Could Jesus have sinned?
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David in NJ
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As a matter of FACT, this understanding is so HUGE that you will be like - WOW
Again, you have the understanding but the KEY scripture verse is a BIGGIE
If you start taking on water , let me know and i will PM you the scripture as i do not want this for all to see.
No need to go further.
Bereshis (in the Beginning) was the Dvar Hashem [YESHAYAH 55:11; BERESHIS 1:1], and the Dvar Hashem was agav (along with) Hashem [MISHLE 8:30; 30:4], and the Dvar Hashem was nothing less, by nature, than Elohim! [Psa 56:11(10); Yn 17:5; Rev. 19:13]
J.
David in NJ
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the answer to the 'waters' question is not PS 56:11, Yn 17:5 nor Rev 19:13
Sometimes when i am thinking too hard i miss the answer that we already know from Genesis 1:2 that was spoken again in precise definition.
David in NJ
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Ephesians 5:25-26 (NKJV):
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word."
In the NT
the Gospels
Matt. 3:16-17; 28:19 (and parallels)
John 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:7-10
Acts ‒ Acts 2:32-33, 38-39
Paul
Rom. 1:4-5; 5:1,5; 8:1-4,8-10
1 Cor. 2:8-10; 12:4-6
2 Cor. 1:21-22; 13:14
Gal. 4:4-6
Eph. 1:3-14,17; 2:18; 3:14-17; 4:4-6
1 Thess. 1:2-5
2 Thess. 2:13
Titus 3:4-6
Peter ‒ 1 Pet. 1:2
John ‒ 1 John 3:23-24; 4:13-14; 5:6-8
Jude ‒ vv. 20-21
J
Taken
Well-Known Member
Disagree…Corrupt Teaching.
The Father God and the Son God ARE …
John 10:
[3] I and MY father are ONE.
ONE What? Spirit, Creator, Maker, without beginning, without ending, ALL knowing….
With many Names, Titles, Characteristics, Tasks to accomplish….ACCORDING to His Order and Way!
God CAN NOT, DID NOT, “reproduce” an offspring.
God SENT His WORD forth out of His Mouth, FROM HIS Heavenly Kingdom to His Earthly Footstool….Gave His Word, a body in the likeness of Human Jewish men, and UNTAINTED PURE BLOOD in that body, and a Name, Titles, Tasks….TO ACCOMPLISH..
IF YOUR word is NOT “YOU”….who IS IT?
Gods Word…IS God…
Gods SPIRIT…IS God…
Gods SEED….IS God
Gods WISDOM…IS God
Gods LIGHT..IS God…
Gods POWER…IS God…
And WHILE Gods Word, Gods Spirit, Gods Light, Gods Seed, Gods wisdom, Gods Light, Gods Power IS ON EARTH….you shall call HIM…
Word…Son
Jesus…Truth
Spirit….Life
Seed…Christ
Wisdom…Christ
Light….Way
Power…Christ
heb 1:
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
What God SENT was His Word…God called…A HOLY THING….that came out of Gods mouth…and Declare that Holy THING to be CALLED the Son of God.
Luke 1:
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Humans come out of the DUST of the Earth….The Son of God came forth out from Gods mouth.
John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
Jesus IS Spirit revealed TO mankind in a body God Prepared FOR HUMANS to SEE Him and Hear Him face to face.
Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Teaching a spiritual event….is marred by teaching a corrupt man-made philosophy…
Angels ARE Spirits and have Historically and to this day HaVe tHe Power to APPEAR as Human men…..Doesn’t mean they ARE Human men!
Glory to God,
Taken
Webers_Home
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FAQ: Did Jesus have God's blood in his flesh or human blood?
REPLY: According to Lev 17:11, the life of the flesh is in the blood. Well,
had there been God's life in Jesus' flesh instead of human life, then he
would've been disqualified from inheriting David's throne because Jesus
would've failed to satisfy the biological requirement of Ps 132:11 which says:
"The Lord has sworn in truth unto David; and He will not turn from it: "Of
the fruit of your body will I set upon your throne"
Plus: Acts 2:29-30 & Rom 1:3 would be easily proven false statements.
FAQ: Why are a number of Christians insistent upon Jesus having God's
blood in his flesh instead of human blood?
REPLY: They sincerely believe human blood isn't pure enough to offer as an
atonement for the sins of the world. Their logic is reasonable, I'll give them
that; but under the microscope of inspired writ, their defense turns out to be
little more than clever sophistry.
FAQ: Jesus was virgin conceived. How then was his flesh normal flesh?
REPLY: Eve was constructed with material taken from Adam's body. Thus
Eve's flesh was Adam's flesh; which eventually became everybody's flesh
(Acts 17:26).
In like manner: had any part of Mary's flesh been used to construct Jesus,
then his flesh would've been Mary's flesh, and by extension Eve's flesh
and Adam's flesh.
FAQ: How can you be sure baby Jesus wasn't an implant, and Mary his
surrogate mother instead of his biological mother?
REPLY: The angel informed Mary that she would conceive in her womb. Well
conception within a woman's womb can't happen without involving her
ovum, i.e. her seed.
NOTE: There is abroad in our time something called the spirit of antichrist.
The salient characteristic of that spirit is it's denial that Jesus is a bona fides
human being-- biologically related to David, and biologically related to
Adam. Watch for it; you might be surprised how often that spirit turns up on
internet forums; especially Christian forums.
_
FAQ: Did Jesus have God's blood in his flesh or human blood?
REPLY: According to Lev 17:11, the life of the flesh is in the blood. Well,
had there been God's life in Jesus' flesh instead of human life, then he
would've been disqualified from inheriting David's throne because Jesus
would've failed to satisfy the biological requirement of Ps 132:11 which says:
"The Lord has sworn in truth unto David; and He will not turn from it: "Of
the fruit of your body will I set upon your throne"
Plus: Acts 2:29-30 & Rom 1:3 would be easily proven false statements.
FAQ: Why are a number of Christians insistent upon Jesus having God's
blood in his flesh instead of human blood?
REPLY: They sincerely believe human blood isn't pure enough to offer as an
atonement for the sins of the world. Their logic is reasonable, I'll give them
that; but under the microscope of inspired writ, their defense turns out to be
little more than clever sophistry.
FAQ: Jesus was virgin conceived. How then was his flesh normal flesh?
REPLY: Eve was constructed with material taken from Adam's body. Thus
Eve's flesh was Adam's flesh; which eventually became everybody's flesh
(Acts 17:26).
In like manner: had any part of Mary's flesh been used to construct Jesus,
then his flesh would've been Mary's flesh, and by extension Eve's flesh
and Adam's flesh.
FAQ: How can you be sure baby Jesus wasn't an implant, and Mary his
surrogate mother instead of his biological mother?
REPLY: The angel informed Mary that she would conceive in her womb. Well
conception within a woman's womb can't happen without involving her
ovum, i.e. her seed.
NOTE: There is abroad in our time something called the spirit of antichrist.
The salient characteristic of that spirit is it's denial that Jesus is a bona fides
human being-- biologically related to David, and biologically related to
Adam. Watch for it; you might be surprised how often that spirit turns up on
internet forums; especially Christian forums.
_
Stumpmaster
Well-Known Member
Stumpmaster
Well-Known Member
As prophesied . . .
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He will bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.
As preached . . .
Rom 5:18-19 Therefore as by one offense sentence came on all men to condemnation, even so by the righteousness of One the free gift came to all men to justification of life. (19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of One shall many be made righteous.
Just hover over the picture of the person you want to block.
You'll see-follow, ignore, --and he, she, it is history.
J.
We can all consider any banned topic anywhere as evidence that the topic fears being discovered as defenseless. Strange but true, we rely on Yahweh for truth - not the local church. We have scripture, but few people dwell on what is written to then use comparisons to let scripture reveal itself.
Local churches and seminaries depend on man to deliver truth. And that is why churches around the world are weak. There are the faithful, but the shortage is that they are faithful to what man has told them. Few they are who are faithful to Yahweh's truth. Consider these passages and then ask for Yahweh's truth.
In Galatians 4:4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman born under the law.
Examine Isaiah 42:6 & Isaiah 49:8. No one can be in both covenants at the same time. Jesus was the personification of the new covenant. He is the gospel of the kingdom of God and the king of the kingdom of God by the will of God. It was the mother of Jesus who was under the law - remove the translator-provided comma after the word woman. Mary was born under the law but her son was the Christ, the new covenant in the flesh.
Any time that passages conflict, be ready for some passages to be ignored, because they cause harm to the preferred doctrine. For those seeking truth, each passage must be true if scripture is true. Don't buy a truth just because you like the person providing it.
All knowledge and understanding, granted us by God’s spirit, must fit every passage in scripture. To do otherwise is to accuse God of deception and lying. God’s truth is not determined by majority vote, nor is truth established based on the number of people who believe one way or the other. However, Jesus was a majority of one.
The length of time a statement has been accepted as true is not a determining factor in deciding truth. God gives light to truth when we open our eyes and minds to receive it. Despite what we determine for ourselves to believe, we are responsible for what we believe, because man is not able to make anyone believe anything - man can only persuade, but that still has to be accepted. Satan, the father of lies, started in the Garden of Eden with his deception, and that deception has not slowed down throughout history.
John 8: 44 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Dt 32:6 Do you thus repay Yahweh, you foolish and senseless people? Is not he your father, who created you, who made you and established you?
Dt 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.
Is 42:5–7. Thus says Yahweh God, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and what comes from it, who gives breath to the people on it and spirit to those who walk in it: “I am Yahweh; I have called you in righteousness; I will take you by the hand and keep you; I will give you as a covenant for the people, a light for the nations, to open the eyes that are blind, to bring out the prisoners from the dungeon, from the prison those who sit in darkness. (See John 1)
2 Sa 22:32 “For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God?
2 Ki 19:14–15 And Hezekiah prayed before Yahweh and said: “Yahweh, the God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth.
Neh 9:6 “You are Yahweh, you alone. You have made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them; and you preserve all of them; and the host of heaven worships you.
PS 83:18 that they may know that you alone, whose name is the Yahweh, are the Most High over all the earth
Is 37:16 “O LORD of hosts Yahweh, God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth.
Is 37:20 So now, our God Yahweh, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that you alone are the LORD.”
Is 42:8. I am Yahweh; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.
Is 44:8. Fear not, nor be afraid; have I not told you from of old and declared it? And you are my witnesses! Is there a God besides me? There is no Rock; I know not any.”
Is 49:8-9 Thus says Yahweh: “In a time of favor I have answered you; in a day of salvation I have helped you; I will keep you and give you as a covenant to the people, to establish the land, to apportion the desolate heritages, saying to the prisoners, ‘Come out,’ to those who are in darkness, ‘Appear.’ They shall feed along the ways; on all bare heights shall be their pasture;
Mt 12:15–21 Jesus, aware of this, withdrew from there. And many followed him, and he healed them all and ordered them not to make him known. This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: “Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles. He will not quarrel or cry aloud, nor will anyone hear his voice in the streets; a bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not quench, until he brings justice to victory; and in his name the Gentiles will hope.”
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God
John 17:1-11 Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you. For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me. I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. All mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them. And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.
1 Co 15:21–28. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.
Eph 4:4–6 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
1 Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Heb 1:1–4. Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created theworld (aionas -means "ages"). He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.
We all will answer one day for the things we have chosen to believe.
Local churches and seminaries depend on man to deliver truth. And that is why churches around the world are weak. There are the faithful, but the shortage is that they are faithful to what man has told them. Few they are who are faithful to Yahweh's truth. Consider these passages and then ask for Yahweh's truth.
In Galatians 4:4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman born under the law.
Examine Isaiah 42:6 & Isaiah 49:8. No one can be in both covenants at the same time. Jesus was the personification of the new covenant. He is the gospel of the kingdom of God and the king of the kingdom of God by the will of God. It was the mother of Jesus who was under the law - remove the translator-provided comma after the word woman. Mary was born under the law but her son was the Christ, the new covenant in the flesh.
Any time that passages conflict, be ready for some passages to be ignored, because they cause harm to the preferred doctrine. For those seeking truth, each passage must be true if scripture is true. Don't buy a truth just because you like the person providing it.
All knowledge and understanding, granted us by God’s spirit, must fit every passage in scripture. To do otherwise is to accuse God of deception and lying. God’s truth is not determined by majority vote, nor is truth established based on the number of people who believe one way or the other. However, Jesus was a majority of one.
The length of time a statement has been accepted as true is not a determining factor in deciding truth. God gives light to truth when we open our eyes and minds to receive it. Despite what we determine for ourselves to believe, we are responsible for what we believe, because man is not able to make anyone believe anything - man can only persuade, but that still has to be accepted. Satan, the father of lies, started in the Garden of Eden with his deception, and that deception has not slowed down throughout history.
John 8: 44 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Dt 32:6 Do you thus repay Yahweh, you foolish and senseless people? Is not he your father, who created you, who made you and established you?
Dt 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.
Is 42:5–7. Thus says Yahweh God, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and what comes from it, who gives breath to the people on it and spirit to those who walk in it: “I am Yahweh; I have called you in righteousness; I will take you by the hand and keep you; I will give you as a covenant for the people, a light for the nations, to open the eyes that are blind, to bring out the prisoners from the dungeon, from the prison those who sit in darkness. (See John 1)
2 Sa 22:32 “For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God?
2 Ki 19:14–15 And Hezekiah prayed before Yahweh and said: “Yahweh, the God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth.
Neh 9:6 “You are Yahweh, you alone. You have made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them; and you preserve all of them; and the host of heaven worships you.
PS 83:18 that they may know that you alone, whose name is the Yahweh, are the Most High over all the earth
Is 37:16 “O LORD of hosts Yahweh, God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth.
Is 37:20 So now, our God Yahweh, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that you alone are the LORD.”
Is 42:8. I am Yahweh; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.
Is 44:8. Fear not, nor be afraid; have I not told you from of old and declared it? And you are my witnesses! Is there a God besides me? There is no Rock; I know not any.”
Is 49:8-9 Thus says Yahweh: “In a time of favor I have answered you; in a day of salvation I have helped you; I will keep you and give you as a covenant to the people, to establish the land, to apportion the desolate heritages, saying to the prisoners, ‘Come out,’ to those who are in darkness, ‘Appear.’ They shall feed along the ways; on all bare heights shall be their pasture;
Mt 12:15–21 Jesus, aware of this, withdrew from there. And many followed him, and he healed them all and ordered them not to make him known. This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: “Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles. He will not quarrel or cry aloud, nor will anyone hear his voice in the streets; a bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not quench, until he brings justice to victory; and in his name the Gentiles will hope.”
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God
John 17:1-11 Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you. For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me. I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. All mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them. And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.
1 Co 15:21–28. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.
Eph 4:4–6 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
1 Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Heb 1:1–4. Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the
We all will answer one day for the things we have chosen to believe.
Webers_Home
Well-Known Member
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FAQ: Did Jesus' virgin conception isolate him from the so-called fallen nature?
REPLY: No.
FAQ: Why not?
REPLY: Because Adam's posterity didn't, doesn't, and won't obtain the fallen
nature by means of heredity.
For example: Eve was constructed with material taken from Adam's body.
However; here construction was completed prior to his tasting the forbidden
fruit so it was impossible for him to pass the fallen nature to her via
heredity.
FAQ: If Eve didn't obtain the fallen nature from Adam; then was it from the
chemistry of the forbidden fruit?
REPLY: Eve tasted the fruit before Adam and when she did; nothing
happened. She went right on unashamed in the buff as usual. It wasn't till
Adam tasted the fruit that Eve's perception of decency underwent a change
and she began fashioning fig leaves to cover her pelvic area.
FAQ: Well, if not Adam, and if not the fruit, then whence did Eve obtain the
fallen nature: from God?
REPLY: Mr. Serpent is the logical source, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2) He has
the power of death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human
body and the human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke 13:16,
Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.
FAQ: When does the Serpent go to work on people . . . in the womb or out
of the womb?
REPLY: Adam and his wife demonstrate the Serpent's ability to work on
adults, but I'm guessing he gets to most everyone else in the womb. (Ps
51:5 & Ps 58:3)
So: even if Joseph had been baby Jesus' end-game biological father, the
child wouldn't have necessarily been born with the fallen nature because we
don't get it that way. It's obtained from humanity's other father; the Devil--
ergo: protecting baby Jesus from the so called fallen nature was just simply
a matter of keeping the Devil's paws off him.
FAQ: No Fair! Why doesn't God protect everyone from the Devil's paws; why
only Jesus?
REPLY: God didn't need everybody for crucifixion; He just needed one.
(cf. John 11:49-51) Relative to human life and safety, Jesus is quite a
bargain.
● Isa 53:6 . . We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to
his own way; and The Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
● Rom 6:3 . . Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into
Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
● Rom 6:6 . . Knowing this, that our old self is crucified with him
● Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ
● Col 3:1-4 . . For you died when Christ died
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FAQ: Did Jesus' virgin conception isolate him from the so-called fallen nature?
REPLY: No.
FAQ: Why not?
REPLY: Because Adam's posterity didn't, doesn't, and won't obtain the fallen
nature by means of heredity.
For example: Eve was constructed with material taken from Adam's body.
However; here construction was completed prior to his tasting the forbidden
fruit so it was impossible for him to pass the fallen nature to her via
heredity.
FAQ: If Eve didn't obtain the fallen nature from Adam; then was it from the
chemistry of the forbidden fruit?
REPLY: Eve tasted the fruit before Adam and when she did; nothing
happened. She went right on unashamed in the buff as usual. It wasn't till
Adam tasted the fruit that Eve's perception of decency underwent a change
and she began fashioning fig leaves to cover her pelvic area.
FAQ: Well, if not Adam, and if not the fruit, then whence did Eve obtain the
fallen nature: from God?
REPLY: Mr. Serpent is the logical source, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2) He has
the power of death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human
body and the human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke 13:16,
Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.
FAQ: When does the Serpent go to work on people . . . in the womb or out
of the womb?
REPLY: Adam and his wife demonstrate the Serpent's ability to work on
adults, but I'm guessing he gets to most everyone else in the womb. (Ps
51:5 & Ps 58:3)
So: even if Joseph had been baby Jesus' end-game biological father, the
child wouldn't have necessarily been born with the fallen nature because we
don't get it that way. It's obtained from humanity's other father; the Devil--
ergo: protecting baby Jesus from the so called fallen nature was just simply
a matter of keeping the Devil's paws off him.
FAQ: No Fair! Why doesn't God protect everyone from the Devil's paws; why
only Jesus?
REPLY: God didn't need everybody for crucifixion; He just needed one.
(cf. John 11:49-51) Relative to human life and safety, Jesus is quite a
bargain.
● Isa 53:6 . . We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to
his own way; and The Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
● Rom 6:3 . . Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into
Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
● Rom 6:6 . . Knowing this, that our old self is crucified with him
● Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ
● Col 3:1-4 . . For you died when Christ died
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John 1:14 (NKJV) – "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
This passage affirms the incarnation, where the eternal Logos (the Word) took on human flesh. The idea of enhypostasia helps explain how Christ's humanity was real but not separate from His divine person.
Colossians 2:9 (NKJV) – "For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily."
This verse teaches the fullness of the divine nature dwelling in the person of Christ. Enhypostasia affirms that Christ's human nature was united with His divine nature, supporting the idea that His divinity and humanity co-exist in one person.
Philippians 2:6-7 (NKJV) – "...who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men."
This highlights the self-emptying of Christ in His incarnation. The term enhypostasia helps clarify that, in taking on human form, Christ did not become a separate human person but remained one divine person with two natures.
Hebrews 2:14 (NKJV) – "Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil."
Here, Christ's full participation in human nature is emphasized, consistent with the theological assertion that His human nature was real and complete, yet it was always united with His divine nature.
While the terminology enhypostasia is not found in Scripture, the underlying theological concept is based on the Bible’s portrayal of Christ’s unified personhood. Scripture emphasizes that Christ is one person with two natures (divine and human) and does not divide or separate His humanity and divinity into two persons. The term was developed to preserve the biblical truth of Christ's personhood against heretical teachings that either denied His full divinity or humanity.
In conclusion, the term enhypostasia reflects biblical teaching about the person of Christ, even if it is a theological construct not directly stated in Scripture.
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Why hide the Aleithia/emes?
J.
Don’t hide anything, but we can’t talk about it here.
btw, I decided to change the theological word of the day to anhypostasis - related to enhypostasis.
So why bring up something "--but do not discuss?"
So where do you want to talk about it?
J.
Because it is something that everyone needs to know but may be too closely related to a subject that cannot be discussed on this forum. I don’t want to risk it.
Two of my posts in this thread have already been deleted by moderators for discussing that which cannot be discussed; none of yours have been, even though they are more explicit on the subject than mine were. Selective enforcement.
See post #96.
I was formally taught it in school. I’ve lectured on it in a variety of settings in North America and Africa. I talk about it everywhere, but not here since the current Board policy was implemented; prior to, but not after.
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