Christians are not under the New Covenant

[theefaith]

RN

who is saved?

how to get saved?

 

[keithr]

The Jehovah's Witness are not consider to be members of the Christian faith no matter what they call themselves because they deny that the New Covenant is for all people who believe during this age. Also, nowhere does the Bible limit the number of persons (144,000) who can go to heaven as the JW's falsely claim. These are both man-made teachings and have no biblical basis.

I guess you didn't read all of 'Harvest 1874's blog, as it includes:

“The New Covenant will begin to swallow up the old Law Covenant as soon as the Kingdom is established. The Scriptures indicate that the first to receive it will be the Ancient Worthies. Raised from the dead to human perfection, they will form the nucleus of the new arrangement in the earth. (NOT our JW friends who erroneously assume that they will form this nucleus)​

So clearly the author is not a Jehovah's Witness. He claims to be a "Bible Student", so my guess would be that he is a member of the Bible Student movement - see Bible Student movement - Wikipedia.

 

[theefaith]

The kingdom was established 2000 yrs ago!

Christ is King of Glory!

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, (acts 2:17 last days began at Pentecost) that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, (Israel) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Jesus Christ is king!

the new covenant church is the kingdom of God on earth!

 

[keithr]

correct! Now what was #3 called on the table, this is for the grand prize!!!!!:)

"I will redeem you" - the cup of redemption.

Some people may be confused by Jesus’ saying during the Last Supper, “But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom” (Matthew 26:29). To understand what Jesus meant you need to know that the Passover meal includes four cups of wine. This is based on Exodus 6:6-7, which says “Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments: And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians”. The texts in bold become labels to the four cups used in the Passover meal. Jesus instituted the Lord’s Supper with the third of those four cups – the one with the meaning “I will redeem you”. He doesn’t finish the Passover meal, saying he won’t yet drink the fourth cup (“I will take you to me”), effectively saying that he will finish His work when He takes us up to heaven to be with him. In John’s account Jesus confirms this by saying, “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also” (John 14:2-3).

 

[Moriah's Song]

I guess you didn't read all of 'Harvest 1874's blog, as it includes:

“The New Covenant will begin to swallow up the old Law Covenant as soon as the Kingdom is established. The Scriptures indicate that the first to receive it will be the Ancient Worthies. Raised from the dead to human perfection, they will form the nucleus of the new arrangement in the earth. (NOT our JW friends who erroneously assume that they will form this nucleus)
So clearly the author is not a Jehovah's Witness. He claims to be a "Bible Student", so my guess would be that he is a member of the Bible Student movement - see Bible Student movement - Wikipedia.

Essentially the same as the Watchtower; just a "spin-off" of it.

Key words are;

~ Anchient Worthies...
~ Raised from the dead to human perfection...
~ they will form the nucleus of the new arrangement in the earth...
~ JW friends...​

I did a lot of research years ago.

 

[theefaith]

Do I dare say?

what is anchient worthies?

“ancient”

the church is only built by Christ on the apostles Matt 16:18 eph 2:20

ctr is of the tradition of men

 

[Ronald Nolette]

"I will redeem you" - the cup of redemption.

Some people may be confused by Jesus’ saying during the Last Supper, “But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom” (Matthew 26:29). To understand what Jesus meant you need to know that the Passover meal includes four cups of wine. This is based on Exodus 6:6-7, which says “Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments: And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians”. The texts in bold become labels to the four cups used in the Passover meal. Jesus instituted the Lord’s Supper with the third of those four cups – the one with the meaning “I will redeem you”. He doesn’t finish the Passover meal, saying he won’t yet drink the fourth cup (“I will take you to me”), effectively saying that he will finish His work when He takes us up to heaven to be with him. In John’s account Jesus confirms this by saying, “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also” (John 14:2-3).

YOu are a wonderful breath of divine air here!!!!!!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

One does not have to proclaim if they agree with Darby's newly devised theory of dispensational views that has overtaken the traditional view that existed for 1800 years. One becomes a Darbite because of holding the views of a man's interpretation that simply is not in scripture just as the JW's claim to be followers of Christ but are not Christians because they, in reality, follow the teachings of Charles Taze Russell etc. It's the teachings and the originators of the unbiblical doctrines that define who they really follow.

And exactly what do you think were the major tenets of Darby?

And you hold to the teaching of Augustine and the RCC, so? I can defend all of my beliefs based on a literal/historical/grammatical understanding of teh Bible. You on the other hand cannot!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That has been very obvious to me.

While you believe God speaks in code that needs to be found by mystics and then passed on! Like Israel =the church!

and a physical kingdom is not a physical kingdom and 1,000 years is not 1,000 years.

But let me ask you this in sincereness.

According to you IN jeremiah 31:31:34 you have declared Israel=teh church. so what does Judah=??????

 

[theefaith]

YOu are a wonderful breath of divine air here!!!!!!

And what is the high priest supposed to say over the fourth cup, consummating the Passover???

 

[Ronald Nolette]

These 4 out of 11 commentators agree on all of the aspects of Jer. 31:31. I only added a few underlines to them. I made no changes in what they wrote.

I noticed the four commentators used were all pre- Darby rebirth of dispensational understanding. Or in the midst of it and all are covenant replacement theologians.

 

[keithr]

the church is only built by Christ on the apostles Matt 16:18 eph 2:20

ctr is of the tradition of men

Ephesians 2:20

(20) being built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief cornerstone;​

"Prophets" include the Old Testament prophets aswell as the prophets within the Christian church.

The Ancient Worthies are Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Daniel, the Old Testament prophets, etc. - those mentioned in Hebrew 11.

What is "ctr"?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

And what is the high priest supposed to say over the fourth cup, consummating the Passover???

Well the fourth cup has not been experienced yet in time so we don't know. But it is not the RCC words they think takes wine and turns it into blood.

As MAtrin Luthers Father told him while he was still a catholic priest, wine thou art and wine thou shalt always stay!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Mediator of a New Covenant

So when are you taking your New Translation of the bible to print to correct Gods mistakes???????

Because you hold to replacement theology and are a covenantal allegorist, we all know that in so many passages, your subconscious mind set is this: " I know what teh bible says, but this is what it means."

You are just like the RCC, Mormons< Jw's in reinterpreting Scripture to fit a preconceived theology that was spoon fed to you. Why should I hold you more correct than them?

Teh difference between you and me? I can defend all my positions straight from the Bible without any commentators (though I could bring dozens to bear), you OTOH require commentators to define how what God says is not what He meant.

 

[theefaith]

Jer 31:31 new covenant in Christ
Christ is Mediator
Christ is savior

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Jn 1:29 behold the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world!

All are invited to the new covenant
The whole world and all time

Christ founded the new covenant church to teach all nations the truths of salvation

 

[theefaith]

Ephesians 2:20

(20) being built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief cornerstone;​

"Prophets" include the Old Testament prophets aswell as the prophets within the Christian church.

The Ancient Worthies are Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Daniel, the Old Testament prophets, etc. - those mentioned in Hebrew 11.

What is "ctr"?

mr Russell

 

[theefaith]

Well the fourth cup has not been experienced yet in time so we don't know. But it is not the RCC words they think takes wine and turns it into blood.

As MAtrin Luthers Father told him while he was still a catholic priest, wine thou art and wine thou shalt always stay!

Christ the high priest said those words consummating the Passover sacrifice.

“IT IS FINISHED “!!!

 

[theefaith]

So when are you taking your New Translation of the bible to print to correct Gods mistakes???????

Because you hold to replacement theology and are a covenantal allegorist, we all know that in so many passages, your subconscious mind set is this: " I know what teh bible says, but this is what it means."

You are just like the RCC, Mormons< Jw's in reinterpreting Scripture to fit a preconceived theology that was spoon fed to you. Why should I hold you more correct than them?

Teh difference between you and me? I can defend all my positions straight from the Bible without any commentators (though I could bring dozens to bear), you OTOH require commentators to define how what God says is not what He meant.

yes the new covenant replaced the old
The new kingdom of God
Christ replaced david as king Lk 1:32-33
The church replaced Israel as the kingdom matt 21:43

 

[keithr]

And what is the high priest supposed to say over the fourth cup, consummating the Passover???

The High Priest is not involved. The passover meal was/is performed by every family in their own homes.

 

[theefaith]

The High Priest is not involved. The passover meal was/is performed by every family in their own homes.

what was the high priest supposed to wear?