BarneyFife
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Wow! What a swerve! Nice soap box, too. Don't you think some of that sermon should be directed away from the choir? I mean, really, now.
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Thank you . . . I think!
I'm speaking of humanity in general.
I don't care to try to determine Christian doctrine based on how I feel about things, or my own opinions of things. I try as much as I can to learn what the Bible says, and then accept that as reality.
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No, I don’t judge God according to myself. I judge a doctrine/idol of my fathers to be speaking very wrongly ABOUT God.
OR, I bristle against a judgement of men that speaks wrongly of God.
Now that’s being very wise.
And that’s why we aren’t to judge and condemn unbelievers.
Which is what is done by some of the leaven of men when it is taught and swallowed.
God's will for you is your sanctification, which is another way of saying making holy. Jesus is made unto us sanctification, again, another way of saying making holy.
All of us. Not some of us. And as a renewed life. If you believe you cannot walk in the Spirit outside of something being done "to you", then where is the admonition to walk in Spirit?
This is an imperative. Command voice. So, my question is, is this command commanding something you cannot do?
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Lot's of people do all sorts of crazy things for all sorts of reasons.
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BarneyFife
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Nope. That's why I keep His holy Sabbath on the 7th day of the week. (As long as we're talking about using "how" and "why" to get out of the "what" being very insightful
)What could I have said that would give you the impression that I would sit in judgment over God's sense of justice? Especially since I find myself in agreement with Him. You're giving the impression that God might have convicted me that He's the type of god that would torture for zillions of years folks who've only had 1000 years or less to sin and that I might have rejected that conviction. I've had to do my due diligence to rightly divide the "eternal torment" thing and the "God is love" thing and I simply think most Christians have a very unfortunate misunderstanding of what His intentions are toward His created beings.
So again it comes out we have different ideas about God.
Is this one of those verses which you think God put there to trap the hypocrits?
I believe God is telling us to do what He intends for us to do, and what He's made possible for us to do. Not dishonest.
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BarneyFife
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Is it really a zero-sum equation or could there be varying degrees of this understanding? And if so, couldn't it be that some understand it better than others? I mean, if you think there's nothing for us to talk about, why not just say so?
And then the men who repeat it as the word from God, saying God says (thus says that the Lord) unbelievers will be tormented and in torment forever in an eternal life of torment, what crazy thing are they saying and for what sort of reason? They were taught it and they repeat it, saying it is what God has said. And they insist it is the truth and defend a lie…for what crazy reason?
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No…I say such a thing is not true because scripture does not say it and men have spoken wrongly concerning this and I show from scripture that it isn’t true and they have spoken wrongly.
BarneyFife
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I bear some responsibility for that. Howbowchoo?Well, 44 pages in, it's a free for all.
BarneyFife
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Actually, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the King James translators (at least) were biased in favor of it.
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