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Yehren

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BTW, Trump actually got something right. He said he has a hunch that the mortality rate will be lower than the over 3% currently on the board. As we find more people with mild cases of the disease, the mortality rate will drop.

It's going to be worse than the usual flu, but not over 3%.

Then he was back in form, blaming Obama:

 
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I'm pan millennial... I don't sweat it... I figure it will all pan out in the end.

Apparently either GOD wasted both HIS time and OURS by providing such a cacophony of confusion which no man can understand, -- OR -- most christians need milk because they can't chew meat.

So do you prefer a bottle, sippie cup, or regular glass for your milk?
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Apparently either GOD wasted both HIS time and OURS by providing such a cacophony of confusion which no man can understand, -- or most christians need milk because they can't chew meat.

So do you prefer a bottle, sippie cup, or regular glass for your milk?
Bobby Jo
I've been a Christian for a very long time. I don't need your pathetic insults to know what is important and what isn't.
 

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I've been a Christian for a very long time. I don't need your pathetic insults to know what is important and what isn't.

All I'm saying is, just add SCRIPTURE to your list of what isn't important. Because if it were important, you'd FIGURE IT OUT.

Matt. 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force. -- or better rendered --, the kingdom of heaven is obtained by ardent pursuit, and pursuers take it by ardent action.

It doesn't come while reclining on the sofa drinking a Pepsi and eating potato chips while watching Oprah.

Need more milk!
Bobby Jo
 
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All I'm saying is, just add SCRIPTURE to your list of what isn't important. Because if it were important, you'd FIGURE IT OUT.

Matt. 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force. -- or better rendered --, the kingdom of heaven is obtained by ardent pursuit, and pursuers take it by ardent action.

It doesn't come while reclining on the sofa drinking a Pepsi and eating potato chips while watching Oprah.

Need more milk!
Bobby Jo
And you claim to have figured out that Donald Trump is one of the two witnesses... please do show me the verse that clearly says that. Because I've read the whole Book several times. I must have missed it.
I do believe scripture is very important. But I don't believe in entertaining fantasy interpretations.
 
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Here's the meat:

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. [38] This is the greatest and the first commandment. [39] And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.

You're speculating on about things that won't make a hair of difference in your relationship with God. Listen to Jesus and act accordingly.

Need more milk!
Bobby Jo

See above; gnostic imaginings won't save you. But following Jesus' words will. Focus on that.
 
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And you claim to have figured out that Donald Trump is one of the two witnesses... please do show me the verse that clearly says that. Because I've read the whole Book several times. I must have missed it.
I do believe scripture is very important. But I don't believe in entertaining fantasy interpretations.

Before we jump to conclusions, and given you have "read the whole Book several times", let me ask a foundational question:

Dan. Chapter 2 provides the sequence of world empires which are understood to be:

1. Head, Gold, Babylonian
2. Breast, Silver, Medo/Persian
3. Belly, Bronze, Grecian
4.a. Legs, Iron, Roman
4.b. Feet, Iron/Clay, some variation of Revived Roman / European Union​

Agreed?

Bobby Jo
 

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Before we jump to conclusions, and given you have "read the whole Book several times", let me ask a foundational question:

Dan. Chapter 2 provides the sequence of world empires which are understood to be:

1. Head, Gold, Babylonian
2. Breast, Silver, Medo/Persian
3. Belly, Bronze, Grecian
4.a. Legs, Iron, Roman
4.b. Feet, Iron/Clay, some variation of Revived Roman / European Union​

Agreed?

Bobby Jo
Just get to the Trump part. I don't want speculation, I want facts.
What difference is it going to make if I think I know who one of the witnesses is, anyway?
Is it going to make me a better person? If not, it's irrelevant.
 

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Just get to the Trump part. I don't want speculation, I want facts.
What difference is it going to make if I think I know who one of the witnesses is, anyway?
Is it going to make me a better person? If not, it's irrelevant.

It's ok if you don't want to answer a simple question before attempting the complex. I just think if the milk goes down, then maybe we can discuss the meat ...

So would you please answer the one "milk" question about Dan. Chapt. 2?
Bobby Jo
 
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It's ok if you don't want to answer a simple question before attempting the complex. I just think if the milk goes down, then maybe we can discuss the meat ...

So would you please answer the one "milk" question about Dan. Chapt. 2?
Bobby Jo
The second book of Daniel does not tell us what the kingdoms are... And I'm not an authority on ancient kingdoms, so anything I come up with would be just a guess.
My guess is that this prophecy was already fulfilled before Christ.
 
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The second book of Daniel does not tell us what the kingdoms are... And I'm not an authority on ancient kingdoms, so anything I come up with would be just a guess.
My guess is that this prophecy was already fulfilled before Christ.

You guess WRONG on MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS, -- you even BUTCHERED the Second Chapter of Daniel and called it the SECOND BOOK; but I guess RIGHT. If I gave you "meat" you couldn't chew it, so why waste both our time?

Go back to your slumber, -- you can wake up after it's too late:

1 Thess. 5:2 For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief.


And enjoy the SURPRISE!
Bobby Jo
 
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You guess WRONG on MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS, -- you even BUTCHERED the Second Chapter of Daniel and called it the SECOND BOOK; but I guess RIGHT. If I gave you "meat" you couldn't chew it, so why waste both our time?

Go back to your slumber, -- you can wake up after it's too late:

1 Thess. 5:2 For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief.


And enjoy the SURPRISE!
Bobby Jo
Lol, no explanation, just more insults.
You ever wonder why people see end times enthusiasts as fanatical? Maybe it's because they react so violently against anyone who disagrees with them.
 

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Lol, no explanation, just more insults.
You ever wonder why people see end times enthusiasts as fanatical? Maybe it's because they react so violently against anyone who disagrees with them.

I don't care if you disagree with what I understand is in Scripture. In fact I wish you would disagree with something I said. But to DISAGREE, you have to be informed, and buddy, you ain't.

So when you're informed let's have a discussion. But PLEASE don't do as so many who REFUSE TO BE INFORMED. Scripture is TRUE and History is TRUE. So don't make either a liar to "justify" FALSE RELIGIOUS DOCTRINES.

PLEASE be INFORMED so that you can come to the TRUTH of a matter. And just to be clear, "informed " IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT I SAY, -- it's what Scripture and History say. And as already pointed out, you apparently don't even know the difference between Dan. Second Chapt., and your mistaken Dan. SECOND BOOK.

Bobby Jo
 
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I don't care if you disagree with what I understand is in Scripture. In fact I wish you would disagree with something I said. But to DISAGREE, you have to be informed, and buddy, you ain't.

So when you're informed let's have a discussion. But PLEASE don't do as so many who REFUSE TO BE INFORMED. Scripture is TRUE and History is TRUE. So don't make either a liar to "justify" FALSE RELIGIOUS DOCTRINES.

PLEASE be INFORMED so that you can come to the TRUTH of a matter. And just to be clear, "informed " IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT I SAY, -- it's what Scripture and History say. And as already pointed out, you apparently don't even know the difference between Dan. Second Chapt., and your mistaken Dan. SECOND BOOK.

Bobby Jo
Wow, let's quibble over a technical error. You are Guessing at what the dream in 2 Daniel means. That's it, just guessing.
And that being the case, your guess is as good as mine, and vice versa.
What you should get out of that chapter is the greatness of God, not speculation about future events.
 

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Wow, let's quibble over a technical error. You are Guessing at what the dream in 2 Daniel means. That's it, just guessing.
And that being the case, your guess is as good as mine, and vice versa.
What you should get out of that chapter is the greatness of God, not speculation about future events.

You're correct. All those verses telling us different prophetic aspects aren't important. Just believe that GOD is the Creator of all things. -- So if that's all we need to know, then why all the extraneous nonsense? Can GOD really be so GREAT when HE wastes our time and effort trying to understand participants and events which cannot be understood?

In that case, I'd propose that YOU are GREATER than GOD because YOU can see what benefits us, and what simply wastes our time. And this bible "GOD" is a mere distraction.


Glad you could clear that up. Now can I worship you?
Bobby Jo
 

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Before we jump to conclusions, and given you have "read the whole Book several times", let me ask a foundational question:

Dan. Chapter 2 provides the sequence of world empires which are understood to be:

1. Head, Gold, Babylonian
2. Breast, Silver, Medo/Persian
3. Belly, Bronze, Grecian
4.a. Legs, Iron, Roman
4.b. Feet, Iron/Clay, some variation of Revived Roman / European Union​

Agreed?

Bobby Jo

First off, Bobby Jo, the Statue prophecy in Daniel 2 does not provide an insight into the sequence of world empires, but rather it clearly states in the prophecy the kingdoms, empires and people groups that have had and will have dominion over the Land of the Chaldeans/Babylon right up until the start of the last period of the End Times.

Secondly, History demonstrates that the Roman Empire did not have dominion over the Land of the Chaldeans/Babylon as you have claimed.

Yes the Roman Empire had dominion over many lands, but it was not a world empire just as Babylon and the Medo/Persian Empires were not world empires, but the first three mentioned empires did have dominion over the Land of the Chaldeans/Babylon, before the eastern arm of the Grecian Empire stripped the Land of the Chaldeans/Babylon of its people and utilities leaving it devastated and desolated for a period of around 2,000 years such that there was nothing left in the Land of the Chaldeans/Babylon for the Roman Empire to have dominion over.

If we consult modern history, we will read that the Land of the Chaldeans/Babylon was remembered once more when a nation was established in the Land of the Chaldeans in 1926 AD and that a Coalition of nations numbering around 20 nations, in March 2003 entered Iraq/The Land of the Chaldeans/Babylon and exercised their dominion over the Land of the Chaldeans/Babylon.

Now you claim that both Scripture and History agree with each other, yet you present a list of nations from History that does not support the Scriptures as you claim it does.

Yes you can provide historical maps that supports your world view of history, but those maps only show the grandeur of what could have been and not necessarily the true fact of the situation with respect to the dominion of the land of the Chaldeans/Babylon during the period of time that the land of the Chaldeans/Babylon lay devastated and desolated of people.

The remembering of the Land of the Chaldeans/Babylon in 1926 can be confirmed from two passages of scripture with the first prophecy found in the Book of Jeremiah and the second prophecy, which describes the recent events in Iraq and its invasion by a coalition of Nations, and the second is found in the Book of Revelation where we are told that during the period of great turmoil on the earth, that the Land of the Chaldeans/Babylon will be remembered before God once more to suffer God's wrath against it.

This understand can only be seen with 20/20 understanding from this present time since 2003 AD.

Your historical understanding was established many years ago without the benefit of any hindsight from this present vantage point to confirm whether or not what was suggested many years ago was true.

You, Bobby Jo, love to suggest that people who do not hold to your view are very foolish to suggest something that is different from your understanding of the scriptures. I am sure that what you pen can only be considered to be what you are seeing of yourself in a mirror.

Now unless you have Biblical support to show that the scriptural and historical facts presented above is flawed, I think, that this is the end of your reign as the put down king of the end times posters, based on your private opinion of the facts.

Shalom
 

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...the Statue prophecy in Daniel 2 does not provide an insight into the sequence of world empires, ...

It's a simple yes or no. And if "no" then please provide any corrections necessary:

1. Head, Gold, Babylonian
2. Breast, Silver, Medo/Persian
3. Belly, Bronze, Grecian
4.a. Legs, Iron, Roman
4.b. Feet, Iron/Clay, some variation of Revived Roman / European Union​

Agreed?
Bobby Jo
 

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It's a simple yes or no. And if "no" then please provide any corrections necessary:

1. Head, Gold, Babylonian
2. Breast, Silver, Medo/Persian
3. Belly, Bronze, Grecian
4.a. Legs, Iron, Roman
4.b. Feet, Iron/Clay, some variation of Revived Roman / European Union​

Agreed?
Bobby Jo

No, you are repeating the same lies as to who are the last two segments of the Statue prophecy.

Scripture and history do support the first three in your list, but the last two in your list have no scriptural or historical support as to having had dominion over the land of the Chaldeans/Babylon.

Scripture and history does support the fact that the land of the Chaldeans/Babylon was devastated and desolated for a period of two ages, (approximately for 2,000 year) and was remembered once more in 1926.

The necessary correction is that Segment four is Iraq, 1926-2003, and Segment five is the Coalition of the willing, now fragmented, 2003 to the present time.

Just as you keep pounding, Scripture and History does not lie, if you are able to put understand what is recorded in both. Based on your statements in the past, you are the one who is calling God a liar.

Shalom
 

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The necessary correction is that Segment four is Iraq, 1926-2003, and Segment five is the Coalition of the willing, now fragmented, 2003 to the present time.

So you would propose (in purple):

Daniel Chapter 2 Sequence of World Empires:
1. Head, Gold, Babylonian
2. Breast, Silver, Medo/Persian
3. Belly, Bronze, Grecian
4. Legs, Iron, Iraq
5. Feet, Iron/Clay, the Coalition of the willing
Excellent. So if Dan. 2 says FIVE, then exactly who are the Dan. 7 FOUR. We should all appreciate that FIVE FOUR so please clarify!

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So you would propose (in purple):

Daniel Chapter 2 Sequence of World Empires:
1. Head, Gold, Babylonian
2. Breast, Silver, Medo/Persian
3. Belly, Bronze, Grecian
4. Legs, Iron, Iraq
5. Feet, Iron/Clay, the Coalition of the willing
Excellent. So if Dan. 2 says FIVE, then exactly who are the Dan. 7 FOUR. We should all appreciate that FIVE ≠ FOUR so please clarify!

Bobby Jo

Is that not your dilemma to solve?

Have you not considered that your understanding is flawed and that there is a repetition in the Daniel 2 list that helps that list to be in agreement with your shortened list of the nations, kingdoms, empires and people groups that have manifested the four beasts repeatedly over time, as referenced in Daniel 7:2. The book of Jeremiah certainly supports this understanding. But then again you were not able to identify who or what they were in that verse.

Perhaps it is you that should stop telling lies concerning God's prophetic prophecies.

Perhaps you need to have a good sleep now, so as to rest your overworked brain on these matters. Know what I mean?

Shalom