Confirming of the Covenant - Daniel 9:27

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Some like to dwell on the Daniel 9:27 verse which reveals a confirming of a covenant with a false one ending the daily sacrifice of the Jews in Jerusalem, and instead placing an abomination that makes desolate. But some of them even still refuse to address the Daniel 11 Scripture about the "vile person" that does those very events of Daniel 9:27.

Here I will show what the confirming of that covenant in Daniel 9:27 is actually about.

Dan 11:20-38
20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.
21 And in his estate shall stand up
a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

After the raiser of taxes is destroyed, then a "vile person" shall come up in his place to obtain the kingdom using peace (in Jerusalem). He won't do it with an army, but by "flatteries".

22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

There's that reference to a symbolic "flood" again. That was mentioned about the end per the Daniel 9:26 that the end would be with a flood (spiritual flood, not literal - see Rev.12:13-17 about the serpent casting out of his mouth waters 'as a flood' after the symbolic woman, which is about words that causes spiritual deception).

23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

That "league" is about an agreement made with the "vile person" supported by that "small people" in Jerusalem, which means a small group of Jewish leaders in Jerusalem.

24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.
25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.
26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.
27 And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.


Certain political moves between that "vile person" king and others must then take place once he comes to power peaceably.

28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.

That "vile person" who makes the "league" will then return to Jerusalem and be against the "holy covenant". What holy covenant? The old covenant worship having been re-established by that "league" of Dan.11:23 is what that reveals.

Do I mean the old covenant worship of Israel, yet this is to happen in the last days at the end of this world? YES! This means when the false-Messiah (this "vile person") arrives in Jerusalem, look for the rebuilding of the temple and startup of animal sacrifices again, what was known as the daily sacrifices at the temple.

29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.
30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore
he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

These references reveal that "holy covenant" will be re-established by the Antichrist at the end of this world, in Jerusalem. Today's Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem already have the materials ready to build the third temple in Jerusalem. So don't be deceived into thinking this was already history by Antiochus IV.


31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

That is about the "abomination of desolation" that Jesus quoted in His signs for the end, per Matthew 24 and Mark 13. That squarely places this prophecy for the END.


32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
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I still think the one who makes a covenant in the 70th Week has to be the Roman leadership. They are unconsciously fulfilling God's prophecies by having Christ killed.

It was accomplished in the middle of the Week, nullifying offerings Jews made under the Law. The 70 Weeks prophecy was fulfilled in 69.5 Weeks, followed by the Roman destruction of the Temple in that very generation. That is why Jesus said, "all these things will take place in this generation" (paraphrased).

The "vile character" in Dan 11 is, I think, Antiochus 4. And his Abomination of Desolation is different from the one that is mentioned in Dan 9. Antiochus murdered lots of faithful Jews, and desecrated the Temple. The Roman leadership also murdered lots of Jews, largely unfaithful ones, and then destroyed the Temple.

The Romans were desolaters not because they desecrated the Temple in the same way Antiochus did, but because they destroyed it utterly and dispossessed it in the name of their pagan gods. That's why they were "abominable desolaters."

But you're entitled to your views...
 

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Here I will show what the confirming of that covenant in Daniel 9:27 is actually about.
What you have posted does not refer to the 7 year treaty at all.
The Holy Covenant, referred to in Daniel 11:30 & 32, is the New Covenant that the Lord will make with His faithful Christian peoples as described in Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:8-10, implemented and fulfilled, when they are settled into all of the holy Land. As John sees in Rev 7:9.

The holy people of God, now the faithful Christian peoples, who will be living in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land, Isaiah 62:1-12, they do get taken over by the leader of the One World Govt; the Anti-Christ, as described in Zechariah 14:1-2, Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-8
This will happen at the midpoint of the last 7 years before Jesus Returns and it is because they failed to trust solely on the Lord for their protection.

Daniel 9:27 and Isaiah 28:14-15 tell of a treaty, a peace treaty for a seven year period, made between ‘many’ of the citizens of Beulah and the leader of the OWG, that God calls; a treaty with death.

We see in Daniel 11:32, how the Christians are divided into 2 groups, those who agreed to this seven year peace treaty with the AC, and those who refused to violate their covenant with God. This conquest and division of the Lord’s people, at the mid point of the seven years, is seen in Zechariah 14:1-2 and Revelation 13:5-7
But in Revelation 12:6-17, those two groups of Christians are clearly described; the faithful ones are taken to a place of safety during the 3 1/2 years, [or 42 months or 1260 days] and the other group remain, as per Revelation 12:17.
They will face persecution and many will be killed ,but provided they kept strong in their faith, they will be resurrected when Jesus Returns; Revelation 20:4

Then Jesus Returns, destroys the Anti-Christ's army and chains him up. Jesus sends out His angels to gather His people from their place of safety and all who have refused the mark of the beast, Matthew 24:31, to where He is; that is - in Jerusalem, from where He will rule the world for the next 1000 years.
 

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Do I mean the old covenant worship of Israel, yet this is to happen in the last days at the end of this world? YES! This means when the false-Messiah (this "vile person") arrives in Jerusalem, look for the rebuilding of the temple and startup of animal sacrifices again, what was known as the daily sacrifices at the temple.
I agree (except for the Daniel 11 vile person connection).

The Antichrist, as the thought-to-be messiah by the Jews, following Gog/Magog, will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant, which established the animal sacrifices, for 7 years. The 7 years is a cycle that Moses wrote as a requirement of all future leaders of Israel to do as long as they were in the land.

The confirmation will be a world-wide speech by the Antichrist from the temple mount that God gave the land of Israel as theirs forever. The day that the Antichrist gives that speech, the 7 years begin.

It will be very dramatic in the wake of Gog/Magog, which will remove the Muslim presence from the temple mount, and provide for an opportunity for the Jews to build a temple on the temple mount again.

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What you have posted does not refer to the 7 year treaty at all.
The Holy Covenant, referred to in Daniel 11:30 & 32, is the New Covenant that the Lord will make with His faithful Christian peoples as described in Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:8-10, implemented and fulfilled, when they are settled into all of the holy Land. As John sees in Rev 7:9.

The holy people of God, now the faithful Christian peoples, who will be living in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land, Isaiah 62:1-12, they do get taken over by the leader of the One World Govt; the Anti-Christ, as described in Zechariah 14:1-2, Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-8
This will happen at the midpoint of the last 7 years before Jesus Returns and it is because they failed to trust solely on the Lord for their protection.

Daniel 9:27 and Isaiah 28:14-15 tell of a treaty, a peace treaty for a seven year period, made between ‘many’ of the citizens of Beulah and the leader of the OWG, that God calls; a treaty with death.

We see in Daniel 11:32, how the Christians are divided into 2 groups, those who agreed to this seven year peace treaty with the AC, and those who refused to violate their covenant with God. This conquest and division of the Lord’s people, at the mid point of the seven years, is seen in Zechariah 14:1-2 and Revelation 13:5-7
But in Revelation 12:6-17, those two groups of Christians are clearly described; the faithful ones are taken to a place of safety during the 3 1/2 years, [or 42 months or 1260 days] and the other group remain, as per Revelation 12:17.
They will face persecution and many will be killed ,but provided they kept strong in their faith, they will be resurrected when Jesus Returns; Revelation 20:4

Then Jesus Returns, destroys the Anti-Christ's army and chains him up. Jesus sends out His angels to gather His people from their place of safety and all who have refused the mark of the beast, Matthew 24:31, to where He is; that is - in Jerusalem, from where He will rule the world for the next 1000 years.
Christians are not required to build a temple on the temple mount. It will be Jews, not Christians, who will build the temple.
 

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I still think the one who makes a covenant in the 70th Week has to be the Roman leadership. They are unconsciously fulfilling God's prophecies by having Christ killed.
The person, who confirms the covenant for 7 years, has a connection to the Roman leadership. Somewhere, In his bloodline, he will be descended from the Julio-Claudians. But he will be a Jew as well.

the Antichrist:
The common name for the end times person of evil. He begins as the little horn person > then becomes the prince who shall come > then becomes the Antichrist > then becomes the revealed man of sin > then becomes the beast-king.

Is that person "little" as in being of a short physical height ? Maybe. I am keeping an eye on 5'7" Zelenskyi of Ukraine, a Jew, who would be motivated to intervene to try and discourage the Gog/Magog, Russian and Muslim alliance, attack on Israel.

We will see. It would be big if Zelensky became head of a panel of ten EU leaders.
 
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Christians are not required to build a temple on the temple mount. It will be Jews, not Christians, who will build the temple.
Isaiah 56:6-7 Who are these people and what is it they worship God in?
We will see. It would be big if Zelensky became head of a panel of ten EU leaders.
Not likely and certainly not Biblical.
Z, is more related to Slavic bloodlines.
 

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Isaiah 56:6-7 Who are these people and what is it they worship God in?
Gentiles who live among the Jews in Israel who believe in God, adopting many of the ways of Judaism, including keeping the sabbath. The Jews (Judaism) nowadays calls such persons Noahides, i.e. righteous gentiles. But Christians are not considered Noahides by Jews, the creators of the term, because we believe Jesus is God, and in the Trinity.

Those Gentiles worshiped in the temple complex of Jesus's time, in what is called the outer court.
 

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Then Jesus Returns, destroys the Anti-Christ's army and chains him up. Jesus sends out His angels to gather His people from their place of safety and all who have refused the mark of the beast, Matthew 24:31, to where He is; that is - in Jerusalem, from where He will rule the world for the next 1000 years.
Jesus will cast the beast-king (the Antichrist person) into the lake of fire in Revelation 19:20. Differently, it is Satan that is chained in Revelation 20:1-3 and cast into the bottomless pit.
 

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The person, who confirms the covenant for 7 years, has a connection to the Roman leadership. Somewhere, In his bloodline, he will be descended from the Julio-Claudians. But he will be a Jew as well.
You're talking about the Antichrist. I am not. The Roman leadership in Jesus' time confirmed God's covenant to provide an atonement for Israel by putting Christ to death. They took away animal sacrifice by crucifying Christ and then later destroying the Temple where offerings were made.
the Antichrist:
The common name for the end times person of evil. He begins as the little horn person > then becomes the prince who shall come > then becomes the Antichrist > then becomes the revealed man of sin > then becomes the beast-king.

Is that person "little" as in being of a short physical height ? Maybe. I am keeping an eye on 5'7" Zelenskyi of Ukraine, a Jew, who would be motivated to intervene to try and discourage the Gog/Magog, Russian and Muslim alliance, attack on Israel.

We will see. It would be big if Zelensky became head of a panel of ten EU leaders.
The "little" Horn suggests to me that the prophecy in Dan 7 is talking either about an individual, as opposed to a kingdom. or it is talking about a little country out of which he originates. I tend to think it is talking about an individual who commands an empire.

I don't believe it has anything to do with his physical stature--he is just being distinguished from his empire as an individual, in my thinking. But I'm open...
 

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I don't believe it has anything to do with his physical stature--he is just being distinguished from his empire as an individual, in my thinking. But I'm open...
I am not saying for certain that "little" in the little horn term is certain as referring to the physical height of the person. Only the possibility.

As to the possibility to Zelensky being that person, it is too early to tell for certain. I am just keeping an eye on him.

I think back at Napoleon's time, some people thought Napoleon was the Antichrist person because of his short stature.
 

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You're talking about the Antichrist. I am not. The Roman leadership in Jesus' time confirmed God's covenant to provide an atonement for Israel by putting Christ to death. They took away animal sacrifice by crucifying Christ and then later destroying the Temple where offerings were made.
The "new covenant" in Christ, to atone for sins, is not mentioned in Daniel 9. If the term "new covenant" appeared in the text, we could argue to the Jews, asking them what the new covenant is ?

So the Roman leadership did not confirm the new covenant. The Roman leadership did, however, in 70 AD, did full the portion of Daniel 9:26 of destroying the temple and city. Which the prince who shall come will emerge from the Roman Empire.

Now that we are in the end times, the Roman Empire is manifested by the treaty of Rome in creating the basis for the EU. The prince who shall come will be associated with the EU.

Ukraine (led by Zelensky) is on the verge of becoming a full EU membership country.

Do we have someone else on the scene, which a savior song like this has been written and sung ?

 

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The "new covenant" in Christ, to atone for sins, is not mentioned in Daniel 9. If the term "new covenant" appeared in the text, we could argue to the Jews, asking them what the new covenant is ?

So the Roman leadership did not confirm the new covenant. The Roman leadership did, however, in 70 AD, did full the portion of Daniel 9:26 of destroying the temple and city. Which the prince who shall come will emerge from the Roman Empire.

Now that we are in the end times, the Roman Empire is manifested by the treaty of Rome in creating the basis for the EU. The prince who shall come will be associated with the EU.

Ukraine (led by Zelensky) is on the verge of becoming a full EU membership country.

Do we have someone else on the scene, which a savior song like this has been written and sung ?

Since the Covenant was confirmed by "He" (Daniel 9:27), and since "He" resolves Scripturally, historically, and grammatically back to "Messiah the Prince" (Daniel 9:25), and since the only Covenant that Messiah the Prince confirmed was His New Covenant (Matthew 26:28),
then the New Covenant is indeed in Daniel 9.

The "prince who shall come" came 2,000 years ago.

Messiah the Prince.

The only Individual identified as a prince in Daniel 9.

Messianic Jews know what the New Covenant is, and know that they experience it.

Go talk to them, and try to persuade them otherwise.

Let us know what they say. :laughing:
 
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Jesus was not of the Romans, and therefore is not the prince who shall come.
The Romans were the people of Messiah the Prince whom He used to wreak judgment and destruction upon Israel.

Messiah the Prince was not of the Romans.

But the Romans were of Messiah the Prince ("the people of the prince") to accomplish His purposes.

Scripturally, historically, and grammatically.
 
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Some like to dwell on the Daniel 9:27 verse which reveals a confirming of a covenant with a false one ending the daily sacrifice of the Jews in Jerusalem, and instead placing an abomination that makes desolate. But some of them even still refuse to address the Daniel 11 Scripture about the "vile person" that does those very events of Daniel 9:27.

Here I will show what the confirming of that covenant in Daniel 9:27 is actually about.

Dan 11:20-38
20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.
21 And in his estate shall stand up
a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

After the raiser of taxes is destroyed, then a "vile person" shall come up in his place to obtain the kingdom using peace (in Jerusalem). He won't do it with an army, but by "flatteries".

22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

There's that reference to a symbolic "flood" again. That was mentioned about the end per the Daniel 9:26 that the end would be with a flood (spiritual flood, not literal - see Rev.12:13-17 about the serpent casting out of his mouth waters 'as a flood' after the symbolic woman, which is about words that causes spiritual deception).

23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

That "league" is about an agreement made with the "vile person" supported by that "small people" in Jerusalem, which means a small group of Jewish leaders in Jerusalem.

24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.
25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.
26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.
27 And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.


Certain political moves between that "vile person" king and others must then take place once he comes to power peaceably.

28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.

That "vile person" who makes the "league" will then return to Jerusalem and be against the "holy covenant". What holy covenant? The old covenant worship having been re-established by that "league" of Dan.11:23 is what that reveals.

Do I mean the old covenant worship of Israel, yet this is to happen in the last days at the end of this world? YES! This means when the false-Messiah (this "vile person") arrives in Jerusalem, look for the rebuilding of the temple and startup of animal sacrifices again, what was known as the daily sacrifices at the temple.

29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.
30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore
he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

These references reveal that "holy covenant" will be re-established by the Antichrist at the end of this world, in Jerusalem. Today's Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem already have the materials ready to build the third temple in Jerusalem. So don't be deceived into thinking this was already history by Antiochus IV.
Just unbelievable. There would be nothing holy about a re-established old covenant. In no way, shape or form would a supposedly re-established old covenant be holy. Such a future covenant would never be called "the holy covenant". It would be a mockery of the new covenant established by the blood of Christ, which replaced the old covenant long ago.
 
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What you have posted does not refer to the 7 year treaty at all.
The Holy Covenant, referred to in Daniel 11:30 & 32, is the New Covenant that the Lord will make with His faithful Christian peoples as described in Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:8-10, implemented and fulfilled, when they are settled into all of the holy Land. As John sees in Rev 7:9.
The new covenant was established by the blood of Christ long ago already.

Matthew 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
 
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The Romans were the people of Messiah the Prince whom He used to wreak judgment and destruction up Israel.

Messiah the Prince was not of the Romans.

But the Romans were of Messiah the Prince ("the people of the prince") to accomplish His purposes.

Scripturally, historically, and grammatically.
I agree. In case anyone thinks that God doesn't ever use the wicked for His purposes, they should read this:

Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

God put it in the hearts of the Roman armies to fulfll His will to take out His wrath on the Jews who rejected His Son. So, in that sense, they were the people of the Messiah Prince. So, this is a perfectly viable interpretation of Daniel 9:26.

The only other interpretation that I think could be viable is that the people of the prince could be referring to the Jews. Jesus was a Jew. The King of the Jews. In a sense, the Jews destroyed the city and the sanctuary by rejecting Christ. They brought it on themselves.
 
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The "new covenant" in Christ, to atone for sins, is not mentioned in Daniel 9. If the term "new covenant" appeared in the text, we could argue to the Jews, asking them what the new covenant is ?
Did I say it was called the "New Covenant?" What I said is that the Romans unconsciously confirmed God's covenant *with Abraham* to give him both a nation and a multitude of nations, all defined by their faith. The Romans confirmed God's promises by doing, with malicious motive, what God intended for our Salvation. This is what preserved and fulfilled God's promise to Abraham. It was indeed the New Covenant.
So the Roman leadership did not confirm the new covenant. The Roman leadership did, however, in 70 AD, did full the portion of Daniel 9:26 of destroying the temple and city. Which the prince who shall come will emerge from the Roman Empire.
It was the people of the prince to come, who would be the Roman leadership. The "people" of the Roman leader were an army, as Jesus explained in Luke 21. The prince, or the Roman general, came, and it was his army that destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple. There is no future "prince" that would have anything to do with this, because it already took place.
Now that we are in the end times, the Roman Empire is manifested by the treaty of Rome in creating the basis for the EU. The prince who shall come will be associated with the EU.
We do agree that the Antichrist will arise out of the European Community. Not the prince mentioned in Dan 9, but rather, the Little Horn mentioned in Dan 7. My opinion.
Ukraine (led by Zelensky) is on the verge of becoming a full EU membership country.

Do we have someone else on the scene, which a savior song like this has been written and sung ?

Putin may be a foreshadowing of "Gog," who may also become the Antichrist. I don't know, but Russia is a part of the European Community, and representative of the Eastern block of the old Roman Empire.

There has been underway a big push back towards the Right and Nationalism. When Europe coalesces and stops catering to and capitulating to minorities and other countries that hate Europe, the Antichrist Empire may begin to solidify.

Trump is pursuing nationalism in America. Putin is pursuing nationalism in Eastern Europe. And the European States are all moving towards the Political Right. This may be setting the stage for a reemergence of a Hitler-kind of European-wide Nationalism?

I'm not at all saying that Nationalism is wrong, or that Europe should not start defending itself against Asian opposition. I'm just saying that this natural push towards self-preservation and cultural unity, of the Roman type, will end up in Antichrist's hands, in my opinion.
 

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I agree. In case anyone thinks that God doesn't ever use the wicked for His purposes, they should read this:

Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

God put it in the hearts of the Roman armies to fulfll His will to take out His wrath on the Jews who rejected His Son. So, in that sense, they were the people of the Messiah Prince. So, this is a perfectly viable interpretation of Daniel 9:26.

The only other interpretation that I think could be viable is that the people of the prince could be referring to the Jews. Jesus was a Jew. The King of the Jews. In a sense, the Jews destroyed the city and the sanctuary by rejecting Christ. They brought it on themselves.
Irrefutably true. And the Jews themselves do acknowledge their role as accomplices in the judgment and destruction unleashed upon them by Messiah the Prince. From the Jewish Virtual LIbrary:

"The highly embittered refugees who succeeded in escaping the Galilean massacres fled to the last major Jewish stronghold—Jerusalem. There, they killed anyone in the Jewish leadership who was not as radical as they. Thus, all the more moderate Jewish leaders who headed the Jewish government at the revolt's beginning in 66 were dead by 68—and not one died at the hands of a Roman. All were killed by fellow Jews."

"While the Romans would have won the war in any case, the Jewish civil war both hastened their victory and immensely increased the casualties. One horrendous example: In expectation of a Roman siege, Jerusalem's Jews had stockpiled a supply of dry food that could have fed the city for many years. But one of the warring Zealot factions burned the entire supply, apparently hoping that destroying this "security blanket" would compel everyone to participate in the revolt. The starvation resulting from this mad act caused suffering as great as any the Romans inflicted."

The Romans themselves acknowledged God's Divine Intervention in accomplishing His Purposes. As the Roman commander Titus observed, "We have certainly had God for our assistant in this war, and it was no other than God who ejected the Jews out of these fortifications; for what could the hands of men or any machines do towards overthrowing these towers?" (Wars of the Jews 6.9.1)

Titus had immeasurably more sense than today's dispensational futurites. :laughing:
 
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