your post and did not see this yet....
So explain why it is you say he is protected for the day of Christ, while Paul says he is not.
God calls His people to holiness and righteousness.
1 Corinthians 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]homosexuals, nor (b)sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were [c]sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
Footnotes
[a] 1 Corinthians 6:9 catamites, those submitting to homosexuals
(b) 1 Corinthians 6:9 male homosexuals
[c] 1 Corinthians 6:11 set apart
1 Corinthians 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]homosexuals, nor (b)sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were [c]sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
Footnotes
[a] 1 Corinthians 6:9 catamites, those submitting to homosexuals
(b) 1 Corinthians 6:9 male homosexuals
[c] 1 Corinthians 6:11 set apart
April_Rose
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It has everything to do with it. My baptism was an identification with Jesus in His death, burial, and resurrection; and as such it was a confession of Jesus before men.
See Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8 as to whether what you say above is actually true.
The holy scriptures would disagree with you (John 3:5, Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39).
While I, not the Lord, say to you that a man can be saved apart from water baptism, through faith alone.
...says the person who denies indwelling sin and therefore has deceived himself and the truth is not in him.
I am thankful to have a different gospel than you, @Behold.
The Bible says, "Repent of your sins to be saved" (Ezekiel 33:19, Luke 13:1-5, 1 Corinthians 15:34, etc.).
No I don't...because according to you that is the mandate of religion.
yes, and I am praying that the viewers will see past your attacks on me and realize that I am referencing scripture to back up just about everything that I say....and that therefore they would be wise to listen to me rather than you; because you rarely if ever do the same.
I am turning the other cheek...I only said that I could call you "NotReallyBloodBought", not that I was actually going to. But at least you realize that you have slapped me on the cheek...numerous times.
Viewers have also mentioned that they see that you do not trust in the blood...because if you did you would be sanctified by it (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleansed from all sin (1 John 1:7).
And yet, God is on my side...which should indicate to you that I have not added to the gospel of grace but have included within it everything that the Lord has included in it.
If Jesus is truly your Lord, then you have repented of all your sins.
It is not merely mouthing the words, "Jesus is Lord" that does the trick...it has to do with confessing that He is your Lord...agreeing with God.
If He is not really your Lord, then to say "Jesus is Lord" is not agreeing with God...because it would not be the truth and God is a God of truth.
Here is another "wall of scripture" that proves you wrong...
Mat 7:15, Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16, Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17, Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18, A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19, Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20, Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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Then you will be opposing Christ's doctrine for as long as you oppose me; for I am preaching Christ's doctrine; which is TRUE and WHOLESOME.
This is the work that is done in Christianity...
Tit 3:3, For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
2Co 5:17, Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Heb 10:14, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Christianity also says, "Repent of your sins and be saved..." (Luke 13:1-5, Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41; Ezekiel 33:19, 2 Timothy 3:16).
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I know. I didn't say that you said that it wasn't.
I was merely hoping to provide for you some added insight into what you were saying.
Everybody in Heaven will be a Redeemed Sinner.....Redeemed, not Defiled.....we are the farthest thing from “ defiled”.....we are “ just as HE is”. Perfect. Simply because we Rested in the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4.....Are you resting or working? I’m the former—- Resting in the Finished Work Of The Cross ......it’s why I am Saved....” Christ Crucified”...... nothing more, nothing less....
...unwilling even to lift up his eyes to heaven. Instead, he beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner!’ Luke 18:13
That is the EXACT same prayer that I prayed.The Prayer that changed everything.The prayer that got me Saved. It was prompted by the Conviction Of Sin by a visit from the Holy Spirit....
“ NOBODY comes to God lest the Spirit draw him”.... It’s a prayer that illustrates the mind- set of a person that has had the TRUE REPENTANCE needed for Salvation .....The Unsaved Man does not enter the “ Starting Gate” Of Christianity by Repenting “ FROM” Sin......He enters it by Repenting “ TO” God ....Just like the Bible says, ”Repentance Toward God, with Faith in Jesus Christ”.....NOT “ Repentance FROM SIN , with faith in Jesus Christ ......
Do it right and God will put His Spirit in you.With that Holy Spirit , all of your “ repenting” From Sins Will amount to something as God will Transform the “inside of the cup”.....only the Holy Spirit has the POWER to actually defeat sin.....any attempts without it are only changes “ on the outside of the cup”.... that’s better than nothing but it’s not what God is looking for .....any works done in an attempt to GET you Saved or KEEP you Saved are just Dead Works .....God is not so much interested in what you do....It’s what God can do THROUGH you that really counts ( shallow, common men and women please ignore those last two sentences—- you’ never get it) ....God Bless....
That is the EXACT same prayer that I prayed.The Prayer that changed everything.The prayer that got me Saved. It was prompted by the Conviction Of Sin by a visit from the Holy Spirit....
“ NOBODY comes to God lest the Spirit draw him”.... It’s a prayer that illustrates the mind- set of a person that has had the TRUE REPENTANCE needed for Salvation .....The Unsaved Man does not enter the “ Starting Gate” Of Christianity by Repenting “ FROM” Sin......He enters it by Repenting “ TO” God ....Just like the Bible says, ”Repentance Toward God, with Faith in Jesus Christ”.....NOT “ Repentance FROM SIN , with faith in Jesus Christ ......
Do it right and God will put His Spirit in you.With that Holy Spirit , all of your “ repenting” From Sins Will amount to something as God will Transform the “inside of the cup”.....only the Holy Spirit has the POWER to actually defeat sin.....any attempts without it are only changes “ on the outside of the cup”.... that’s better than nothing but it’s not what God is looking for .....any works done in an attempt to GET you Saved or KEEP you Saved are just Dead Works .....God is not so much interested in what you do....It’s what God can do THROUGH you that really counts ( shallow, common men and women please ignore those last two sentences—- you’ never get it) ....God Bless....
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.repentance that leads to salvation... 2 Corinthians 7:10
Of course that is true....it’s in the Bible.......notice it doe NOT say “Repentance From SINS!”.....In this case, “ Repentance” means the Turning to God that is identical to the Salvation Formula Found In Acts20:21—— “ I told Jews and Gentiles to turn to God and have Faith in our Lord Jesus”
As I have said numerous times ——- read it! ......It says Turn “TO” God — NOT “ Turn “ From” Sin.....
Nowhere in the KJV does it EVER say, “ Repent from Sins to be Saved”.....
Nobody can ever “ Remember” All Of their Sins, much less repent of them all . Even if they could , it would be a waste of time ! Why? It just ain't the Criteria for Salvation. It’s like abiding by the rules of chess when the actual You are barking up the wrong tree ! Does the Bible ever say “ By Repentance You are Saved , through Faith?” If you answered “ No”, go to the head of the class . The Bible says “ By GRACE you are Saved, through Faith”........Some Confused, poorly taught people need to “ get with the Program” . That Program is Grace through Faith. Plus Nothing.
Once saved , the type of “ repentance” that some people get their panties in a knot over because they think it saves them ( the Repentance That spurs sorrow and regret for sins and the desire to stop them) ....THAT type of Repentance will occur naturally, as do MOST things that have the Holy Spirit involved in them.... God bless....
Of course that is true....it’s in the Bible.......notice it doe NOT say “Repentance From SINS!”.....In this case, “ Repentance” means the Turning to God that is identical to the Salvation Formula Found In Acts20:21—— “ I told Jews and Gentiles to turn to God and have Faith in our Lord Jesus”
As I have said numerous times ——- read it! ......It says Turn “TO” God — NOT “ Turn “ From” Sin.....
Nowhere in the KJV does it EVER say, “ Repent from Sins to be Saved”.....
Nobody can ever “ Remember” All Of their Sins, much less repent of them all . Even if they could , it would be a waste of time ! Why? It just ain't the Criteria for Salvation. It’s like abiding by the rules of chess when the actual You are barking up the wrong tree ! Does the Bible ever say “ By Repentance You are Saved , through Faith?” If you answered “ No”, go to the head of the class . The Bible says “ By GRACE you are Saved, through Faith”........Some Confused, poorly taught people need to “ get with the Program” . That Program is Grace through Faith. Plus Nothing.
Once saved , the type of “ repentance” that some people get their panties in a knot over because they think it saves them ( the Repentance That spurs sorrow and regret for sins and the desire to stop them) ....THAT type of Repentance will occur naturally, as do MOST things that have the Holy Spirit involved in them.... God bless....
But you keep trying to tell us unbelievers living in unrepentance also belong to the household of God.
We’ve been down this road before.....how-can I make-it any clearer?
ANYBODY that lives an entire life of UNBELIEF and dies in that state of UNBELIEF will go to Hell.That's the ONLY reason anybody is in Hell.UNBELIEF. Hitler is not in Hell tonight because he killed Six Million Jews.... Jesus paid the price for Hitler’s sins just as surely as he paid the price for yours and mine.Hitler, like all other denizens Of Hell , failed to “ cash in” on what Jesus did for them. They had no Faith.They were Unbelievers....
Believers who sin and do not repent will be given a “wake up call”.......Trust me, God knows how to “wake up” Foolish Christians.....if they ignore their wake- up call of Chastisement, God can take them home early....He can kill a person in their tracks.....especially a stubborn, rebellious Child Of His...and they will receive no Crowns at the Bema Seat Of Christ.....They are still Saved—-they are still a Child Of His— if they are Believers...
We’ve been down this road before.....how-can I make-it any clearer?
ANYBODY that lives an entire life of UNBELIEF and dies in that state of UNBELIEF will go to Hell.That's the ONLY reason anybody is in Hell.UNBELIEF. Hitler is not in Hell tonight because he killed Six Million Jews.... Jesus paid the price for Hitler’s sins just as surely as he paid the price for yours and mine.Hitler, like all other denizens Of Hell , failed to “ cash in” on what Jesus did for them. They had no Faith.They were Unbelievers....
Believers who sin and do not repent will be given a “wake up call”.......Trust me, God knows how to “wake up” Foolish Christians.....if they ignore their wake- up call of Chastisement, God can take them home early....He can kill a person in their tracks.....especially a stubborn, rebellious Child Of His...and they will receive no Crowns at the Bema Seat Of Christ.....They are still Saved—-they are still a Child Of His— if they are Believers...
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