A Third Jewish Temple is Required

[covenantee]

God did not talk about "Judaean Christians" or "Jews" fleeing from Judea in the Middle East.

The New Testament congregation of Israel under CHrist spiritually represents Judea and Christians are spiritual Jews. They are the believers in Judaea, the believers who can "see" the abomination of desolation standing in the Holy Place, (ie. Church on this side of the Cross), are told then to flee Judaea.

Sounds like you don't want to hear the truth, you want to hear traditional things about Israel, Jersualem, and Jews in literal Judea. You will not like what I say about Judaea, you want to hear the fables about the Jewish nation in 70AD. That is the whole point of my speaking here on this subject. Judgment upon God's rebellious house that only wants to hear what it wants to hear. It is not ablwsy the Preterists or the Dispensationalists, but today it is those of the traditional churches as well! They despise the Word that see the Church as Judea (spiritual discerned) becasue they trust is in the perversion of it. Write that down!

Isaiah 30:8-13

• "Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
• That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
• Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
• Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.
• Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon:
• Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant[/i]."

Oh yes, this is the reason for the fall of the Church. Not simple confusion, but Deception, strong delusion, because the people would not receive the love of truth, but had pleasure (liked, delighted in) their own unrighteous doings. Selah!

You believe (correct me if I'm wrong):
1. Christ's literal physical first coming
2. Christ's literal physical ministry
3. Christ's literal physical death
4. Christ's literal physical resurrection
5. Christ's literal physical ascension

But you deny:
Christ's literal physical judgment and punishment upon Jerusalem and Israel in 70 AD.

Explain.

 

[Phoneman777]

That is what I posted.

You agree the silver chest/arms and the lopsided bear are MP?

 

[Timtofly]

You agree the silver chest/arms and the lopsided bear are MP?

That is what I posted.

 

[Davy]

Brethren in Christ...

It's very important to understand what the "abomination of desolation" event per the Book of Daniel is about. It is NOT about an invasion of Jerusalem by armies. It is about the placing of an IDOL abomination inside the Jew's temple in Jerusalem.

The Antichrist/pseudo-Christ is to come at the end for the time of "great tribulation", and will place an IDOL abomination inside the future 3rd Jew's temple in Jerusalem. That is what Lord Jesus was warning His Church about in His Olivet discourse, and He showed it will happen in the days of the FINAL generation that will literally see... His future coming.

The devil and his children do not want you to understand about that "abomination of desolation" event, that it requires for the END a standing Jewish temple in Jerusalem and on-going animal sacrifices, i.e., old covenant style worship. This is why the false crept in unawares of Jude 4, have crept into the Church educational colleges and started up seminary theories like Preterism and Historicism which both treat the "abomination of desolation" event as past history when the Romans in 70 A.D. destroyed Jerusalem and the 2nd temple burned down.

They deny the simple Bible facts though, because Jesus proclaimed the "abomination of desolation" as linked with the days of "great tribulation". And the time of "great tribulation" Jesus showed is about the events at the very end of this world in the generation that will see His future return (Matthew 24:15-31). He revealed the generation of the parable of the fig tree is the final generation on earth that will experience His future return.

Those deceived brethren that keep the false doctrines of Preterism and Historicism alive simply do not stay in the written Scripture on this, and instead are following a 'system' of men designed to move the believer's mind away from the very SIGNS of the end Jesus gave for His in the last generation that will see His coming. The specific event the devil is trying to hide using those deceived, is the fact of Jesus showing about the coming of a pseudo-Christ to Jerusalem at the END of this world during the "great tribulation" that the deceived there will say is The Christ. This will be the "strong delusion" event Apostle Paul warned about in the 2 Thessalonians 2 chapter. That pseudo-Christ, or false-Messiah, will fool the majority of the whole world into accepting him as God.

On the majority of Christian forums today, the preaching of deception to lead away from understanding about the coming pseudo-Christ takes precedence in conversation about the end times. Just about anything else is preached other than the coming of a false-Messiah at Jerusalem for the END, working great signs, wonders, and miracles to deceive, as written in God's Word. It's sad that is done too, because the main warning Christ and His Apostles gave The Church for the end of this world is to not be deceived by that coming false-Christ that is going to play Jesus Christ.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You believe (correct me if I'm wrong):
1. Christ's literal physical first coming
2. Christ's literal physical ministry
3. Christ's literal physical death
4. Christ's literal physical resurrection
5. Christ's literal physical ascension

But you deny:
Christ's literal physical judgment and punishment upon Jerusalem and Israel in 70 AD.

Explain.

How we are to understand any particular passage is not determined by man's rule of discipline in church tradition or dogma, but by carefully examining each verse in context and in conjunction with the whole Bible, to see how God intended the verse to be understood. For example, some theologians have a system where they believe that:

• "if the literal sense, makes sense, seek no other sense."

This hermeneutic or system is as bankrupt and faulty as their logic is, and that is very easily provable. For example, John the Baptist came to make the crooked roads straight. The literal sense of that prophesy made sense, but if the disciples were to follow their system, they would still be waiting for a highway construction worker to come and literally make roads straight. Or when Jesus said destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up. It made perfect sense literally. After all, Jesus was God and had done all sorts of great miraculous things. But the 'fact' is, though the literal sense, made sense, it is not what Christ had in view. Same with the prophecies of woe unto them that give suck, or His warnings not to go back into the house to get a coat, or of the prophesied famines. It all makes sense literally, but is not meant to be taken literally. So to find out what God really had in view, we have to search other verses which shed 'light' on the spirituality of what was prophesied. And that is how we are 'always' to understand scripture. By letting the Bible be its own interpreter of what is literal and what is spiritual, and not the flawed systems and methodologies of men.

 

[3 Resurrections]

God did not talk about "Judaean Christians" or "Jews" fleeing from Judea in the Middle East.

Sure He did. With a specific mention of the most vulnerable being women with child and those who were nursing babies. And a recommendation that they pray that their physical flight out of Judea and Jerusalem would not take place during the winter (when the deluge of the "early rains" season began in Israel). God's wrath was going to come on "THIS people" who were in Judea. This flight from Judea to the mountains was not a generic world-wide flight from false churches being spoken about.

I have heard others such as yourself attempt to make all of this a metaphor for a spiritual flight out of corrupted churches to the Mountain of God, but the conversation turns ludicrous when pressed to explain these terms above which Christ spoke about.

What difference would the chill of winter temperatures make in a "spiritual flight" out of corrupted churches?

What difference would it make for pregnant women or those who were nursing babies in a "spiritual flight" out of corrupted churches?

And a recommended flight to the PLURAL mountains is not a flight to a single Mountain of God.

 

[covenantee]

How we are to understand any particular passage is not determined by man's rule of discipline in church tradition or dogma, but by carefully examining each verse in context and in conjunction with the whole Bible, to see how God intended the verse to be understood. For example, some theologians have a system where they believe that:

• "if the literal sense, makes sense, seek no other sense."

This hermeneutic or system is as bankrupt and faulty as their logic is, and that is very easily provable. For example, John the Baptist came to make the crooked roads straight. The literal sense of that prophesy made sense, but if the disciples were to follow their system, they would still be waiting for a highway construction worker to come and literally make roads straight. Or when Jesus said destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up. It made perfect sense literally. After all, Jesus was God and had done all sorts of great miraculous things. But the 'fact' is, though the literal sense, made sense, it is not what Christ had in view. Same with the prophecies of woe unto them that give suck, or His warnings not to go back into the house to get a coat, or of the prophesied famines. It all makes sense literally, but is not meant to be taken literally. So to find out what God really had in view, we have to search other verses which shed 'light' on the spirituality of what was prophesied. And that is how we are 'always' to understand scripture. By letting the Bible be its own interpreter of what is literal and what is spiritual, and not the flawed systems and methodologies of men.

The judgment and destruction of Jerusalem was both a physical and a spiritual event; to both physically and spiritually destroy all remaining vestiges of the old covenant, and to physically and spiritually coronate the New Covenant in its fullness. This, it accomplished.

This was the united and unanimous view of the historic orthodox Christian Church for over 17 centuries.

I'm confident in the Scriptural and historical accuracy of their recognition and understanding.

Whom do I believe?

1. The united and unanimous historic orthodox Christian Church for over 17 centuries.
2. Deniers.

No hint necessary.

 

[covenantee]

Are we going to go by what "seems" right in our own eyes by reading Josephus?

No mention of Josephus.

160AD Clement of Alexandria (On Daniel 9:24-27 ; The 'Seventy Weeks' of Daniel) "160 AD Clement of Alexandria "Cyrus had, by proclamation, previously enjoined the restoration of the Hebrews. And his promise being accomplished in the time of Darius, the feast of the dedication was held, as also the feast of tabernacles. There were in all, taking in the duration of the captivity down to the restoration of the people, from the birth of Moses, one thousand one hundred and fifty-five years, six months, and ten days; and from the reign of David, according to some, four hundred and fifty-two; more correctly, five hundred and seventy-two years, six months, and ten days. From the captivity at Babylon, which took place in the time of Jeremiah the prophet, was fulfilled what was spoken by Daniel the prophet as follows: "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to seal sins, and to wipe out and make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal the vision and the prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies. Know therefore, and understand, that from the going forth of the word commanding an answer to be given, and Jerusalem to be built, to Christ the Prince, are seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; and the street shall be again built, and the wall; and the times shall be expended. And after the sixty-two weeks the anointing shall be overthrown, and judgment shall not be in him; and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary along with the coming Prince. And they shall be destroyed in a flood, and to the end of the war shall be cut off by: desolations. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week; and in the middle of the week the sacrifice and oblation shall be taken away; and in the holy place shall be the abomination of desolations, and until the consummation of time shall the consummation be assigned for desolation. And in the midst of the week shall he make the incense of sacrifice cease, and of the wing of destruction, even till the consummation, like the destruction of the oblation." That the temple accordingly was built in seven weeks, is evident; for it is written in Esdras. And thus Christ became King of the Jews, reigning in Jerusalem in the fulfilment of the seven weeks. And in the sixty and two weeks the whole of Judaea was quiet, and without wars. And Christ our Lord, "the Holy of Holies," having come and fulfilled the vision and the prophecy, was anointed in His flesh by the Holy Spirit of His Father. In those "sixty and two weeks," as the prophet said, and "in the one week," was He Lord. The half of the week Nero held sway, and in the holy city Jerusalem placed the abomination; and in the half of the week he was taken away, and Otho, and Galba, and Vitellius. And Vespasian rose to the supreme power, and destroyed Jerusalem, and desolated the holy place.

 

[Phoneman777]

That is what I posted.

Great...so you believe the belly & thighs of brass/four winged leopard are Greece......and the legs of iron/beast with iron teeth and brass nails are Rome?

Do you agree that as soon as Babylon fell, MP rose and when MP fell, Greece arose and when Greece (the whole comprised of four parts) fell, Rome arose?

 

[Arthur81]

The belief in a 3rd Temple is not found in any Christian Confession, Creed or Catechism prior to the 20th century, BECAUSE IT IS NOT TAUGHT IN THE BIBLE. This teaching is a Judaizing heresy!

The belief in a Third Temple holds great significance in Jewish eschatology (beliefs about the end times):

Restoration of Divine Presence
The Third Temple is seen as the place where God's divine presence (Shekhinah) will return to dwell among the Jewish people, as it did in the First and Second Temples.

This is tied to the coming of the Messianic age and redemption of Israel prophesied in the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible).

Renewal of Temple Service
The rebuilding of the Temple would allow for the reinstitution of the full Temple service and sacrificial system commanded in the Torah.

This includes the need for a red heifer for the ritual purification of priests and vessels to perform the services properly.

Fulfillment of Prophecy
Many Jewish scholars view the Third Temple as the fulfillment of biblical prophecies about the Temple being rebuilt in the end times, such as those found in Ezekiel 40-48.

Its construction is seen as a prerequisite for the coming of the Messiah according to some interpretations.

National Sovereignty
For some, the Third Temple represents the full restoration of Jewish national sovereignty over the land of Israel and Jerusalem.
Control over the Temple Mount is viewed as key to asserting sovereignty over the biblical heartland.

So in summary, the belief in a Third Temple being rebuilt is deeply rooted in Jewish messianic expectations, the desire to restore the full divine service, the fulfillment of prophecy, and for some - the ultimate assertion of Jewish national rights in the land of Israel.
The preceding comes from an online AI search

"Since the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE by the Romans, some Jews have expressed their desire to build a Third Temple on the Temple Mount. Prayer for this is a formal part of the Jewish tradition of thrice daily Amidah prayer. Although it remains unbuilt, the notion of and desire for a Third Temple is sacred in Judaism.

Following the Second Temple's destruction, 'most rabbis adopted the position that Jewish law prohibits reconstructing the Holy Temple [Third Temple] prior to the age of messianic redemption, or that the law is too ambiguous and that the messiah must come first.'"

Third Temple - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Will God orchestrate the construction of another temple? (This is an EXCELLENT article online.)

Will God orchestrate the construction of another temple?

Some Christians believe that God is going to orchestrate the construction of another temple in Jerusalem But is that really what God is planning to do

www.christianpost.com

 

[Keraz]

Ezekiel's temple
The prophecies of the prophets of Israel can be divided into three sections. They are;

Israel - you are being naughty. Mend your ways

Israel - I know you will not mend your ways so disgrace, dispersion and discipline will be your portion

Israel - God loves you and will restore you for both His love's sake and because of His Promises to the Fathers

Note: This applies to Israel NOT to Judah.


But Ezekiel goes further than this. Ezekiel touches that part of God's heart that is very important. That is, His House and the Testimony it brought Him among the nations. Israel had been exceedingly evil and had behaved worse than the heathen nations around them. Even the heathen never swapped their gods, but Israel has swapped the Living and True God for demon-idols. Israel, as per the threats of the Contract of Sinai, was about to be invaded by Nebuchadnezzar, have their City and Temple destroyed, be slaughtered and be carried off to Babylon to serve foreign kings. One thing remained to be done before Nebuchadnezzar entered Jerusalem and defiled and destroyed it. That was, God was to withdraw from the Temple in which He dwelt. This was for two reasons. God's holiness could not tolerate the heathen entering into the same place as He, and if they did, Nebuchadnezzar would have been slain like Uzzah in 2nd Samuel 6. God needed Nebuchadnezzar for further things concerning His glory, so before the Babylonian army could enter Jerusalem, God withdrew His glory from the Temple - His House. This utterly sad event takes up the first few Chapters.

This is a low point for such a great God. From this moment on, with His House and Testimony gone from earth, God is called, throughout the Book of Daniel, which encompasses the time in Babylon, the "God of heaven", but never the "God of earth". His House and Presence WERE GONE. This solemn matter is dealt with by Ezekiel. Ezekiel is divided roughly into FOUR sections;

The withdrawal of God and His glory from Solomon's Temple - His House; Ezekiel 11:22-23

The accusations against Israel that brought about this tragic move

The Promises of Israel's future restoration

The Promise of a return to a greater glory for the House of God predicted in the latter Chapters


Chapters 37 to 39 give detailed prophecies of Israel's restoration and end with Armageddon at the end of Chapter 39. Then the visions make an abrupt change. They now concern them selves with God's New House. Immediately the Christian will OBJECT. Is not the Church the House of God? And does God live in a House made with hands? The answer is that God's original intention was that man would eat of the Tree of Life and become the HOUSE of God. And since God is a Spirit, He would dwell in the sanctity of the spirit of man. This He finally achieves in the Church. But ... in the process of recovering man, God did TWO things;

He dwelt WITH them to have His presence on earth, and for this a House of a special construction was needed

He caused the Second Person of the God-head to become a Man, and this Man, Jesus, was physical and needed a physical Dwelling


During His first sojourn on earth, this God-Man Jesus had nowhere to dwell (Matt.8:20; Lk.9:28). His rightful place as God would have been the Temple in Jerusalem, but He is driven from there under threat of death by the rulers of Israel. But at the end of the age, this God-Man will become the ordained, accepted and anointed King of the whole earth by military defeat of His enemies. The question is then, "WHERE WILL HE LIVE PHYSICALLY, AND OF WHAT TYPE WILL HIS HOUSE BE?

Ezekiel answers this. The House in which Emmanuel (God with us) will live must fulfill a number of qualifications.

It must be in Jerusalem

It must be a Palace fit for the greatest King ever to live

It must be a House that reflects the accomplishments of this great King

It must be a House that allows the correct service to such a Holy One

It must be a House that everyone of every nation can come up to; to pray, worship and have audience with King Jesus. Zechariah 14:16-21

 

[Timtofly]

Great...so you believe the belly & thighs of brass/four winged leopard are Greece......and the legs of iron/beast with iron teeth and brass nails are Rome?

Do you agree that as soon as Babylon fell, MP rose and when MP fell, Greece arose and when Greece (the whole comprised of four parts) fell, Rome arose?

That part of history was covered in Daniel. So was the ten toes as the 5th kingdom. Daniel wrote what covered history, up until the Reformation, but did not cover the 6th kingdom with the mortal wound, between the Reformation and the Second Coming.

 

[Phoneman777]

That part of history was covered in Daniel. So was the ten toes as the 5th kingdom. Daniel wrote what covered history, up until the Reformation, but did not cover the 6th kingdom with the mortal wound, between the Reformation and the Second Coming.

See, this is where you go off the rails, friend. There is no mention of a "fifth kingdom" - only "divisions" of the fourth into ten separate barbarian tribes - the Ten Horns - which bitterly fought for decades until they voted to appoint the Bishop of Rome - the Little Horn which arose among them - to settle their differences.

Until you recognize this, you'll continue to cling to "gaps" that are not there, friend.