Can you be saved if you don't believe in the diety of Christ?

[Desire Of All Nations]

As i've mentioned plenty of times before, the nature of God is supposed to be easy to understand, and it is.

It is? If God can fit into my three pound brain and I can fully "exegete" Him, then he is not worthy to be worshiped

"But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." - 2 Cor. 11:3

Paul warned the Corinthians to be on guard against a counterfeit Jesus(verse 4), which would no doubt include the trinitarian idea of Jesus because it confuses people about God(1 Cor. 14:33).

So yes, a Christian can and should know the nature of God since that is the only way anybody can ever have a relationship with Him. The Bible says Abraham and Moses were friends of God, so that obviously means they understood the nature of God. You can't have that kind of relationship with someone when they hide who they really are from you.

 

[Johann]

Paul warned the Corinthians to be on guard against a counterfeit Jesus(verse 4), which would no doubt include the trinitarian idea of Jesus because it confuses people about God(1 Cor. 14:33).

So yes, a Christian can and should know the nature of God since that is the only way anybody can ever have a relationship with Him. The Bible says Abraham and Moses were friends of God, so that obviously means they understood the nature of God. You can't have that kind of relationship with someone when they hide who they really are from you.

You "know" God? Or are you known/yada by God?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Jesus does not agree with your ideas, Mark 16:15-16 ; Matthew 28:19
And He said, Go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature...

According to Jesus, as part of the “sign of his presence” (not his “coming”) he said....
“14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.” (Matthew 24:14 ESV)
Can you tell me exactly what “the gospel of the kingdom” is? Can you tell me exactly what God’s Kingdom is in real terms using the scriptures to explain...?

I will be interested in your reply.

Paul does not agree with you,
1Corinthians 15:1-4 ; Acts 2:36

2Timothy 4:2
Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all long suffering and teaching.

Who has ‘preached the word’ in the good times and bad times? Who is out there doing as Jesus commanded his disciples.....
“11 And whatever town or village you enter, find out who is worthy in it and stay there until you depart. 12 As you enter the house, greet it. 13 And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it, but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.” (Matthew 10:11-15 - ESV)

To whom did the disciples preach...and how did they do it? Wasn’t it to those who already thought that they worshipped the true God? Didn’t the disciples have to go and search for these “worthy” ones among those people? Wasn’t there great resentment whipped up by the religious leaders because they were being exposed as lying, hypocritical frauds by the preaching of Jesus? Who did the majority believe? Who put Christ to death? Why did the people say....“Let his blood come upon us and upon our children.”? (Matthew 27:25)
Who gave them that conviction?

When was the last time a member of any church searched for you to offer the “gospel (good news) of the kingdom” and who are part of a united global brotherhood who are all doing the same in every nation?.....and who are hated and persecuted by those who claim to worship the same God? (John 15:18-21)

History is repeating right under your nose, and yet you cannot see it.....it is just as Jesus said it would be....the “weeds” took over the world, having gained enormous power even over the rulers of their nations, with the result that the “wheat” were almost choked out of existence.
Only at “the time of the end” was God going to ‘cleanse, and purify’ a people who would gain much knowledge and be blessed with insight and understanding. (Daniel 12:4, 9-10)

Those people have been in the world for over 100 years now, and they have done exactly what Jesus told them to do. The churches simply make excuses for why they have not obeyed Christ’s command, and since he promised to be “with” them until the end, what is their excuse? It is not a work that can be done without the aid of God’s spirit. So there is no saying they “can’t” do it...only that they “won’t”.

 

[Aunty Jane]

You "know" God? Or are you known/yada by God?

“Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you.” JAMES 4:8.

 

[Titus]

Those people have been in the world for over 100 years now,

Give book chapter and verse that teaches these so called "enlightened ones" by JW like yourself have received this latter day revelation?

I await your reply to be honest and admit you are a polytheist who believes in angels as little gods.
And other created beings as gods.

Jude 3-4
Beloved while I was diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 1:6-8
I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel.
Which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

 

[MatthewG]

Where does the Bible say you are saved by believing the gospel?

Born again Jn 3:5 is baptismal regeneration

Faith alone apart from the sacraments
Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one act of “faith alone”???


Baptism!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!

This is all that is required.


And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. - 1 John 3:23

According to John writing to his audience of believer he makes mention of this. To believe in the Son, and to love. Faith and love is all that is required. That entails having love for God first, and love for other people in this life as you live by the Holy Spirit which John the Baptist said would be given by Jesus Christ.

“Everyone was expecting the Messiah to come soon, and they were eager to know whether John might be the Messiah. John answered their questions by saying, “I baptize you with water; but someone is coming soon who is greater than I am—so much greater that I’m not even worthy to be his slave and untie the straps of his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:15-16‬ ‭NLT‬‬


“They replied, “We want to perform God’s works, too. What should we do?” Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.””
‭‭John‬ ‭6:28-29‬ ‭NLT‬‬


It is always going to be about having faith in the Gospel of Christ, death, burial and resurrection. Having love for God and love for other.

The simplicity of Jesus Christ and being in him, is simple. We suffer with Christ as we go along trusting and having faith. The Christian life is not perfect, or the easiest thing to do.

There is also the option to grow in becoming deeply rooted in the knowledge of God and Christ if you desire it, and to put in the effort.

That choice is yours.


“In view of all this, make every effort to respond to God’s promises. Supplement your faith with a generous provision of moral excellence, and moral excellence with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with patient endurance, and patient endurance with godliness (devotion to God), and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love for everyone.

The more you grow like this, the more productive and useful you will be in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

But those who fail to develop in this way are shortsighted or blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their old sins. So, dear brothers and sisters, work hard to prove that you really are among those God has called and chosen. Do these things, and you will never fall away. Then God will give you a grand entrance into the eternal Kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1:5-11‬ ‭NLT‬‬


“You already know these things, dear friends. So be on guard; then you will not be carried away by the errors of these wicked people and lose your own secure footing. Rather, you must grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. All glory to him, both now and forever! Amen.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:17-18‬ ‭NLT‬‬

Faith and works love; for love is paramount.

Love defined biblically : 1 Corinthians 13

in Christ,
Matthew Gallagher

 

[Aunty Jane]

Give book chapter and verse that teaches these so called "enlightened ones" by JW like yourself have received this latter day revelation?

I never said that there was any 'latter day revelation'....I said what Daniel 12:4, 9-10 indicates regarding the "time of the end"....
"But as for you, Daniel, keep these words secret and seal up the book until the end of time; many will roam about, and knowledge will increase. . . . . And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for these words will be kept secret and sealed up until the end time. 10 Many will be purged, cleansed, and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand." (NASB)

If you knew your Bible you would know that Daniel's prophesies are about the time we are living in right now.
What we are seeing in the world and all down through history is included in Daniel's prophesies, beginning in his own day with the Jewish exiles in Babylon. Daniel foretold that a march of world powers would follow the overthrow of the mighty Babylonian Empire by one that God had named some 200 years before..."Cyrus" King of Medo-Persia (Isaiah 44:27-28).....Greece was next, followed by Rome, who held power in Jesus' day. But two more world powers were to follow.....Britain and later, the USA who formed a dual alliance in "the time of the end". In the days of these last two allied ruling powers, the God of heaven was to set up his Kingdom by crushing all failed human rulership out of existence, and replacing them as the world's only governing power. (Daniel 2:44)

So the time of the end was not a time of dramatic revelations, but a gradual awakening and a desire to clean up what Christendom had sullied for centuries. A "purging" and "cleansing" were required, but the majority chose to cling to their long cherished errors. "Few" would be found on the road to life. (Matthew 7:13-14)

I await your reply to be honest and admit you are a polytheist who believes in angels as little gods.
And other created beings as gods.

If that is what you think I believe then you have not read a thing I have said.....that happens when you don't listen, or have any desire to understand anything different to what you already believe. It is not up to me to change anyone's mind....only God can do that.
I once believed what you believe but my mind was not "blinded". (2 Corinthians 4:3-4) Too many things just did not ring true.

Jude 3-4
Beloved while I was diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Yes.... certain men did creep in, "unnoticed", but so long ago that the lies gradually became truth and now the majority accept them just like the Jews in Jesus day accepted what the Pharisees taught....Jesus called it "leaven" a corrupting agent. (Luke 12:1) He said their worship was "in vain" because they had substituted the traditions of men for God's word. (Matthew 15:7-9)

No one is denying that Jesus is our Lord and Savior.....we are denying that he is the Lord God (Jehovah).....something that he never once said he was.

Galatians 1:6-8
I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel.
Which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

Those who did that in the dim dark past have already been 'accursed'. Perverting the gospel took place centuries ago, but they kept on adding to the corruption until Christ no longer accepted them as his disciples. Its those who keep perverting it in this age of enlightenment who will not fare well. (Matthew 7:21-23)

When do you think that the parable of the "wheat and the weeds" applied? The weeds were appearing even before the apostles passed away....so it isn't new. (Acts 20:30)
2 Peter 2:1-3...
"But false prophets also appeared among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. 2 Many will follow their indecent behavior, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; 3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep."

What is passed off as Christianity today, is nothing close to the Christian faith that was promoted by Jesus and his apostles. What Christendom has today is a watered down version of Roman Catholicism. The RCC was mandated as the state religion by a pagan Roman Emperor who had a direct hand in formulating its dodgy doctrines. Protestantism did not return to original Christianity, but merely built another house from the same basic materials.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3...
"Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, regarding the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure.. . . 3 No one is to deceive you in any way! For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction".

The apostasy was to come....and it did, but it was introduced so gradually, that no one seemed to notice, and hence people accepted the counterfeit "weeds" as the real "Christian wheat". Jesus will have to be the one to set things straight.....he is the appointed judge.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

No. If Jesus is not God, He cannot be your Lord and Savior either. Only God as Man could die for the sins of the whole world, and rise again on the third day.

There are some things that are impossible for God, one of those things is that God can't die. The True God YHWH is from everlasting to everlasting, which means he has no beginning or end.
The scriptures are very clear that when it comes to death, man has no superiority than the animals. Just as when an animal dies he goes back into the ground and ceases to exist, so does man. The only hope mankind has when persn dies is if God has judged a person worthy of a resurrection. Which means God will remember them when the resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous begins. If a person is in Gods memory then to God you're still living.
If God died then who resurrected Jesus. The scriptures say that God resurrected Jesus that's what I believe, so obviously God didn't die.

 

[Taken]

Matthew, if satan is already defeated then why is the world in such a mess. With the coming of Christ will be the end of corrupt human rulership.....and the introduction of his kingdom. (Daniel 2:44)

Satan is already defeated, Because;
1) The occupants of this Whole world have already been Given:
~ Gods Truth -Word - Jesus
~ Jesus’ Pure Blood Sacrifice -For Forgiveness
~ Gods Power -Christ -For Transformation And Reconciliation.

2) The mess, continues, Because;
Not all occupants Of this World, reach out and Claim / Take that which God has provided For the whole world.

It is the same concept, from the very beginning, regarding Adam in the Garden...
God provided “the Tree Of Life”...yet Adam “at that time did Not reach out and take and eat of that Tree.”

Gen 2:
[9] And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Gen 3:
[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Many men, hear, taste, believe, reject.
Some men, hear, believe, but do Not commit.
Some, rejectors promote rejection.
Few men, hear, taste, believe, eat...ie commit by vow of their Heartful thought and word.
My perspective;
^ Those Are FREEWILL decisions men Make while alive in their flesh bodies.
-Rejectors are doomed.
-Promoting Rejectors (Wicked) are doomed, and shall suffer Gods vengeance.
-Eaters “In Christ” are assured to be not approved to end of days wrath and bodily called up to the Lord and rein with Christ during 1,000 yr reign.
- believers, Not Converted, Are Soul Saved at their physical death, raised up, unto God in glory, by God, After the 1,000 yr reign, ie the first resurrection. <- perhaps applicable to your dad?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Titus]

I never said that there was any 'latter day revelation'....I said what Daniel 12:4, 9-10 indicates regarding the "time of the end"

You did not say latter day revelation but you taught only your church which came into existence in recent times has rediscovered the truth of Gods word, thus the NWT was created by the watch tower.

Here you are claiming the prophecy of Daniel only now by JW's enlightenment understand.
Show me how you prove your claim, within the last 100 years, from scriptures? The scriptures teach this nowhere! Only you are claiming within the last 100 years. That is latter day prophecy.

Only at “the time of the end” was God going to ‘cleanse, and purify’ a people who would gain much knowledge and be blessed with insight and understanding. (Daniel 12:4, 9-10)

Those people have been in the world for over 100 years now,

Prove with scripture your latter day revelation of your people being the enlightened ones that have only been in the world for over 100 years? That number is made up by the Watch Tower!

Where does the Bible teach Jesus is the Arch angel Michael?
More made up JW doctrine.

The NWT perverts John 1:1 to fit their false doctrine that claims the Bible never says Jesus is God.
John 1:1 NKJV
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

Now the NWT perversion of John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was a god.

That is why the NWT was created to pervert the Bible to make it say what the watch tower wants it to say!
Now you claim you are not a polytheist. Your Bible shows you most certainly are.Jesus is God!

Aunty Jane has denied God over and over. There is no hope for you Aunty Jane. So, so sad.

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of peace.

Ephesians 2:4
For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one and has broken down the middle wall of seperation,

1John 2:1
My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate(Counselor) with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

Jesus is proclaimed God all throughout the sacred scriptures!

2Thessalonians 3:12;16
Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread.
-Now may the Lord of peace Himself give you peace always in every way. The Lord be with you all.

 

[theefaith]

Paul warned the Corinthians to be on guard against a counterfeit Jesus(verse 4), which would no doubt include the trinitarian idea of Jesus because it confuses people about God(1 Cor. 14:33).

So yes, a Christian can and should know the nature of God since that is the only way anybody can ever have a relationship with Him. The Bible says Abraham and Moses were friends of God, so that obviously means they understood the nature of God. You can't have that kind of relationship with someone when they hide who they really are from you.

can you be a Christian and reject the Christian doctrines of the divinity of Christ and the trinity?

If Jesus is not God how can he be adored and worshipped?

 

[theefaith]

Faith and works love; for love is paramount.

Love defined biblically : 1 Corinthians 13

in Christ,
Matthew Gallagher

you forgot a few

mk 16:16
Jn 6:51
And
Sacraments instituted by Christ for the salvation of souls!

It’s not a do it yourself religion!
It’s not a bible study!

It’s a covenant!

Not by “faith alone”
“Faith alone” not biblical
You may think “Accept Jesus Christ as you personal Lord and savior” is biblical but there is no such verse in your bible!

Faith and the sacraments in the church founded by the authority Christ on Peter and the apostles is biblical!

Faith and baptism is the biblical initiation into the new covenant and member is Christ and His holy church!
Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

You cannot enter a covenant by “faith alone” must be a ritual outward sign!
Faith and baptism! Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Merits of christ’s passion, death, and precious blood are applied in the sacraments! Jn 1:16

Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Romans 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Lk 1: 72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 1:18 & Jn 10:16 one fold

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Christ and His church are one: acts 9 why persecute me?

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


Sacraments are the fruit of the sacrifice!
The holy sacrifice of Christ, His passion, blood, and death producing unlimited fruits of divine grace, actual and sanctifying grace! Jn 1:29 Jn 1:16-17 Jn 10:10


“This promise” (sacred oath of God or sacrament) of the Father acts 2:38-39 with reference to ez 36:25-27 Also a mystery Mk 4:11 Eph 5:32 eph 6:19 1 Tim 3:9 3:16 Col 1:27 2:2 4:3

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Heb 7:21 For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
(Oath = sacrament)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Based on Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation

Better covenant on better promises

2 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Life of supernatural grace merited by Christ in His passion and death!

An oath to sacramental life in the new covenant in union with the mediator and communion with God, and the saints!

Promise of the Father acts 2:23-39
Promise is an oath and an oath is a sacrament! This promise of the sacrament of baptism refers to ez. 36:25-27

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!

Jn 1:5-5 abide in Him, apart from Him you can do nothing.

Jn 10:10 life, (grace more abundantly)
Jn 1: 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 1:16-17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
(Thru faith and the sacraments!)

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @theefaith,

You sure do know a lot of scripture.

Faith and love is what it will boil down too.

For when you and me die and we have our 'rapture' experience of traversing from this world unto the realm of God - I believe the judgement has to deal with - Faith and love. Did you have faith, and did you love as Jesus Christ had given command?

You might disagree but that is what I full heartily believe.

In Christ,
Matthew Gallagher

 

[theefaith]

Hello @theefaith,

You sure do know a lot of scripture.

Faith and love is what it will boil down too.

For when you and me die and we have our 'rapture' experience of traversing from this world unto the realm of God - I believe the judgement has to deal with - Faith and love. Did you have faith, and did you love as Jesus Christ had given command?

You might disagree but that is what I full heartily believe.

In Christ,
Matthew Gallagher

faith hope and charity
1 cor 13:13

But baptism is the initiation into the new covenant body of Christ
Mk 16:16
Ez 36:25-27
Acts 8:36-39

 

[MatthewG]

You know what you are talking about, keep rooted in Christ and sharing, @theefaith.
No one gotta prove anything to me brother/sister, everyone has their own relationship with God, and many people here already know Christ Jesus.
You take care brother/sister.

 

[theefaith]

You know what you are talking about, keep rooted in Christ and sharing, @theefaith.
No one gotta prove anything to me brother/sister, everyone has their own relationship with God, and many people here already know Christ Jesus.
You take care brother/sister.

communion of saints with the same faith & baptism
There are no personal “faith alone” covenants

 

[MatthewG]

8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast.…


That is all I know. It is about Faith, and love (is the works). :) The biblical definition of love is found in 1 Corinthians 13.

I am thankful to be saved by grace through faith. Which is a gift of God, and it is not of myself. Knowing I have no right to boast, but only in the Lord Jesus Christ, and what is able to do in delivering us from the bondage of sin and death and lead us to a new spiritual life lead by the spirit, in which Jesus sends the Holy Spirit from God.

You always say that "There is no personal faith alone" - I would say think again.

 

[Johann]

communion of saints with the same faith & baptism
There are no personal “faith alone” covenants

Just showed you the scriptures...no baptism with water in order to be justified, how do you explain that?

 

[Titus]

Where does the Bible say you are saved by believing the gospel?

Born again Jn 3:5 is baptismal regeneration

Faith alone apart from the sacraments
Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one act of “faith alone”???


Baptism!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!

Can one be scripturally baptized without faith?

 

[Jim B]

Can one be scripturally baptized without faith?

No, which is why sprinkling an infant is not valid.