Shalom, Poppin.
Poppin said:
what path?
if there's significance, tell me what it is.
if it is only for the few, it's not what you think it is.
would you take part in a thread on the book of daniel?
it's aaaaaaamazing.
all fulfilled.
faith building to see it....scripture/scripture + history = God is precision
God Bless,
Poppin
The 70th week followed the 69th.
Jesus fulfilled His atoning work on the cross and rose from the dead in the 70th week.
If He didn't (right on schedule, btw); you are not saved.
Daniel 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV
I agree with you that there is no biblical signal that the 70th Seven was separated from the 69th Seven. I also recognize that Yeshua` Himself was the one who was the One who (1) confirmed the covenant with many for one Seven, (2) caused the sacrifice and the oblation to cease in the middle of the Seven, and (3) made it desolate on account of the overspreading of abominations. HOWEVER, have you considered that it was HE who split the Seven, postponing the second half until later?
First, notice that Yeshua` confirmed the covenant, but this is NOT talking about the NEW Covenant. It is talking about the DAVIDIC Covenant!
HaMashiach - the Messiah - the PROPER antecedent for the word "he" in verse 27 all three times - was anointed to be KING over Isra'el, as well as prophet and priest!
Luke 1:30-33
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS (Greek: IEESOUS, transliteration of Hebrew: YEESHUA`).
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
KJV
Matthew 2:1-6
2 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship (Greek: proskuneesai = "to kneel before") him.
3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ (Greek: Christos = Hebrew: Mashiach = "Anointed [One]") should be born.
5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
KJV
This contains a quotation from Micah's prophecy which we know today as "Micah 5:2":
Micah 5:2
2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
KJV
The head
cohaniym (priests) and transcribers of the
Tanakh, when consulted by Herod, recognized this as a Messianic prophecy! The
cohaniym knew the prophecies and discussed them frequently; the transcribers of the
Tanakh knew where to find those prophecies quickly - THEY were the "index" to the scrolls! They knew the
Torah, the
Navi'iym (Prophets), and the
K'tuviym (Writings) - the
TaNaKh - so well, they could roll the correct scroll right to the passage and find it on the page quickly, especially if they were the one who wrote it out by hand! Remember: They didn't have chapters and verses, the books were not together into one book, yet, and they had no concordances, indices, or computers! So, they had to scan the page until they found the phrase for which they were looking.
The Davidic Covenant, a continuation of the Abrahamic Covenant, says this:
1 Chronicles 17:1-27
1 Now it came to pass, as David sat in his house, that David said to Nathan the prophet, Lo, I dwell in an house of cedars, but the ark of the covenant of the LORD remaineth under curtains.
2 Then Nathan said unto David, Do all that is in thine heart; for God is with thee.
3 And it came to pass the same night, that the word of God came to Nathan, saying,
4 Go and tell David my servant, Thus saith the LORD, Thou shalt not build me an house to dwell in:
5 For I have not dwelt in an house since the day that I brought up Israel unto this day; but have gone from tent to tent, and from one tabernacle to another.
6 Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars?
7 Now therefore thus shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, even from following the sheep, that thou shouldest be ruler over my people Israel:
8 And I have been with thee whithersoever thou hast walked, and have cut off all thine enemies from before thee, and have made thee a name like the name of the great men that are in the earth.
9 Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning,
10 And since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. Moreover I will subdue all thine enemies. Furthermore I tell thee that the LORD will build thee an house.
11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.
12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.
13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:
14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.
15 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.
16 And David the king came and sat before the LORD, and said, Who am I, O LORD God, and what is mine house, that thou hast brought me hitherto?
17 And yet this was a small thing in thine eyes, O God; for thou hast also spoken of thy servant's house for a great while to come, and hast regarded me according to the estate of a man of high degree, O LORD God.
18 What can David speak more to thee for the honour of thy servant? for thou knowest thy servant.
19 O LORD, for thy servant's sake, and according to thine own heart, hast thou done all this greatness, in making known all these great things.
20 O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.
21 And what one nation in the earth is like thy people Israel, whom God went to redeem to be his own people, to make thee a name of greatness and terribleness, by driving out nations from before thy people, whom thou hast redeemed out of Egypt?
22 For thy people Israel didst thou make thine own people for ever; and thou, LORD, becamest their God.
23 Therefore now, LORD, let the thing that thou hast spoken concerning thy servant and concerning his house be established for ever, and do as thou hast said.
24 Let it even be established, that thy name may be magnified for ever, saying, The LORD of hosts is the God of Israel, even a God to Israel: and let the house of David thy servant be established before thee.
25 For thou, O my God, hast told thy servant that thou wilt build him an house: therefore thy servant hath found in his heart to pray before thee.
26 And now, LORD, thou art God, and hast promised this goodness unto thy servant:
27 Now therefore let it please thee to bless the house of thy servant, that it may be before thee for ever: for thou blessest, O LORD, and it shall be blessed for ever.
KJV
YHWH was NOT talking about S
moh (Solomon) but David's SEED! Of key significance is verse 13 above! This is why it was so important for YHWH to say what He said at Yeshua`s
mikvah (baptism)!
Matthew 3:16-17
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
KJV
Mark 1:9-11
9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
KJV
Luke 3:21-22
21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
KJV
John 1:32-34
32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
KJV
I don't think you have any problem with point (2) above, found in Hebrews 9 and 10.
Third, however, Yeshua` was the One who made the city desolate for the "overspreading of abominations":
After one reads all of Matthew 23 and reads about all the "woes" proclaimed on the P'rushiym (Pharisees, meaning "Separatists") and teachers of the Torah, one comes down to the final words of the Messiah:
Matthew 23:37-39
37 “Yerushalayim! Yerushalayim! You kill the prophets! You stone those who are sent to you! How often I wanted to gather your children, just as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you refused! 38 Look! God is abandoning your house to you, leaving it desolate. 39 For I tell you, from now on, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of Adonai.’”
CJB
So, it was HE who broke the continuity of the 70 Sevens of Dani'el 9:24-27! He didn't break it between the 69th and 70th Sevens, as many teach, but He broke off the last half of the Seven! See, the purposes of the 70 Sevens was said to be...
l’kalei’ = to-finish
hapesha` = the-transgression
uwlhaateem = and-to-make-an-end
chaTaa’owt = [of]-sins
uwlkhapeer = and-to-make-reconciliation-for
`aavon = iniquity
uwlhaaviy’ = and-to-usher-in
tsedeq = righteousness
`olaamiym = of-ages
v’lachtom = and-to-seal-up
chaazown = vision
v’naaviy’ = and-prophecy
v’limshoach = and-to-anoint
qodesh = holy
qaadaashiym: = of-holies:
"to-finish the-transgression
and-to-make-an-end [of]-sins
and-to-make-reconciliation-for iniquity
and-to-usher-in righteousness of-ages
and-to-seal-up vision and-prophecy
and-to-anoint holy of-holies:"
Some of these purposes were completely fulfilled. Most were NOT! They had BEGUN to be fulfilled, but their fulfillment is not complete. So, when Gavri'el said, "for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate," he was saying that Yeshua` would continue to make it desolate UNTIL the completion of the time of desolation and all that was decided to be poured out upon His people - upon the Desolate - would be poured out. Thus, Yeshua` postponed His offer of the Kingdom to Isra'el until, said He, they could say, "
Baruwkh haba' b'shem YHWH." The phrase "
baruwkh haba'" (in the plural) is found all over in Isra'el on the welcome signs, wherever tourists and emigrants arrive. Yeshua` was saying they would have to say, "
Welcome, Comer in the authority of YHWH," referring to Himself, the Messiah of YHWH. Not everything in the list of six purposes was accomplished at Yeshua`s first advent. The rest have been postponed until His second advent.
P.S. - I'm going to try to keep everyone on their toes, as much as I can. When you said, "If He didn't (right on schedule, btw); you are not saved," let me emphasize again that "saved" is the
WRONG WORD! NO ONE has been "saved" like the prophecies talk about! What you mean (and should say) is "you are not JUSTIFIED BY GOD!"
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Shalom, DaDad.
DaDad said:
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Hi Retrobyter,
The question was, and still is: How many divisions were there at Alexander's death? Your account is subsequent to that initial division.
It's no different than noting that there were 13 original Colonies; -- but you insist there were 16, because they were turned into States in the 1700's versus the States which were added subsequent to the 1700's, and you have a "16" AGENDA.
Once again, please provide the division of Alexander's Empire AT HIS DEATH.
With Best Regards,
DD
WHY? What is the point in doing this weirdness? It really boils down to what shook out after all the chaos! There were a WHOLE lot more than four in competition for Alexander's empire! One cannot limit it to five anymore than one can limit it to four in the initial years following Alexander's death! It was a forty-year-plus period of intrigue and assassination!
Wikipedia gives us this information:
Division of the empire
Further information: Diadochi
Kingdoms of the Diadochi in 281 BC: the Ptolemaic Kingdom (dark blue), the Seleucid Empire (yellow), Kingdom of Pergamon (orange), and Macedonia (green). Also shown are the Roman Republic (light blue), the Carthaginian Republic (purple), and the Kingdom of Eprius (red).
Alexander's death was so sudden that when reports of his death reached Greece, they were not immediately believed.[67] Alexander had no obvious or legitimate heir, his son Alexander IV by Roxane being born after Alexander's death.[158] According to Diodorus, Alexander's companions asked him on his deathbed to whom he bequeathed his kingdom; his laconic reply was "tôi kratistôi"—"to the strongest".[134]
Arrian and Plutarch claimed that Alexander was speechless by this point, implying that this was an apocryphal story.[159] Diodorus, Curtius and Justin offered the more plausible story that Alexander passed his signet ring to Perdiccas, a bodyguard and leader of the companion cavalry, in front of witnesses, thereby nominating him.[134][158]
Perdiccas initially did not claim power, instead suggesting that Roxane's baby would be king, if male; with himself, Craterus, Leonnatus, and Antipater as guardians. However, the infantry, under the command of Meleager, rejected this arrangement since they had been excluded from the discussion. Instead, they supported Alexander's half-brother Philip Arrhidaeus. Eventually, the two sides reconciled, and after the birth of Alexander IV, he and Philip III were appointed joint kings, albeit in name only.[160]
Dissension and rivalry soon afflicted the Macedonians, however. The satrapies handed out by Perdiccas at the Partition of Babylon became power bases each general used to bid for power. After the assassination of Perdiccas in 321 BC, Macedonian unity collapsed, and 40 years of war between "The Successors" (Diadochi) ensued before the Hellenistic world settled into four stable power blocks: the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt, the Seleucid Empire in the east, the Kingdom of Pergamon in Asia Minor, and Macedon. In the process, both Alexander IV and Philip III were murdered.[161]
More can be read at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great.
So, what are you suggesting? What are you trying to prove?
