Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

[Titus]

Absolutely.


Well, not directly, or in so many words, but yes, I did. We all need to be reborn of the Spirit before this can happen. Until then, we are dead in sin. Salvation is of the Lord.

Grace and peace to you.

You Sir just denied Jesus.

 

[PinSeeker]

You Sir just denied Jesus.

Absolutely not. Quite the opposite. Grace and peace to you.

 

[Titus]

Absolutely not. Quite the opposite. Grace and peace to you.

Saying something is false does not prove it true.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, I Am The Way, The Truth, and The Life
NO ONE comes to the Father except through Me

 

[PinSeeker]

Saying something is false does not prove it true.

But perception is not reality, Titus.

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, I Am The Way, The Truth, and The Life
NO ONE comes to the Father except through Me

I'm not sure how you suppose me to be denying this in any way. Nor do I care, with all due respect.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Titus]

But perception is not reality, Titus.


I'm not sure how you suppose me to be denying this in any way. Nor do I care, with all due respect.

Grace and peace to you.

Well, Maybe meditate on Jesus' teaching here?
No comes to the Father except through who?

Cornelius did not know Christ. Yet you teach he was saved.
Cornelius did not know Christ, therefore he did not know the Father.
Cornelius could not have already come to God. For that can only be accomplished through Jesus Christ.

 

[Titus]

But perception is not reality, Titus.


I'm not sure how you suppose me to be denying this in any way. Nor do I care, with all due respect.

Grace and peace to you.

btw, if you have a non- caring heart. Then don't send me messages.

 

[PinSeeker]

Well, Maybe meditate on Jesus' teaching here?
No comes to the Father except through who?

Regarding Jesus's teaching in John 14:6, there is no dispute. Again, if you suppose me to be denying it, you can perish that thought, because I am not, in any way.

Cornelius did not know Christ.

And I say he did... although whether he knew Christ or not is never directly said... and we can know this because of Acts 10:2, where Luke writes that Cornelius was a devout man who feared God ~ which, according to Psalm 110, is the beginning of all wisdom, right? ~ with all his household, gave alms generously to the people, and prayed continually to God. His heart was converted.

Yet you teach he was saved.

What I think I'm hearing, Titus, is that you think our belief and repentance precedes heart regeneration, or being born again of the Spirit. Is this correct? If so, then no, it's the other way around.

Cornelius did not know Christ, therefore he did not know the Father. Cornelius could not have already come to God. For that can only be accomplished through Jesus Christ.

See, I think what I said above is what I'm hearing. As I'm sure you well know, Jesus also said, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him." Now, you may say you believe what Jesus said there (in John 6), but again, it seems to be quite the other way around from how you suppose. Jesus also says to His disciples (and to us, by extension), "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide..." in John 15:6.

...if you have a non-caring heart...

Yeah, I... don't have a non-caring heart. :) All I said was I don't really care that your perception regarding me was/is wrong... doesn't bother me. It is what it is.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Titus]

Regarding Jesus's teaching in John 14:6, there is no dispute. Again, if you suppose me to be denying it, you can perish that thought, because I am not, in any way.


And I say he did... although whether he knew Christ or not is never directly said... and we can know this because of Acts 10:2, where Luke writes that Cornelius was a devout man who feared God ~ which, according to Psalm 110, is the beginning of all wisdom, right? ~ with all his household, gave alms generously to the people, and prayed continually to God. His heart was converted.


What I think I'm hearing, Titus, is that you think our belief and repentance precedes heart regeneration, or being born again of the Spirit. Is this correct? If so, then no, it's the other way around.


See, I think what I said above is what I'm hearing. As I'm sure you well know, Jesus also said, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him." Now, you may say you believe what Jesus said there (in John 6), but again, it seems to be quite the other way around from how you suppose. Jesus also says to His disciples (and to us, by extension), "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide..." in John 15:6.


Yeah, I... don't have a non-caring heart. :) All I said was I don't really care that your perception regarding me was/is wrong... doesn't bother me. It is what it is.

Grace and peace to you.

Did I not ask you to not bother me?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

LOL. Titus doesnt like calvinists. He gets mad when we prove him wrong.

 

[PinSeeker]

Did I not ask you to not bother me?

I don't know. Did you ask me to not bother you? Or insinuate that I was bothering you in some way? What a strange question...

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Titus]

LOL. Titus doesnt like calvinists. He gets mad when we prove him wrong.

Love you, friend

 

[Phoneman777]

Jesus said you will know them by their fruits.

He was speaking of sincere saints vs fake ones.

He did not expect the disciples to run a test, but observe and decide who is sincere.

Paul even left an opening for faux "Law keepers" that should not impose their ideas on the rest.

Only radical folks were removed from the church.

However, the deal breaker will always be those that disobey Acts 2:38.

They are not part of the church at all.

I think we can both agree the "fruit" to which Jesus referred is "words" and "actions", OK? Let's just come right out and say it. When a professing Christian refuses to repent and be baptized, we know he's either sincerely or deliberately wrong.

But, "repent" of what? Obviously, of wrong words and actions!

That's why John says we can know that we know Jesus if we have repented from breaking His commandments, and anyone who says they know Him but refuses to repent of breaking His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them, right or wrong?

 

[Phoneman777]

LOL. Titus doesnt like calvinists. He gets mad when we prove him wrong.

There are ways of interpreting the Bible to show that it doesn't necessarily support Calvinism...for instance, when God He "hated" Esau, we can compare that to when Jesus said we can't be His disciples unless we "hate" our parents -- which obviously means "love less", not despise with contempt, right or wrong?

God was saying He "loved less" Esau because he only cared about making himself happy, while Jacob highly esteemed the "priestly" birthright responsibility and also the holy Messianic lineage of which the firstborn was to partake.

 

[Truther]

Hello Truther, I'm having a slight migraine, so I need to get off of here.
I am curious to know what church you are affiliated with?
I am a member of the Lords church, i.e. The church of Christ, Romans 16:16.

I am a member of the church of Pentecost that started in Acts(2:38).

I hang out with the UPC brethren that obeyed Acts 2:38.

The UPC is right concerning Acts 2:38, but has a few RCC and protestant doctrine they need to reevaluate still.

The most important thing is getting through Acts 2:38 though.

 

[Truther]

at least until 325AD when the infant RCC hijacked peter (long since dead) as their first pope.
And, if he is their pope, why don't they obey him?

Yes, they debunk their Pope, Peter!

Great point.

 

[Truther]

Yah sure. I guess John MacArthur has'nt thought things through either. Lol
Are you saved by grace through faith in Christ and not by works? Yes or no?

Yes, since the verse you quoted is talking about the keeping of the OT works of the Law, correct.

Not Spirit led works as per obeying Acts 2:38 and walking in the Spirit though.

Now you know exactly what "not saved by works" was referring to in your Bible.

Acts 2:38 is NT, not OT Law.

 

[Truther]

I think we can both agree the "fruit" to which Jesus referred is "words" and "actions", OK? Let's just come right out and say it. When a professing Christian refuses to repent and be baptized, we know he's either sincerely or deliberately wrong.

But, "repent" of what? Obviously, of wrong words and actions!

That's why John says we can know that we know Jesus if we have repented from breaking His commandments, and anyone who says they know Him but refuses to repent of breaking His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them, right or wrong?

Correct.

The issue is whether or not it is our job to inspect the fruit of the saints, whether they have what it takes or not.

This is impossible because everyone is very different and on a different Spiritual obedience level.

It cannot be categorized.

Like a men's meeting I attended this week and a couple of guys said minor cuss words.

There was a day that I would have said something, but I let God do the work these days and ignore their words as "whatever".

 

[Titus]

I am a member of the church of Pentecost that started in Acts(2:38).

I hang out with the UPC brethren that obeyed Acts 2:38.

The UPC is right concerning Acts 2:38, but has a few RCC and protestant doctrine they need to reevaluate still.

The most important thing is getting through Acts 2:38 though.

Friend there are churches that teach some of Jesus' truth.
Then there is The church that teaches only What God teaches.
That church is not named after a number but the founder.
No one can be saved outside His one and only church,
Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.

Many do not know that all of the saved are in the body of Christ, the church.
That means if you are not in the church that Christ established.
You are not saved.

So, it is critical that we get into His body.
That church is the Lords church,
Romans 16:16
Greet one another with a Holy kiss, The churches of Christ salute you.

Jesus has only one church,
Ephesians 4:4
There is ONE BODY and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling

 

[Truther]

Friend there are churches that teach some of Jesus' truth.
Then there is The church that teaches only What God teaches.
That church is not named after a number but the founder.
No one can be saved outside His one and only church,
Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.

Many do not know that all of the saved are in the body of Christ, the church.
That means if you are not in the church that Christ established.
You are not saved.

So, it is critical that we get into His body.
That church is the Lords church,
Romans 16:16
Greet one another with a Holy kiss, The churches of Christ salute you.

Jesus has only one church,
Ephesians 4:4
There is ONE BODY and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling

The sinner must first obey Acts 2:38 to be qualified to be Christ's church.

The rest are fake organization of renegade wannabe Christians.

I don't care if they don't believe fat meat is greasy, as long as they are obeying Acts 2:38.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Baptism doesnt save.

i need to make some bumper stickers that say that. I’d have all these oneness pentecostal blowing their horns at me. :cool::cool: