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Why did God use the symbol of a Snake, to represent Christ on the Cross?
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Eternally Grateful
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Never really thought of this. Only think I can quickly think of is the snakes were what was killing the people. so the bronze serpent healed.
Its interesting that the medical symbol for the military and other services is a snake on a pole, (actually two serpents)
When you respond, you may have to be wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove
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It has to do with the Conversation about Penal Substitutionary Atonement on the other Thread. The Fiery Serpents are symbolic of Sin, the Serpent on the Cross is Christ becoming Sin on our behalf...
PSA was Prophesied. Salvation from Sin, requires God's Punishment of it...
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Amen...
And Moses not being able to bear the Serpent Cross, symbolizes that we can't be Saved by the Law. Moses was only allowed to peer into the Promised Land; not enter it. The Law leads us to Christ. Joshua, Yeshua (Jesus), leads God's people into the Promised Land...
soberxp
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Moses could not enter the promised land not because he had done anything wrong, but because God did not need another king to lead his people. God needed to lead them himself.
But then there was a king, because Jesus Christ was coming, because Jesus Christ is the king.
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Vitality ~ by ReverendRV * December 15
Deuteronomy 34:7 BSB; Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak, and his vitality had not diminished.
Have you ever watched a child and wished you had their energy? Most of us start winding down in our old age, but a few of us are full of Vitality even in the twilight of our lives. The Bible has a few examples of people with such vigor; Caleb is one of them. Moses also had good eyesight, and he needed it. Since Moses Sinned against God, he was only allowed to see the Promised Land from afar. ~ Have you ever heard of the Law of Moses? God made a Covenant with Israel, and the People agreed with God that if they kept the Covenant; this will be their Righteousness. God gave his Law thru Moses; it’s one reason why it bears his name. But another reason is because Moses was a prophetic ‘Type’; he personified the Covenant of Works. He could only bring Israel close enough to See the Promised Land; then fall short…
You object, “Falling short is Vitality?” ~ Biblically speaking, the Law of Moses is only meant to show us we’re Sinners; in this way ‘its’ Vitality has not diminished. Have you ever told a Lie? What do you call people who tell Lies? The Law of Moses shows you are a Liar; it’s still as strong as ever. Have you ever Stolen anything? Have you ever Coveted your Neighbor’s possessions? No? Come on, you’ve admitted you want the energy of a child; Youth is wasted on the Young. You know your Neighbor has something you wish you could just take! Thou shall not Covet your neighbor’s Wife; Coveting is Theft AND Adultery of the heart. These were just four of the Ten Commandments, if God judges you by the Law of Moses, would you be innocent or guilty? Would you go to Hell or to Heaven? Is your Conscience bothering you?
Moses was vital enough to lead you to the outskirts of the Promised Land; but what you need is a Joshua to lead you into the Promised Land. Moses is analogous of the Old Covenant, but Joshua is analogous of the New Covenant of God; and he’s a “Type” of Jesus Christ. ~ For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting Life. Jesus Christ is the unique Son of God who gave up his Life on the Cross to pay an eternal death penalty that he didn’t deserve. He rose from the dead, defeating the Grave and Hell! We’re Saved by the Grace of God through Faith in the risen Savior Jesus Christ, without Hoping our vitality is good enough to get us to the Pearly Gates. Repent of your Sin, Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God; visit a local Church and tell them God has Forgiven you. ~ Moses had a life long Vitality; but Jesus has an Everlasting Vitality! Christ said the Law of Moses would not pass away until every Jot and Tittle was fulfilled; and Jesus did that by always keeping the Law of Moses. God buried Moses in Moab; so as God, Jesus Christ buries the Law of Moses for us. You are the Widow of Moses and are now the Bride of Jesus; under the better Law of Christ…
Deuteronomy 34:6 NLT; The LORD buried him in a valley near Beth-peor in Moab, but to this day no one knows the exact place.
Sorry to disagree, Moses did not enter the promise land because of his disobedience. Pay attention to verses 51 and 52
48 Then the Lord spoke to Moses that very same day, saying: 49 “Go up this mountain of the Abarim, Mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, across from Jericho; view the land of Canaan, which I give to the children of Israel as a possession; 50 and die on the mountain which you ascend, and be gathered to your people, just as Aaron your brother died on Mount Hor and was gathered to his people; 51 because you trespassed against Me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah Kadesh, in the Wilderness of Zin, because you did not hallow Me in the midst of the children of Israel. 52 Yet you shall see the land before you, though you shall not go there, into the land which I am giving to the children of Israel.” - Deuteronomy 32:48-52
You're referring to Numbers 21:7-9
7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. 8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. 9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
God instructed Moses to create a large copper serpent on a pole, symbolizing perfect humanity. The serpent needed to be bigger than life so that everyone could see it. A crosspiece was added to the pole to prevent the serpent from spiraling around it like a barber pole. With the serpent coiled around the crosspiece, it resembled the medical symbol of Aesculapius. Interestingly, anyone who was bitten and looked at the serpent on the pole would be healed!
In chemistry, it's known that poison can counteract poison. Some medicines even have a skull and crossbones on their labels. The crossbones symbolize Christ, while the skull represents death. Most people don't grasp this symbolism, but it has been overlooked, similar to how many events have been ignored to convey spiritual lessons. Thus, it took death to overcome death. Fiery serpents were a curse to those they bit, but gazing at the bronze serpent, which appeared as a curse, had a healing effect that lifted the death sentence. In this context, the serpent on the cross represents Jesus, who stated, 'Just as Moses lifted the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up' (John 3:14). The serpent on the pole likely symbolizes Jesus' death more than his resurrection, as it depicts his crucifixion and his being made a curse on a tree. God cursed Adam for his sin, and it takes a curse to break a curse. A tree brought the curse upon Adam, leading to the downfall of humanity. Therefore, Jesus, representing a future generation, effectively countered the penalty of Adam for himself and his future descendants. The people admitted their wrongdoing. They approached Moses and said, 'We have sinned.' They then requested Moses to pray for them.
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Lamentations 3:31 refers to God disciplining Israel during their earthly suffering. It cannot be applied to those who have been condemned to eternal torment in hell. God doesn't play games, when He makes a promise He keeps it forever.
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Your theology is inconsistent, you seem to have created a gospel to suit yourself. I notice some of your comments are consistent with the Orthodox view of the gospel (by "Orthodox", I don't mean "Eastern Orthodox"), I mean the gospel view which has been the most widely accepted by the Church Fathers for the past 2000 years.
It is discouraging to see you mix human philosophy and wisdom with divine truth at the same time. This is why I suspected you were an AI Robot at one time.
On the one hand you admit that salvation is of the Lord, and that He choses those He purposed to save. Then later you suggest that salvation is in the hands of the individual. We can't have it both ways, salvation is either all of the Lord, or al by mans choice.
Those who claim that it's a joint effort between God and man, actually believe that salvation is by man because he first chose to believe and was saved by his faith.
We still have the outstanding issue of whether the Bible is Gods Living Word. I believe the Bible is Gods Living Word today, it still has the same power to save people as id did thousands of years ago when it was spoken. God is is the most powerful thing in the universe, it is all powerful and almighty and it is alive forever.
I get the sense that you believe that the Bible has somehow lost it's relevance and power in our modern age, but I would bego to differ as I have seen overwhelming evidence that it is still just as powerful and relevant as it ever was.
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I have searched through the entire Bible, looking for any passages which would support "universalism". I was unable to any, so I assume you are sharing your private opinion which is based on nothing other than your own personal feelings.
The problem with private opinions, is there are literally billions of opposing views and opinions in that sea of confusion. I would much rather embrace the Truth, because He will never lead me in to confusion or false doctrine. The Lord Jesus Christ said "I am the Truth", and I believe Him and I'm exceeding glad to believe every Word that proceeds from His mouth.
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and yet that IS OUR CALLING . What paul wrote was for the good of the church as HE himself set an example .
THAT IS THE PRIZE IT IS THE GOAL . set the MARK upon CHRIST
NOT upon man , not upon these leaders , BUT UPON CHRIST JESUS .
LET GOD BE TRUE but every man a liar . HIS WORDS are TRUTH . MY words are SPIRIT and they are LIFE .
TIS TIME TO FEAST upon such lovely words in that lovely book called the bible .
LET us start afresh and anew . TO the trenches one and to the trenches all . Forward march .
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What is THE ONLY CONDMENATION . WELL IT SURE AINT GOD , IT SURE AINT HIS WORDS, IT SURE AINT CHRIST .
WHAT IS the condmenation .
AND WHO IS it that condemns themselves .
THIS IS the condmenation , that men wont come TO THE LIGHT , WHICH CHRIST IS THE LIGHT
and here is the one who condemns themselves .
A HERETICK , after you have warned them once or twice , REJECT
HE is condemned BY HIS OWN DARN SELF . man CONDMENS HIMSELF by DENYING THE ONLY ONE WHO COULD HAVE SAVED THEM .
OH yes . THE LAKE OF FIRE is not a fairy tale
NOR IS THE PROMISE THAT IN JESUS CHRIST WE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE .
FOR GOD so loved the world that HE DID SEND His only begotten SON that all who do , BELIEVE , take note that says BELIEVE
in HIM should not perish but HAVE EVERASTING LIFE . man , man is always the blame . NOT GOD .
GOD gave us a way out . GOD LOVED US , HE LOVES THE WORLD
HE gave us a way out . AND THE SHEEP HEAR HIS VOICE , JESUS THE CHRIST , the GIVER OF ETERNAL LIFE
the REDEEMER and LIBERATOR OF OUR SOULS . TO the trenches one and to the trenches all .
AND do take note at what is said at the end of revelation . HE who adds too or takes from this book .
amigo de christo
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IN fact you will hear from the mouth of JESUS himself and more than once
QUITE the opposite of univeralism as HE HOLLERS WOE UNTO THEE , WOE UNTO THEE it will BE WORSE FOR YOU than ever
it was for sodom .
YOU will hear warnings as well from the apostels as they SHOOK the dust off against those who rejected
as a testimony against them . saying things LIKE YOUR BLOOD be upon your own head
AND ye count yourselves unworthy of , EVERLASTING LIFE .
LOOK at the dire warnings paul gave to even the hebrews and others .
LOOK at the dire warnings john gave
jude did
and others did . YOU WONT SEE UNIVERSALISM preached by those men . YOU WILLL SEE ONLY ONE NAME
they preached with the UPMOSET DIRE REMINDER YE NEEDS TO BELIEVE ON HIM .
Then read some revelation
ITs all one and the same . ME is very happy to see that by grace you see this too my friend . WE POINT ONLY TO JESUS THE CHRIST
and WE shall give NO FALSE HOPE unto this world . JESUS IS THE ONLY NAME whereby one may be SAVED
and thus THAT IS WHO WE SHALL preach . no false fables here my friend , no false love , no false hope .
ONLY THE TRUE LOVE OF GOD that desires none to perish , THUS ITS JESUS this sheep points too
and not rather to a fairy tale universalism incliusivism LIE . cause that lie AINT saving squat .
Thank you for all those wonderful scriptural proofs you provided. I'll be sure to look them up.
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