Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

[Truther]

No, confessing is not a work, it is an admission of guilt, of sins. We are saved by grace through faith, a gift, not by works.
Don't you know what work is? You worked all your life didn't you? You earned a living from the work you did.
Well ETERNAL LIFE is not earned or merited by works.
More specifically pertaining to salvation, trying to keep the LAW would be considered works. Nobody could keep it perfectly except Jesus. He fulfilled it for us.
Belief is not a work. If you are guilty of a crime and go into a courtroom to confess, that is not a work. No, you got arrested for the work (crime) you did. Sin is a work of evil. An act of goodness is also a work too - which is expected of us. But all your acts of goodness cannot earn you salvation. If they could, Jesus would not have had to die for our sins.
It is the belief that Jesus died for our sins and rose on the third day that is the gospel message, the good news, which means we don't have to die for the wages of sin.
If what I have posted is not convincing to you, I'm sorry, there is nothing more I can say.

Physical thinking and speaking with your mouth is not a personal work?

Then why did Jesus say this act can either justify or condemn us?

Your strange idea that the upper part of our body(above the neck) cannot work is absurd.

James even says our words can cause things to happen.

I think you haven't thought this thing through.

 

[Truther]

Good point. Let's say you live in some place called Havenwood, and you call your church Havenwood Community Church - it's not the name that matters but the doctrine. If you teach Acts 2:38 for salvation and that body of believers has fruit of the spirit and gifts of the spirit in operation, then that church is doing well.

Exactly. It is all about having the exact same doctrine and experience of the nameless church that began in Acts 2.

 

[Truther]

Now Sir, I asked you if the bride can wear another bridegrooms name. You did not give me answer.

Building? Please quote me where I was referring to buildings, homes, tabernacle etc.

I am talking about the body and Head of the church.
I am aware that the church is not a building.
The church is those who have been called out of darkness and translated into the kingdom(church).
Colossians 1:13-14
He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love.
As Paul taught here in Colossians 1:13-14 , we are in the kingdom. Which is His church,
Matthew 16:18-19
And I say to you that you are Peter and on this rock I will build My CHURCH, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
And I will give you the keys of the KINGDOM of heaven and and whatever you bind on earth on earth will be bound in heaven in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

The church keys fit the kingdom. And the kingdoms keys fit the church. Therefore they are one in the same.

We see the church is here and therefore must also be the kingdom,
Colossians 1:13-14 ;
Revelation 1:9,
I John both your brother and companion in the tribulation and KINGDOM and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

John and Paul confirm the kingdom has already come. And that kingdom is the Lords church/body
The church/Kingdom will be delivered up to Jesus when He returns.
1Corinthians 15:24
Then cometh the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.



It doesn't matter if Jesus' bride posts silly names?
Do you think Jesus is not offended when His bride refers to Him with silly names?

We must respect, honor and give all glory to Jesus by the bride of Christ, proudly wearing the bridegrooms name.
Ephesians 5:25-27
Husbands love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for it.
That Jesus might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water bynthe wotd.
That He might PRESENT IT TO HIMSELF a GLORIOUS church, not having SPOT or WRINKLE or in ANY SUCH THING; but that it should be Holy and without BLEMISH.

As a husband who desires his wife to honor you with respect.
How can we present ourselves i.e. the church to Christ as without spot or WRINKLE IN ANY SUCH THING,
But in holiness to Christ if we refer to the bridegroom with any silly name?
Does the church bring glory to Jesus when we wear the names other than His?

Paul condemned the use of other names for the baptism done IN JESUS' NAME.

1Corinthians 1:12-13
Now this I say, that everyone of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
IS CHRIST DIVIDED? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Paul had understanding that it was an abomination to give MEN THE GLORY for the Baptism that Jesus bleed and died for to save us.
Yet we can understand this is shameful to Christ.
But we think we can give glory, honor and respect to Jesus by using silly names other than His.


Etc.?

Spiritual established church of Christ in the new testament had a identifying name, description.
There would be nothing wrong with using it, Romans 16:16. In fact it is Biblically correct.
To use another name, description not found in the new testament, is from the mind of men and not Inspired.

Paul was inspired by the Holy Spirit when he said, Romans 16:16.

We inherit the name of the groom via water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sins.

At that point, we are "in Christ".

To be buried with Christ through baptism(Rom 6) is the only way to get "in Christ".

Having a legal name posted over our church building does not get us joined to Christ, but joined to a 501 C 3.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

THE ARK SAVED THEM, NOT THE WATER. It just seems like you have no discernment. You've been misterpretating every scripture you present.
Baptism by the Holy Spirit is essential. You aren't listening to me, so I gave you a teaching from one of the best and you reject it. I'm done.

both titus and truther are almost wrong about everything they have said on here. Its like they are trying to be wrong.

 

[Truther]

I got scripture.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

I had obeyed the commandment of water baptism in being His disciple, but I also had done it enough times before when once was enough to be His disciple. Does that make me more saved than you? Do believers get second class status for getting sprinkled by water rather than baptism by immersion? Does the Catholic Church has the right to say any one water baptized outside the Catholic Church per their Catechism are not saved?

I am testifying to the power of God in being able to save those who believe the preaching of the cross as Paul did without water baptism.

Taking the Epistle out of context trumps Acts 2:38?

Did you know that most evangelists let their fellows do their baptizing, as they deal with the administration of the Word?

You better learn what is going on.

Modern preachers that say Paul did not do the baptizing therefore was against baptism are not even trying to understand what he meant.

They are anti Acts and Jesus(Mark 16:16).

They hate Mark 16:16 so much that they have declared that chapter a fraud.

What a bunch of schmucks.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

You need to know, your despair is caused by the false religion you have been indoctrinated into.
My Granddad was too honest like you to be a calvinist. He never got anything that convinced him he was chosen, elected, regenerated.
His life was miserable because he was an honest person.
Until he found out that the church he was involved with taught error.
He learned that God loves everyone. God wants everyone to come to the knowledge of the truth,
1Timothy 2:4.

Friend, if You are not totally depraved with an inherited sin nature.
Then you can turn to God! And God will happily save you!
No wonder you have addictions. I would be so messed up if I believed God hated me and would not allow me to chose Him over sin, if that is my desire.

Look, getting saved does not mean your physical addictions get miraculously healed.
You will still have to overcome them. But God will be with you. He will love you, despite your struggles.

If I can prove to you that you are not a totally depraved reprobate inherently.
Then you will be free from the chains that are holding you back from becoming a child of God. God loves you right now Lifelong sinner. You have good in You. That's all the proof you need that you are not born Totally depraved.

Here is the proof,

We are not born in sin.
You base your interpretation off of a false premise.

Words don't have any real meaning taken out of context.
The message being given defines the meaning of the words used by the author.

If all men inherited a sinful, depraved nature and guilt of sin like any other man then:

1. Jesus had an advantage in overcoming sin that we do not. Therefore the following facts are true.

2. Jesus was NOT made like His brethren in all things,
Hebrews 2:14-18
Inasmuch then as children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself LIKEWISE SHARED THE SAME, that through death He might destroy him who had power of death, that is the devil,

Point: If calvinism be true then Jesus did not share the same, because all men are born wicked, depraved. Jesus was born sinless. Calvinism is refuted. Calvinism contradicts the Bible.

Verse 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16 For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham.
17 Therefore in ALL, ALL, ALL ALL, things He HAD TO BE MADE LIKE HIS BRETHREN, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

Point: If Calvinism be true Christ was not made in all things like His brethren, for His brethren are created totally depraved and He was born totally sinless/perfect. Calvinism refuted. Calvinism is heresy.

Verse 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.

Point: If Calvinism be true man is different in how he has been created, to desire nothing but sin. Whereas Jesus was only tempted to sin but not born completely depraved without any ability to resist sin.
Calvinism refuted. Calvinism is heresy.

3. Jesus was not tempted in all things just as we are,
Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was IN ALL, ALL, ALL, POINTS TEMPTED AS WE ARE, YET WITHOUT SIN.

Point:
If Calvinism be true then Jesus was not tempted, made like us to sin from birth like we are.
Jesus was sinless, perfect and able to resist sin. Calvinism even teaches Jesus was incapable of sinnig.
100% opposite of what the scriptures teach about Jesus being like us in all points.
Calvinism refuted. Calvinism is heresy.

calvinism is the closest thing in explaining the Bible correctly. Calvinism is rejected by you because you find the truth to be too hard to listen to.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

What a bunch of schmucks.

LOL. Water baptizing doesnt save you. You think that no one in hell will have been baptized?

 

[Truther]

Can you show me where the Bible says it's OK to disregard "fruit inspector" deputy badges Jesus gave us because sometimes we, too, mess up? If not, you need to put the badge back on and start holding the brethren accountable.

I think the reason church is so out of hand with girls sitting their with open Bibles half naked and men getting crooks in their necks trying to look while facing the pulpit is because church standards have given way to the false "feel good" Gospel, IMO. If there was ever a need of "the discipline of the church" for Christians, it's now. After all, why should the unchurched "come out from among them and be ye separate" if what they enter into looks like, talks like, thinks like, is hungover on Sunday morning like, etc., the world?

Jesus said you will know them by their fruits.

He was speaking of sincere saints vs fake ones.

He did not expect the disciples to run a test, but observe and decide who is sincere.

Paul even left an opening for faux "Law keepers" that should not impose their ideas on the rest.

Only radical folks were removed from the church.

However, the deal breaker will always be those that disobey Acts 2:38.

They are not part of the church at all.

 

[Truther]

both titus and truther are almost wrong about everything they have said on here. Its like they are trying to be wrong.

Are we wrong about this?...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

....or was Peter wrong and we are following the wrong command?

 

[Truther]

calvinism is the closest thing in explaining the Bible correctly. Calvinism is rejected by you because you find the truth to be too hard to listen to.

Calvin was wrong for disobeying Acts 2:38.

 

[Titus]

calvinism is the closest thing in explaining the Bible correctly. Calvinism is rejected by you because you find the truth to be too hard to listen to.

I just proved to you that the Bible teaches Jesus is tempted in ALL ways that we are tempted.

If calvinism is true then in order for Jesus to be tempted in every way we are tempted. He would have to have a sin debt, totally depraved nature just like us. But the Bible teaches He was not like that at All!

So, you are completely wrong! Calvinism is a horrible, pitiful excuse for accurate Biblical exegesis.

I wonder if you want to be a depraved reprobate so you have an excuse to use drugs?

 

[Truther]

LOL. Water baptizing doesnt save you. You think that no one in hell will have been baptized?

Water baptism saves you per Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38 and 1 Peter 3:21.

You must have a different Bible than mine.

I have no idea if water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins covers the sins of the troubled saint.

I only trust it will save them by the name of Jesus.

Hell is for the ungodly, that will be judged and condemned by the Law.

 

[Truther]

I just proved to you that the Bible teaches Jesus is tempted in ALL ways that we are tempted.

If calvinism is true then in order for Jesus to be tempted in every way we are tempted. He would have to have a sin debt, totally depraved nature just like us. But the Bible teaches He was not like that at All!

So, you are completely wrong! Calvinism is a horrible, pitiful excuse for accurate Biblical exegesis.

I wonder if you want to be a depraved reprobate so you have an excuse to use drugs?

No, Jesus was the redo of the first Adam.

He was the last Adam.

The first Adam failed the test and the last Adam succeeded.

Now you know why he refused to sin.

 

[Titus]

LOL. Water baptizing doesnt save you. You think that no one in hell will have been baptized?

I Wonder if folks who follow John Calvin have ever really studied about the man's life.
Here is a fun fact about Calvin. He was a murderer. Those who opposed his doctrine were put to death.
Look up the life of John Calvin. You will learn that he was anything but righteous.

 

[Titus]

No, Jesus was the redo of the first Adam.

He was the last Adam.

The first Adam failed the test and the last Adam succeeded.

Now you know why he refused to sin.

Ok, I don't agree that Adam and Jesus were to serve the same purpose here on earth. But that is beside the point.

If we are totally depraved and Jesus is obviously not. That proves calvinism is false teaching. By the fact that the Bible teaches Jesus was tempted in ALL ways as man was tempted.
It is obvious that if born in sin is true. We and Jesus are not tempted in All the same ways.

 

[Truther]

I Wonder if folks who follow John Calvin have ever really studied about the man's life.
Here is a fun fact about Calvin. He was a murderer. Those who opposed his doctrine were put to death.
Look up the life of John Calvin. You will learn that he was anything but righteous.

That is why we obey Peter(the one Jesus gave the keys) per Acts 2:38 and not Calvin, etc.

 

[Truther]

Ok, I don't agree that Adam and Jesus were to serve the same purpose here on earth. But that is beside the point.

If we are totally depraved and Jesus is obviously not. That proves calvinism is false teaching. By the fact that the Bible teaches Jesus was tempted in ALL ways as man was tempted.
It is obvious that if born in sin is true. We and Jesus are not tempted in All the same ways.

Fact is, the first Adam got us into this mess and the last Adam got us out of this mess.

This is the overall theme of the entire Bible.

Think about it....

 

[Truther]

The overall story of the Bible is the story of 2 Adams'.

 

[Titus]

The overall story of the Bible is the story of 2 Adams'.

Hello Truther, I'm having a slight migraine, so I need to get off of here.
I am curious to know what church you are affiliated with?
I am a member of the Lords church, i.e. The church of Christ, Romans 16:16.

 

[user]

Exactly. It is all about having the exact same doctrine and experience of the nameless church that began in Acts 2.

at least until 325AD when the infant RCC hijacked peter (long since dead) as their first pope.
And, if he is their pope, why don't they obey him?