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Yehren

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And Bakker will declare that his religious freedom is being violated.
 
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And Bakker will declare that his religious freedom is being violated.
I just can't believe a convicted conman televangelist gets out of prison, goes right back to televangelism, and people actually line up to give him money! I'm speechless.

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It's all he knows. Recidivism is unfortunately, quite common in televangelists.
 

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I just can't believe a convicted conman televangelist gets out of prison, goes right back to televangelism, and people actually line up to give him money! I'm speechless.
Not to mention the danger of silver poisoning. . . .

 

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The nano H2O solution of Ag ions can be very effective for health. It seems though if Bakker's product is of pure contents it is still well overpriced. He seems to be price gouging.

Yes, I do believe that you can OD and harm your body as with any product if used in excess. I also believe that when miners used this silver and silver coins in a water solution they used it to ward off colds and flus effectively. The concept of silver to boost the immune system, repair skin damage faster and heal burns etc has been used for thousands of years. It actually works according to historical records.

Today, however we still have to deal with the same Pharma money making machine that will lobby to kill of cheaper and more effective preventive measures, and cures for ailments. Since the Chinese, most probably man-made, beer virus is spreading throughout the world, these pharma companies, FDA and other government-aided 'medical' organizations require total control of what you will get as a 'cure' for this bug. If they cannot control their competition and maintain a cycle of keeping folks 'sick' over a long period of time then they cannot make much money off it.

I am taking some silver solution with me in the cruise I'm going on next week....it would be my first line of defense if this bug is in and detected immediately....APAK
 

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And the way the government bungled the coronavirus outbreak has again impacted the markets.


Trump's spin on the crisis didn't fix things; the public no longer believes him. Neither does Wall Street.
 

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Trump's spin on the crisis didn't fix things; the public no longer believes him. Neither does Wall Street.
You are attacking Trump just because that is what Leftists do. Even when Trump did everything right you attacked him. Which means the Left has ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIBILITY.And you are misleading people by saying that the public no longer believes him.

It is the media who are deliberately creating a coronavirus hysteria, and that in turn is affecting Wall Street. When all the media make 90% or more of their new about coronavirus, it is bound to create panic and hysteria. If they would stop their fear-mongering, things would get back to normal. And it now clear that the mortality rate of coronavirus is about the same as that of influenza.
 

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You are attacking Trump just because that is what Leftists do.

I've given him credit when he's done something right. I've criticized him when he's messed up. That's what Americans do. Or at least we're supposed to do that. If you don't, you're letting America down.

Even when Trump did everything right you attacked him.

Nope. For example, I've commended him on air strikes on Syria when they tried to resume chemical warfare. I've commended him for backing sentencing reform. When he does right we should give him credit for it. When he violates the law, we should hold him accountable. When he lies, he deserves our condemnation.

Which means the Left has ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIBILITY.And you are misleading people by saying that the public no longer believes him.

Well, let's take a look...

The number almost hits you in the face: Less than one in three people in the new CNN-SSRS poll believe that President Donald Trump is honest and trustworthy.
Two-thirds of the country don't think you can trust this president! They don't think he is honest! That's a remarkable finding.
It's also virtually the exact same way that voters judged Trump on the question of being honest and trustworthy on November 8, 2016 -- the day he was elected president.
People don't think Donald Trump is honest or trustworthy. And they never really have. - CNNPolitics

The 25 most common words Americans used to describe Trump
3. Liar
The 25 words Americans now use to describe Trump

Honesty, which has largely been considered a challenge for Trump since his 2016 campaign, continues to be among his weakest personal characteristics. Currently, 34% of Americans say the president is honest and trustworthy -- essentially tied with his lowest reading for this question, 33%, in 2016 and 2017.
Trump Seen Marginally as Decisive Leader, but Not Honest

Only thirteen percent of Americans said they would consider President Trump to be honest and trustworthy, according to a new Survey Monkey tracking poll.

Trump's honesty and trustworthiness score is down 3 points from when Survey Monkey started conducting the tracking polls in February of 2017.

Trump's honesty and trustworthiness scores are lowest in the poll, which also measures the president's ability to get things done, whether he is tough enough for the job and if he stands up for his beliefs.

Thirty-five percent of Americans polled said they believed Trump has the ability to get things done, while 33 percent of those polled said he was tough enough for the job.

Forty-one percent of those surveyed said Trump stands up for what he believes in.
Poll: Just 13 percent of Americans consider Trump honest and trustworthy

So no, you got that one really wrong.

It is the media who are deliberately creating a coronavirus hysteria, and that in turn is affecting Wall Street.

Odd isn't it, that when we were threatened by an even more dangerous virus outbreak, President Obama was believed and his actions reassured Americans. I suppose it's because he didn't lie and downplay the threat, as Trump has done.

And it now clear that the mortality rate of coronavirus is about the same as that of influenza.

Well, let's take a look at that belief...

The death rate from seasonal flu is typically around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times.

The death rate for COVID-19 appears to be higher than that of the flu.

In the study published Feb. 18 in the China CDC Weekly, researchers found a death rate from COVID-19 to be around 2.3% in mainland China. Another study of about 1,100 hospitalized patients in China, published Feb. 28 in the New England Journal of Medicine, found that the overall death rate was slightly lower, around 1.4%.
How does the new coronavirus compare with the flu? | Live Science


No, you got that wrong, too.



 
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You are attacking Trump just because that is what Leftists do. Even when Trump did everything right you attacked him. Which means the Left has ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIBILITY.And you are misleading people by saying that the public no longer believes him.

It is the media who are deliberately creating a coronavirus hysteria, and that in turn is affecting Wall Street. When all the media make 90% or more of their new about coronavirus, it is bound to create panic and hysteria. If they would stop their fear-mongering, things would get back to normal. And it now clear that the mortality rate of coronavirus is about the same as that of influenza.
You can say whatever you want; but saying it doesn't make it true. I don't think we can blame the media for the problems getting test kits out. I don't think we can blame Hillary for it either. I also doubt that many people are going to believe it when Trump tried to blame Obama for that.

I also doubt many people will find Trump's statement that anyone who wants a test kit can have one. So if they did believe it and try to go get tested and get told there is a shortage, should they believe Hillary and Obama interfered somehow? That the media messed things up?

What Trump messed up from the beginning was not being honest about it, trying to limit political damage to himself by spinning things in too positive a light.


Now we have a Congressman and a Senator in quarantine. Should we blame the media for that too? The simple fact is they wouldn't have been exposed to the virus if they hadn't attended the CPAC conference. Some optimism is simply misguided and even stupid.

Does the public believe Trump? You know they don't. Even his supporters don't believe him half the time. The only thing that would satisfy Trump would be if the press sucked up to him the way his flunkies do and printed only the most flattering stories about him.

He's the President. He's in charge. Man up and take some responsibility. It reminds me of what Truman said. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I've never seen a President who wants to take responsibility when things go right but none when they go wrong.

Sensible people don't try to blame others for everything. Christians don't. Trump doesn't admit he makes mistakes. He blames other people. Everybody else is always wrong -- if it not the Democrats, it's the press or the deep state or the courts or Mexico. To believe him, you got to believe everyone else is a liar. He alone is perfect. You got to be kidding me.

The chickens may be coming to roost. Anyone who heard him say anyone who wanted a test kit could have one and who then found out it wasn't true and got sent home untested may have believed him when they heard it; but they surely know he lied when they went home untested.

People who heard him taking credit for the gains of Wall Street and then decided to invest may also despise him when he takes no responsibility for when Wall Street goes down.

Is the press doing too much coronavirus news? I think so. Maybe they should be reporting more on other things like the Chinese ship that fired a laser weapon at an American spy-plane in international water. Did Trump do anything? His "peace deals" in Afghanistan and Israel might also make informative reading. They promise as little success as how he handled Iran and North Korea.

Oh yes, North Korea just fired more missiles in the direction of Japan. Americans are so fixated on coronavirus, that may not matter much to them. I feel confident Trump is happy that's not bigger news since it would remind everyone of his dismal failure with North Korea -- after touting his meeting with North Korean leaders with great fanfare and great photos. Would Americans like to learn about how Japan feels abandoned by the US? Trump doesn't care about Japan, and they know it.

Alliances with other countries are weakening. American influence is on the wane with Russia and China's increasing. Russia nearly unilaterally now dictates what happens in Syria.
 
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Well, let's take a look...

The number almost hits you in the face: Less than one in three people in the new CNN-SSRS poll believe that President Donald Trump is honest and trustworthy.
Two-thirds of the country don't think you can trust this president! They don't think he is honest! That's a remarkable finding.
It's also virtually the exact same way that voters judged Trump on the question of being honest and trustworthy on November 8, 2016 -- the day he was elected president.
People don't think Donald Trump is honest or trustworthy. And they never really have. - CNNPolitics

The 25 most common words Americans used to describe Trump
3. Liar
The 25 words Americans now use to describe Trump

Honesty, which has largely been considered a challenge for Trump since his 2016 campaign, continues to be among his weakest personal characteristics. Currently, 34% of Americans say the president is honest and trustworthy -- essentially tied with his lowest reading for this question, 33%, in 2016 and 2017.
Trump Seen Marginally as Decisive Leader, but Not Honest

Only thirteen percent of Americans said they would consider President Trump to be honest and trustworthy, according to a new Survey Monkey tracking poll.

Trump's honesty and trustworthiness score is down 3 points from when Survey Monkey started conducting the tracking polls in February of 2017.

Trump's honesty and trustworthiness scores are lowest in the poll, which also measures the president's ability to get things done, whether he is tough enough for the job and if he stands up for his beliefs.
Does it matter to Trump if people think he's a liar? I'd say it may matter a little more than it matters to Putin if most Russians think he's honest or to Kim Jong-un if most North Koreans believe him.

The point may not be if people believe you. It may be if they'll be content to pretend nothing's wrong, remaining silent when they know you're wrong. Most people in North Korea know Kim lies; but they also know it wouldn't do any good to say so, and they could get into trouble if they dare say anything. We haven't reached that point yet here in the US; but you can see how Trump attacks anyone who dares oppose him. I think over half the Republicans in the Senate know he's a liar and hate him; but they're afraid of opposing him, afraid of Trump supporters in their states if Trump would attack them. They'll go along with him no matter what he says or does. He has effectively silenced them. That was his goal, too; and it's his goal when he goes after the press. He wants a press like Iran's, China's or Russia's. He wants a judiciary that caters to him too.
 
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You can say whatever you want; but saying it doesn't make it true.
And you post something from the Washington Post which is being sued by Trump for BLATANTLY LYING about him (just like the New York Times). No credibility.

Let's face it. The media loves to create false panic and spread FAKE NEWS, and even Stephen King -- a Leftist and Trump-hater -- is fed up with the media and their fear-mongering.
 

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You had to know the "fake news" thing was coming. It's just a lazy way of dismissing inconvenient information.
 
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And you post something from the Washington Post which is being sued by Trump for BLATANTLY LYING about him (just like the New York Times). No credibility.
For opinion pieces? It's a fund raising gimmick. Go ahead, send him money.

The burden of proof is on him. He stands next to no chance of winning. Another reason for it is to try to intimidate the press. He won't scare those two organizations, but he might scare littler guys.

Do you know what percentage of deregulatory lawsuits his administration has lost when it went to court? Do you know his track record at losing other lawsuits? So now it's his campaign that thinks suing newspapers is smart.

He often tries to use lawyers to intimidate others. He does scare some people; but when the other parties fight him, he often loses. Oh, and maybe you don't hear about those on Fox News. Did they cover his loss over his charity? His bogus university? He's also settled suits as quietly as possible. You may want to read up on his various libel lawsuits. It makes for amusing reading.

Donald J. Trump Is A Libel Bully But Also A Libel Loser

Let's face it. The media loves to create false panic and spread FAKE NEWS, and even Stephen King -- a Leftist and Trump-hater -- is fed up with the media and their fear-mongering.
It's what the press does. If there's one rape in a city of millions of people, they report the bad news. They don't tell you about the millions of women who weren't raped. If they get you worried about something, they hope you will tune in tomorrow to see what they have to say. There's nothing new about this. Presidents however can influence what the media report. Trump influences what gets covered a lot by his tweets. The media often seem too lazy to investigate more meaningful stories and devote so much time to his tweets. You can be sure too that if he tweets something silly, they'll say so. Hey, and it's cheaper than doing better investigative reporting.

Ha, and the right wing media do it too. They play Trump supporters like fiddles. Everything gets twisted into a threat to Trump. Do you get most of your news from talk radio or sites on the internet? The talk radio shows seem more extreme to me; some "traditionally conservative" sites still do a lot of attacking on liberals, but they also do some unflattering stories about Trump. Yes, I check out Drudge daily and often the Washington Free Beacon and Breitbart just to see what they find interesting. The Free Beacon is especially interesting since they started the "investigation" by Fusion GPS into Trump that resulted in the "Steele Dossier." They halted that when he won the nomination, and then it made the news -- if my memory serves me right, Senator McCain got a copy and turned it over to the FBI for them to look into; and Senator Graham (now a beaten down lapdog of the President) admitted advising McCain to do it.

Story here: Lindsey Graham encouraged McCain to turn Trump-Russia dossier over to FBI - CNNPolitics

Former McCain aide David Kramer approached the Arizona senator after the 2016 elections with former British spy Christopher Steele's dossier of Trump-Russia connections, and then McCain said he delivered the documents to the FBI, saying that was the extent of his involvement.

In November 2016, a former British ambassador to Russia who knew about what Steele had researched met McCain, his staffer Christopher Brose and Kramer, a former State Department official who worked alongside McCain, in Halifax.
At McCain's request, Kramer followed up with Steele, then received copies of the dossier from an owner of Fusion GPS.

Kramer then shared the dossier with McCain and the Senate staffer on November 30, 2016, and asked McCain to pass it to the FBI and CIA.

Speaking of the dangers of libel lawsuits, some of that information was made public when it became evidence in a libel lawsuit.

Story here: https://www.redstate.com/slee/2019/...er-journos-shocked-actually-published-reason/

I'd say the Democrats and mainstream media had very little to do with it. The "conservative" Free Beacon started it, and "conservative" Republicans were concerned and thought maybe the FBI should look into it.
 
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You had to know the "fake news" thing was coming. It's just a lazy way of dismissing inconvenient information.
They can say that to anything. . . . It's starting to wear thin. If a newspaper prints too many lies, people will catch on and stop buying it. Thus they often print retractions when they goof and realize it. They'd lose credibility and circulation if they didn't.

I think most news organizations are more careful today than when Trump took office. If they make a mistake, they know Trump will blast away at them and it will damage their reputation.
 
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They can say that to anything. . . . It's starting to wear thin. If a newspaper prints too many lies, people will catch on and stop buying it. Thus they often print retractions when they goof and realize it. They'd lose credibility and circulation if they didn't.

I think most news organizations are more careful today than when Trump took office. If they make a mistake, they know Trump will blast away at them and it will damage their reputation.
I agree. One good way to tell if "fake news" is being used as a lazy coping mechanism is to ask them to specify what's "fake". When they just ignore you, you have your answer.
 

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Sensible people don't try to blame others for everything.

It's always been Trump's M.O. If something goes wrong, he blames anyone but himself. He has never taken responsibility for anything in his life, if it did work out well.

It's always been someone else's fault, never his.

How Narcissists Blame and Accuse Others for Their Own Shortcomings
People with strong narcissistic tendencies and other dark personality traits tend to blame others for their own bad behavior. If they are lying, then they will accuse others of lying. If they are cruel, they will say that others are cruel. If they are stealing and scamming, then they will accuse others of stealing and scamming. They never take responsibility, and it’s always someone else’s fault.


Besides ascribing their undesirable character traits to others, they will attribute the good characteristics of others to themselves. For example, if they see someone being nice, they will say, “No, no, this person is not nice—I am nice!” If somebody is successful and happy, the narcissist will say, “That person is such a loser and a fake—but I, I am really successful and authentic!”
How Narcissists Blame and Accuse Others for Their Own Shortcomings
 
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I'd say the Democrats and mainstream media had very little to do with it. The "conservative" Free Beacon started it, and "conservative" Republicans were concerned and thought maybe the FBI should look into it.

GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham said Monday that he told the late Sen. John McCain to turn over the dossier of Trump-Russia allegations to the FBI, pushing back against President Donald Trump's assertions that the Arizona Republican helped fan the flames of the Russia investigation.
Lindsey Graham encouraged McCain to turn Trump-Russia dossier over to FBI - CNNPolitics

Wait... weren't the republicans saying that Hillary Clinton and the democrats did it?

Do you have to be a compulsive liar to be in the republican party now?
 
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And you post something from the Washington Post which is being sued by Trump for BLATANTLY LYING about him (just like the New York Times). No credibility.

He sued Forbes for showing that he was nowhere as rich as he pretended to be. He sues a lot, and loses a lot. And gets sued and has to pay out a lot.

Would you like some details?
 
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I agree. One good way to tell if "fake news" is being used as a lazy coping mechanism is to ask them to specify what's "fake". When they just ignore you, you have your answer.
I think it may also be a coping mechanism they use to justify their own attitudes.