Can you be saved if you don't believe in the diety of Christ?

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No, but I would like you to know that unless we know the truth, we will not be saved.
That's what I'm here for. To help anyone in need of knowing how the gospel of Christ saves.
I know that God does not accept differing doctrines. Denominationalism has convinced many that "we are all headed to the same place, Just going different ways"
That is why folks on here do not see the urgency to refute, error.
They have the idea that we can believe different doctrines and still get to heaven.

Is the way to heaven the broad way?
Matthew 7:14
Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life and there is few who find it.
Jesus taught it is difficult to attain eternal life.

The Bible teaches there are no different ways.
There is only one way, John 14:6,

I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
How many ways is that?

Only those who obey the Lords commandments will enter into heaven, John writes, Revelation 22:14,
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Hello to you Titus,

Good continue to share, as you are lead by the spirit, sir. With others. I love people, and I love you. I love people who are in different denominations as well. The truth is founded in the Bible and as far as I’m concerned all of the human race as Individuals are responsible for their relationship between God and themselves as they have faith in the Gospel of Christ.

I believe there are Christians founded in Mormonism, Jehovah witness, pentacostal church’s.

My only qualm is people being deceived as far as they believe the person who is up on a pulpit teaching whatever it is, and they blindly follow and believe what they say without checking and looking into the Bible to find out what is the truth.

God knows the hearts and the minds of people and we do not. All we know is what people confess and say which comes from the heart.

I believe everything should be done in accordance with the holy spirit and to abide in Christ.


“And the fruit of the Spirit is: Love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law; and those who are Christ's, the flesh did crucify with the affections, and the desires; if we may live in the Spirit, in the Spirit also we may walk; let us not become vain-glorious — one another provoking, one another envying!”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:22-26‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

in Christ,
Matthew Gallagher
 

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Amen, what church are you a member of

the one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles
One, holy, catholic, and apostolic!

only Christ has authority to found the church Matt 16:18 only one true church Jn 16:13 all others are heretical sects the tradition of men
 

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the one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles
One, holy, catholic, and apostolic!

only Christ has authority to found the church Matt 16:18 only one true church Jn 16:13 all others are heretical sects the tradition of men

Thanks for responding.
What do you mean by founded by Christ on Peter?
Also do you believe in baptizing babies?
You all ready told me one without faith in the gospel cannot be scripturally baptized,

no Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 Faith and baptism
 

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Thanks for responding.
What do you mean by founded by Christ on Peter?
Also do you believe in baptizing babies?
You all ready told me one without faith in the gospel cannot be scripturally baptized,

infant baptism

Acts 2:38-39 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Promise is to you’re children! Vs 39

This promise made in ez 36
A promise from God is a sacred oath, and a sacred oath is a sacrament!

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Acts 16:15 entire household baptized
(And it does not say accept infants!)

Baptism is the Christian initiation sacrament of the new covenant for all men. Matt 28:19 Jn 1:29 Jn 3:16

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (It does not say except infants!) (but it does say “all”)!

Lk 1:10-11 all people including infants

Thee faith is required for baptism.
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

If it’s not possible (as in the case of infants) it’s not required.

But the promise of the parents to raise and educate the child in the faith is required, then the child is confirmed in thee faith at the age of reason.

Repentance is required for baptism. Acts 2:38

If there is no personal sin to repent of (as in the case of infants) then it’s not required.
 

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Thanks for responding.
What do you mean by founded by Christ on Peter?
Also do you believe in baptizing babies?
You all ready told me one without faith in the gospel cannot be scripturally baptized,

only Christ has authority to found the church! Matt 16:18 one church Jn 10:16

Jesus Christ is the rock of salvation!

Peter is the rock that the church is built on by Christ alone!

Lk 22
All apostles But Jesus prays for Peter alone

Jn 21:17 Peter entrusted with the flock or church

Only Peter and His successors have
Jurisdictional authority from Christ to govern the church!

Already acting in the person of Christ even acting as intermediary!

It is Jesus Christ who identifies peter with himself!

Matt 17:24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the houser, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

It is Jesus Christ who identifies peter with himself! Matt 17:27

Jesus Christ gives the keys of the kingdom to peter matt 16:18-19 making him prime minister applying Isa 22:21-22 to peter

It’s Christ who does this

Why is the name of peter even mentioned?

Why does Christ change Peter’s name, God changing a persons name like Abram to Abraham or Jacob to Israel always signifies a mission or ministry!

Why does Christ give him the keys of jurisdictional authority that the prime minister holds under the king to administer the kingdom? Isa 22:21-22

How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?


also have to explain
Isa 22:21-22 jurisdictional authority of the keys and called father
Matt 28:19 go teach baptize
Jn 20:21-23 same mission power and authority as christ
Eph 2:20 church built on the apostles
Matt 23 successors of Moses have the jurisdictional authority and the power to bind and loose which Christ says must be obeyed, then taken from them matt 21:43 given to Peter and the apostles and their successors

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.



Applies only to Peter as “prince of the apostles”!

Peter and his successors are the Leader of the apostles and the head of the church until Christ returns!

Matt 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter,

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Lk 22:32 Christ prayed for Peter!

Peter is head of the church on earth in the place of Christ until His return!

Isa 22:21-22 21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Matt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matt 23:1 power and authority of the kingdom known in the keys and binding and loosing, Matt 21:43 kingdom shall be taken from you given to another who will bear fruit. (Peter the apostles in holy church Lk 22:29)

Matt 17:27 Jesus identified peter with himself.

Matt 16:17 Peter alone received revelation from the Father

Lk 22:32 Peter to strengthen his brethren (the apostles)

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep

Peter exercises his authority over the apostles and the church!

Acts 1:15
Acts 3:4
Acts 5:5 5:10
Acts 15:7

ONLY TO PETER CHRIST SAID: THOU ART PETER AND UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILT MY CHURCH, AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT!Matt 16:18

Peter is the prime minister, father, and head of the church on earth until Christ returns Isa 22:21-22

Seat of peter remains Until Christ returns
Matt 28:19-20


Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.


Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

4 important questions:

1) How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

2) How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

3) How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?

4) why did Christ give the keys to Peter (and only to Peter) keys of jurisdictional authority. Isa 22:21-22 why even bother to mention Peter if he is not involved?

Explain Jn 20:21 Peter and the apostles and their successors have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! “As the father sent me, so I send you”!

Matt 28:19 christ communicates his authority to peter and the apostles to teach all nations, baptize all disciples!
Jn 20:21-23 apostles even have authority to forgive sins
Eph 2:20 church built on the apostles
Matt 23 the authority and power of the successors of Moses required to be obeyed are taken from them and given to Peter and the apostles

Jn 21:17
Peter commanded to Feed my sheep:

2 Tim 3: 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
(Protestants, fundamentalists, etc.)

Christ and His church are one!
God cannot reveal error and the church cannot teach error!

True Christians cannot listen to the errors of excommunicated heretics like luther, calvin, etc. but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!






Questions about Jesus, Peter, and the keys!

How can Jesus be the builder and the church being built?

If Christ is the rock:

1) Why does Christ even mention Peter?

2) Why did Christ change Peter’s name? (Indicating an office or ministry, similar to Abram & Jacob)

3) Why did Christ give the keys to Peter? (and only to Peter) keys of jurisdictional authority. (Refer to Isa 22:21-22)

4) Why does Christ identify peter with himself! Matt 17:27
Where is the coin for the other apostles?

5) Why is Peter commanded to feed Christ’s sheep (the other apostles) and the lambs? (The people)
Jn 21:17

If Peter’s confession is the rock:

1) How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

2) How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

3) How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?
 

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And what are the commands mentioned in Matt 28:20?

how is one saved?
 

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infant baptism

Acts 2:38-39 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Promise is to you’re children! Vs 39

A simple reading of the above two verses reveals that there is no call by Peter for infants to be baptised. Rather what Peter is stating is that the promise is for the people who were listening to him, their children and those that are afar off in time, they too will receive what is promised.

This reference does not support infant baptism.
 

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This promise made in ez 36
A promise from God is a sacred oath, and a sacred oath is a sacrament!

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

If you understand that God is going to make like new again the same covenant that He made at Mt Sinai, which Israel reject within a few days of Moses going up on the mountain to talk with God, a covenant where Israel would become a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation, and God possession among the nations, then what Ezekiel is describing the process of commissioning the nation as Priests for the nations where priests are sprinkled with water to cleanse them.

Another example of grasping at straws by you.

God does not need the RCC to give authority to His Earthly Hosts to become His Priests on the earth during the Millennium Age.
 

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A simple reading of the above two verses reveals that there is no call by Peter for infants to be baptised. Rather what Peter is stating is that the promise is for the people who were listening to him, their children and those that are afar off in time, they too will receive what is promised.

This reference does not support infant baptism.

Acts 2:38-39 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Promise is to you’re children! Vs 39

This promise made in ez 36
A promise from God is a sacred oath, and a sacred oath is a sacrament!

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Acts 16:15 entire household baptized

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness.

(It does not say accept infants!)

Baptism is the Christian initiation sacrament of the new covenant for all men. Matt 28:19 Jn 1:29 Jn 3:16

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (It does not say except infants!) (but it does say “all”)!

Lk 1:10-11 all people including infants

Thee faith is required for baptism.
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

If it’s not possible (as in the case of infants) it’s not required.

But the promise of the parents to raise and educate the child in the faith is required, then the child is confirmed in thee faith at the age of reason.

Repentance is required for baptism. Acts 2:38

If there is no personal sin to repent of (as in the case of infants) then it’s not required.

For two thousand years the church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles has always baptized infants!

(Even many Protestants baptize infants)
 

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If you understand that God is going to make like new again the same covenant that He made at Mt Sinai, which Israel reject within a few days of Moses going up on the mountain to talk with God, a covenant where Israel would become a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation, and God possession among the nations, then what Ezekiel is describing the process of commissioning the nation as Priests for the nations where priests are sprinkled with water to cleanse them.

Another example of grasping at straws by you.

God does not need the RCC to give authority to His Earthly Hosts to become His Priests on the earth during the Millennium Age.

Christ is high priest!
Who are his low priests?

can you be saved without a priest?
 

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Acts 2:38-39 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Promise is to you’re children! Vs 39

This promise made in ez 36
A promise from God is a sacred oath, and a sacred oath is a sacrament!

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Acts 16:15 entire household baptized

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness.

(It does not say accept infants!)

Baptism is the Christian initiation sacrament of the new covenant for all men. Matt 28:19 Jn 1:29 Jn 3:16

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (It does not say except infants!) (but it does say “all”)!

Lk 1:10-11 all people including infants

Thee faith is required for baptism.
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

If it’s not possible (as in the case of infants) it’s not required.

But the promise of the parents to raise and educate the child in the faith is required, then the child is confirmed in thee faith at the age of reason.

Repentance is required for baptism. Acts 2:38

If there is no personal sin to repent of (as in the case of infants) then it’s not required.

For two thousand years the church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles has always baptized infants!

(Even many Protestants baptize infants)

Reposting the same mistaken belief does not make it true. Nor does it endear the RCC to many Christians. What your post does tell us is that you have been mislead by the RCC theology into believing that Infants should be baptised. Many denominations dedicate infants and have the parent promise as well as the congregation that they will ensure that the infant is taught about Christ and that, through Him, they can gain their own salvation.
 

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Christ is high priest!

Yes Christ is our "High" Priest in the order of Melchizedek. (Heb. 6:20)

Who are his low priests?

All who are His disciples, are priests and we are all commissioned to make disciples of others.

can you be saved without a priest?

Yes

The Great commission tells us so: -

Matthew 28:18-20: - 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.​
NKJV

The priests of the RCC are not mentioned in this record of the Great Commission. :rolleyes:
 

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Reposting the same mistaken belief does not make it true. Nor does it endear the RCC to many Christians. What your post does tell us is that you have been mislead by the RCC theology into believing that Infants should be baptised. Many denominations dedicate infants and have the parent promise as well as the congregation that they will ensure that the infant is taught about Christ and that, through Him, they can gain their own salvation.

the church is necessary for salvation

where does scripture forbid the baptism of infants
 

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Yes Christ is our "High" Priest in the order of Melchizedek. (Heb. 6:20)



All who are His disciples, are priests and we are all commissioned to make disciples of others.

The low priests must be of the same Order, the people are of the royal priesthood not the melchisedec priesthood!

try again


Yes

The Great commission tells us so: -

Matthew 28:18-20: - 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.​
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The priests of the RCC are not mentioned in this record of the Great Commission. :rolleyes:

the great commission only applies to the apostles!

yes they are the successors of the apostles!

can you be saved without a priest?
 

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Reposting the same mistaken belief does not make it true. Nor does it endear the RCC to many Christians. What your post does tell us is that you have been mislead by the RCC theology into believing that Infants should be baptised. Many denominations dedicate infants and have the parent promise as well as the congregation that they will ensure that the infant is taught about Christ and that, through Him, they can gain their own salvation.

Matthew 19:14
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
 

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We put on Christ by baptism

become members of christ with initiation in the new covenant by baptism

born again by baptism

why refuse eternal life to infants?

All people including infants
Lk 1:10
Jn 1:29
Jn 3:16
 

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@theefaith,

Unless you come to the conversation prepared to learn, then any conversation with you is difficult to continue because we do discern that all you want to do is talk at us and not with us. As such your mind is closed to learning the truth.

It is best that we simple say, "Goodbye," to each other and hope for a better conversation with each other at another time.
 
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We put on Christ by baptism

become members of christ with initiation in the new covenant by baptism

born again by baptism

why refuse eternal life to infants?

All people including infants
Lk 1:10
Jn 1:29
Jn 3:16
Luk 1:10 And the whole multitude of the people were praying outside at the hour of incense. ...what has this to do with baptism?

Joh 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! ...what has this to do with baptism?

Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. ...and this? Baptism?
...ever heard of the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
Luk_3:16 John answered them all, saying, “I baptize you with water, but he who is mightier than I is coming, the strap of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Blessings
Johann
 

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@theefaith,

Unless you come to the conversation prepared to learn, then any conversation with you is difficult to continue because we do discern that all you want to do is talk at us and not with us. As such your mind is closed to learning the truth.

It is best that we simple say, "Goodbye," to each other and hope for a better conversation with each other at another time.
Luk 1:10 And the whole multitude of the people were praying outside at the hour of incense. ...what has this to do with baptism?

Joh 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! ...what has this to do with baptism?

Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. ...and this? Baptism?
...ever heard of the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
Luk_3:16 John answered them all, saying, “I baptize you with water, but he who is mightier than I is coming, the strap of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Blessings
Johann

John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance only in preparation for the Christian sacrament of baptism including the HS and is how the merits of Christ’s blood are applied to our souls!

Jn 3:16 means correct faith
And all Christ revealed and His church teaches including mk 16:16
Faith and baptism
Acts 2:38 baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith and baptism

btw if the apostles only preached faith alone and Philip preached Jesus to the eunuch, how did the eunuch know about baptism?

Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17

Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15