Blind Guides and Deluded Followers

[Ronald Nolette]

I know what I know. Whether you agree or not doesn't change that. My interpretation fits with other scripture that talks about an offer (the gospel offer) that first went out to certain people (the Jews) before later going out to other people (the Gentiles). To me, it is very obvious as to what the parable is about and what it means.

So you know what you know! I think we have reached the end. I can only say this, you interpret as you see fit, and we will let teh Lord judge if your opinions of HIs word are right or wrong.

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Have the last word if you wish.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The wedding guests are those saints outside of the church who are saved but not part of the church. This would be all saints who died before Pentecost and all saints who got saved after teh rapture. They are the guests of teh Father to teh wedding feast of Jesus and his bride the church.

I thought you said you agreed with me when I said the parable is about how the gospel first went out to the Jews before then going out to the Gentiles as the book of Acts describes? Apparently not. I couldn't possibly disagree more with you on this. But, it's time to agree to disagree.

It's obvious to me that the parable is about how the gospel offer of salvation first went to the Jews, who mostly rejected it and then it went to the Gentiles.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord. 45 When the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy. They began to contradict what Paul was saying and heaped abuse on him. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.

John 3:29
He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

John knew He was not pat of teh bride.

This is faulty logic. You can be both His friend and part of His bride at the same time. Are you not His friend?

John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.

Jesus considers those who obey Him and love Him to be His friends. That would include you and me. Yet, we are also part of His bride. Trying to say that you can only be one or the other contradicts what Jesus Himself taught.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you know what you know!

Yes, I do. And I know that you don't have a clue as to what Matthew 22:1-14 is about.

I think we have reached the end. I can only say this, you interpret as you see fit, and we will let teh Lord judge if your opinions of HIs word are right or wrong.

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Have the last word if you wish.

Proverbs 14:12 is talking about an unsaved person. A person who doesn't belong to God. Do you somehow not know that or are you saying that you think I'm not saved?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes, I do. And I know that you don't have a clue as to what Matthew 22:1-14 is about.

Glad you are so adept at mindreading! NOT!

Proverbs 14:12 is talking about an unsaved person. A person who doesn't belong to God. Do you somehow not know that or are you saying that you think I'm not saved?

It doesn't say jusrt unsaved men. Even saved indiviuals c an follow their own ideas and lead to a path of death

But I said I was done. I apologize- still have the last word if you wish. I am through. YOu rewrite scripture and presume to know peoples minds based on your ego. I cannot argue against your own private version of the bible.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Glad you are so adept at mindreading! NOT!

I used to say "NOT!" all the time when I was an immature kid. I guess you just haven't grown up yet.

It doesn't say jusrt unsaved men. Even saved indiviuals c an follow their own ideas and lead to a path of death

You show your lack of discernment by not understanding that Proverbs 14:12 is not talking physical death. Everyone dies physically whether they live the right way (God's way) or not. But, this is talking about living a certain way that leads to death while living the right way does not. So, it should be clear that it's talking about spiritual death there. Being separated from God. People think they know the truth and go their own way instead of going God's way and that eventually leads to the second death (Revelation 20:15).

But I said I was done. I apologize- still have the last word if you wish. I am through. YOu rewrite scripture and presume to know peoples minds based on your ego. I cannot argue against your own private version of the bible.

I am not the only one who interprets Matthew 22:1-14 the way I do. Many people interpret it the same way. I have never seen anyone else who interprets it the way you do. So, which of us is using their own private version of the Bible? That would be you.

 

[Timtofly]

I care less what some say. I care what the bible says and it explicitly says the bride is the church and the groom Jesus.


All this is just more human speculation meant to seek to muddy the clear teaching of Scripture.

1 Corinthians 12:12-27

"For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ."

"Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular."

Romans 12:5

So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

Ephesians 4:12-16

"For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"

"But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love."

 

[Ronald Nolette]

1 Corinthians 12:12-27

"For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ."

"Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular."

Romans 12:5

So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

Ephesians 4:12-16

"For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"

"But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love."

Correct and all these are referring to the church which began at Pentecost and ends at the rapture.

All other believers are saved but not part of the bride of Christ.

 

[Timtofly]

Correct and all these are referring to the church which began at Pentecost and ends at the rapture.

All other believers are saved but not part of the bride of Christ.

The church as the body of Christ.

The church as the bride, comes down after the 1,000 years and the NHNE.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The church as the body of Christ.

The church as the bride, comes down after the 1,000 years and the NHNE.

Before the millenial. but I look to see your Scripture to support the church staying in heaven during the millenial. Remember we are talking about the wedding supper on earth.

 

[Timtofly]

Before the millenial. but I look to see your Scripture to support the church staying in heaven during the millenial. Remember we are talking about the wedding supper on earth.

Can you prove the entire church body is currently on the earth? There is not a single verse stating the church is on the earth as a whole body now, nor in the Millennium Reign of Christ. Why do we not see all the OT redeemed still on the earth?

In Hebrews 11, they only looked for a heavenly city, not an earthly one.

 

[tailgator]

…Coronal mass ejection does not cause the earthquakes,and fearful sights in the heavens..

War does.And your discussing blind guides.
The word of God is very clear as to what is causing the distress.


Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.




The object which causes great tribulation is not the sun.It is an object used by the armed forces of the north called the abomination of desolation
It is not the sun which causes desolation .





Mathew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Can you prove the entire church body is currently on the earth? There is not a single verse stating the church is on the earth as a whole body now, nor in the Millennium Reign of Christ. Why do we not see all the OT redeemed still on the earth?

In Hebrews 11, they only looked for a heavenly city, not an earthly one.

I never said the entire church is on earth now. We are in heaven and on earth.

 

[Keraz]

…Coronal mass ejection does not cause the earthquakes,and fearful sights in the heavens..

War does.And your discussing blind guides.
The word of God is very clear as to what is causing the distress.


Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.




The object which causes great tribulation is not the sun.It is an object used by the armed forces of the north called the abomination of desolation
It is not the sun which causes desolation .





Mathew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

You obviously haven't bothered to research Coronal Mass Ejections. Nukes cannot fulfil all the graphically Prophesied effects of the Lords Day of wrath.
No doubt about the blind guides and their deluded followers! That terrible Day will suddenly strike and people won't know what to do.

 

[tailgator]

You obviously haven't bothered to research Coronal Mass Ejections. Nukes cannot fulfil all the graphically Prophesied effects of the Lords Day of wrath.
No doubt about the blind guides and their deluded followers! That terrible Day will suddenly strike and people won't know what to do.

I don't need to read about a coronal mass ejection when my Lord tells me what causes the earthquakes and great signs in the heavens.

You should try listening to the Lord and leave your Ape descended scientists to their delusional thinking.

The Lord says plainly for anyone who has an ear to hear what causes the desolation.

Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

 

[Timtofly]

I never said the entire church is on earth now. We are in heaven and on earth.

Then if the church is removed, why would she return, as she is not on earth now?

The only return is mentined in Revelation 21 as the New Jerusalem.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Then if the church is removed, why would she return, as she is not on earth now?

The only return is mentined in Revelation 21 as the New Jerusalem.

To celebrate our wedding feast! We are Queen consort to King Jesus! We marry Him in heaven and celebrate the wedding feast on eath!

 

[Timtofly]

To celebrate our wedding feast! We are Queen consort to King Jesus! We marry Him in heaven and celebrate the wedding feast on eath!

Except you are 1,000 years too early. The wedding feast is with Israel at the start of the Millennial Kingdom, as now Jesus is King. The church does not just plop down as billions onto the streets of Jerusalem.

Jesus is not literally married to human individuals, but the concept of a called out assembly. Israel is that called out assembly on earth during the Millennium, not the church.

"Queen consort" is a human theology erroneously attached to a simple allegorical concept.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Except you are 1,000 years too early. The wedding feast is with Israel at the start of the Millennial Kingdom, as now Jesus is King. The church does not just plop down as billions onto the streets of Jerusalem.

Jesus is not literally married to human individuals, but the concept of a called out assembly. Israel is that called out assembly on earth during the Millennium, not the church.

"Queen consort" is a human theology erroneously attached to a simple allegorical concept.

Wrong. Teh feast is celebrating the marriage of Jesus to the church. Now if you wish to nit pick what it means when the bible simply calls it a marriage- you are anywhere from 0 to 100% wrong and no way to prove your opinion.

OT Israel, the Trib saints and the saved remnant of Israel are the guests invited to the wedding feast which is on earth for 1000 years.

 

[Timtofly]

Wrong. Teh feast is celebrating the marriage of Jesus to the church. Now if you wish to nit pick what it means when the bible simply calls it a marriage- you are anywhere from 0 to 100% wrong and no way to prove your opinion.

OT Israel, the Trib saints and the saved remnant of Israel are the guests invited to the wedding feast which is on earth for 1000 years.

The church is not married until the NHNE.

Revelation 21:2-4

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

Is this city empty then, because they all came down 1,000 years earlier?

The Millennium kingdom is for those redeemed between the Second Coming and the Millennium Kingdom.

The church is told to wait in heaven for a short while. But never said they come to the earth.

Is the marriage to the church; symbolic or to billions of individuals now on earth to procreate? What is the point to bring back billions to the earth? That will happen after the Millennium Kingdom. But the earth is to be subdued during the Millennium Kingdom not just filled from the very beginning with billions.

The OT redeemed and the NT redeemed come down in the New Jerusalem. No one who has already physically died comes back prior to the New Jerusalem. The city is large enough to hold billions of people.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The church is not married until the NHNE.

Revelation 21:2-4

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

Is this city empty then, because they all came down 1,000 years earlier?

The Millennium kingdom is for those redeemed between the Second Coming and the Millennium Kingdom.

The church is told to wait in heaven for a short while. But never said they come to the earth.

Is the marriage to the church; symbolic or to billions of individuals now on earth to procreate? What is the point to bring back billions to the earth? That will happen after the Millennium Kingdom. But the earth is to be subdued during the Millennium Kingdom not just filled from the very beginning with billions.

The OT redeemed and the NT redeemed come down in the New Jerusalem. No one who has already physically died comes back prior to the New Jerusalem. The city is large enough to hold billions of people.

So you are saying the new Jerusalem is actually the church??????

Your error is that you forget basic grammar that this passage is a metaphor. that is made clear by that little word "as".

The whole chapter describes the new Jerusalem. so you are saying the bride of Christ (the church) is transformed into a city with gates and walls and roads! Interesting!!

The Millenial kingdom happens about 60 days after Jesus returns. After he defeats the antichrist, gathers the elect from the four corners, judges the sheep and the goats, the kingdom begins. the millenial kingdom will be populated by the surviving trib saints and repopulate the earth.

The marriage is in heaven and we do not procreate- that is for the physical survivors of the trib.

Exactly what happens with the bride during the millenial is not specified. We are on earth for th emarriage supper which takes place on earth after our marriage in heaven (Rev.19) Jesus return (rev 19) and then the wedding feast occurs.

According to you the new Jerusalem is the bride and that means that the church is transformed into the New Jerusalem.