Behold
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We know of Jesus because of the Bible.
We learn how to be saved, because of the Bible.
The Bible is where God, Christ, The Cross, and our power and deliverance is found.
Its all by the Bible, as those words are God inspired.
Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author
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We know of Jesus because of the Bible.
We learn how to be saved, because of the Bible.
The Bible is where God, Christ, The Cross, and our power and deliverance is found.
Its all by the Bible, as those words are God inspired.
Behold
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What if you are an unbeliever, and love ?
So, you need to realize that "love one another" does not suggest or demand that you exist in Blind Tolerance.
See, your verse is not related to Political correctness or social justice or civil rights.
A lot of believers, worry about Love, while they are on a Forum spitting on the very word of God that told them to love.
Know anyone like that, St Steven?
So, St Steven, you have to notice who does that., as that person has some issues with the word of God., among other things.
The Word that John referred to is the Eternal Logos, it is a being, it it the Christ.
"In the beginning was the Word" is referring to Christ, the Eternal Logos,
He is the "Spoken Word" in that He spoke the worlds into existence, as Paul plainly told us.
The "Written Word" the Scripture is the Eternal Logos revealed to man through the Holy Spirit.
Restoration from the fall if man, not restoration as in universal salvation, that is not biblical and I challenge you to present it in Scripture.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, and WRONG.
Where did we get the Bible?
Misdirected by man-made doctrines.
Paper and ink? No, "God, Christ, The Cross, and our power and deliverance" FIND us.
Are you referring to an English translation? (none of which agree)
My goodness Brother, you are having a difficult time understanding the Scripture.
We would have no knowledge of Christ, not a clue of how to be saved without the "Written Word."
I wrote a topic on this some time ago. So...
The Word at the beginning was NOT Christ. The Word in the beginning was "the Word" in the beginning.
I know, I know... keep reading, I'll explain.
The church says "Jesus" (the eternal Son), I say no, not quite. IMHO
Consider this.
The man we know as Jesus was sent for a specific task, to fulfill a need.
Prior to that was the logos, (the reasoning or motive, intent) God became, BECAME flesh and dwelt among us.
This God-man was Jesus.
Briefly tell me where you think our Bible came from? Thank you.
I'm splitting hairs, but that's not how I see it.
The Word at the beginning was NOT Christ. The Word in the beginning was "the Word" in the beginning.
I know, I know... keep reading, I'll explain.
Christ was "the Word became flesh..." (and not before) BECAME... "the Word became..." ( therefore, was not prior)
As part of the godhead, yes. He WAS in the beginning... (part of the godhead)
The church says "Jesus" (the eternal Son), I say no, not quite. IMHO
Consider this.
The man we know as Jesus was sent for a specific task, to fulfill a need.
Prior to that was the logos, (the reasoning or motive, intent) God became, BECAME flesh and dwelt among us.
This God-man was Jesus.
A grand proclamation. (evangelical apologetics strike again)
Briefly tell me where you think our Bible came from? Thank you.
Questions: When was the New Testament written? Was anyone "saved" before then?
@Steven
Have you not read Heb. 1:1-2?
"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"
How do you think Christ has spoken to us, and by what means?
Have you not read Heb. 1:1-2?
"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"
How do you think Christ has spoken to us, and by what means?
No alert without proper username. (if you want that) There's a pull-down menu to select it.
I've read the whole book. Leather cover to leather cover. (moo)
You misspelled Sunday. (just kidding)
Well, he was here for starters. And he still speaks today. His sheep hear his voice and follow.
If you are reading the Bible to hear his voice, you have completely missed the point.
Don't feel too bad. Most haven't.
I didn't see any response to these questions.
Questions: When was the New Testament written? Was anyone "saved" before then?
BONUS questions: When was the NT canon finalized? How many canons are there now? Which one is right?
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Yes, I typed out your name not realizing the capital V at the time. Keep me straight on my spelling, I have no doubt you will.
Were you an English teacher at some point in time, or is that just a pet peeve.
The Bible questions can be contemplated as you read it on line, I don't care for that argument.
Digital features are very unforgiving. Calls for exactness. Mostly just ribbing you.
Not an English teacher. I do take writing seriously. I am a lyricist. (Motorist Sketchbook) And I enjoy writing on the forum.
I was a private college instructor teaching Graphic Design for nine years. My students needed a lot of help.
I was flabbergasted when I went back to school in my 50s and they told me I needed remedial English. Say what?
Further inquiry and they put me in the regular English classes.
When we did peer edits on papers I found the same thing as with my other design students.
I held an A average. But what I really loved was the teacher's "Latin of the day" word. Fascinating.
Very interested in etymology. (word origins)
Here's what they don't tell you at church. (the short version)
The New Testament canon is a collection of books that was voted on by the RCC in the fourth century.
The book of James nearly didn't make the cut.
The resultant work gave us three canons, The Catholic version, the Protestant version, and the Orthodox version.
Less popular canons also exist, if I remember correctly.
Translation work was highly influenced by Augustinian thought, which is why we have a Damnationist bias.
Most importantly, no one has the original manuscripts. We only have copies to work from.
Translators are left to stitch together what we do have and make their best, yet biased, guesses as to what was originally written.
I didn't know all of that about you, but I have always known you're a very intelligent person.
And how you made the connection with the UR boggles my mind. I think it may be a gene thing. lol
Yes, don't remind me of the origin of Scripture, it was my least desirable studies at BJU.
I graduated from Bob Jones with a B/A in theology and never cared for that subject at all, still don't, but they covered it quite well there.
Very interesting, thanks.
My parents met at BJU. My Mom is currently 93 yrs old.
On paper, I'm under-educated. I've done a lot of self-education.
And frankly, that was the point of school. To START the process of life-long learning.
Life circumstances set me up for UR.
I had a sister-in-law (raised in the church) that said she couldn't believe in a God that would send people to hell.
Which led to some soul-searching on my part. I wasn't satisfied with the standard dogma on the subject.
I was introduced to Fine Linen (username) and he recommended this book.
Christ Triumphant, by Thomas Allin
Christ Triumphant by Thomas Allin
That's a pet peeve I have with the church. This information was withheld from us.
All we got was Josh McDowell. (groan) Bad news.
Some think that a degree in Theology is some major thing, but what it actually does is prepare you to study the Scripture.
I was lucky to meet and study with some great men of God, at least in my opinion. My degree was basically a Study of the Scripture, specializing in the Formation of Biblical Doctrine, which I became fascinated with over time.
I suppose the reason that I admire Paul so, considering the knowledge of most Biblical Doctrine came from his pen.
quietthinker
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You appear to say the right words Behold.....yet in saying them, you miss the point
To reiterate, the point of the text is The Man.
Miss The Man and you can thrash around in the text till you look like the printed page and the first resurrection will pass you by.
Interesting comment.
Perhaps we can rule out ignorance as a cause for my "descent" into the "heresy" of UR.
I have read the whole Bible and studied much of it. Raised evangelical, former church elder and adult Bible teacher.
Pretty much know my stuff.
Unless I am overlooking something, that leaves deception as the cause? Some cite emotionalism.
As if I should just buckle up and face the hard facts about the horror of our loving God.
Say what?
What is your analysis?
Perhaps you don't know. Having already wrote that it "boggles" your mind.
What is my reward if I "repent"? Fear of a forever burning hell with no hope of escape? No thanks.
Tell me what it is about hell that you are so fond of. Seems so repulsive to me.
Yes. Otherwise Jesus could not have said to men whose entire lives were dedicated to study of it that they did not understand it and did not know God.
I agree. I have had communion with God that goes beyond the bible. Some people think the only way to know God is thru the bible. That simply is not correct. We have the Holy Spirit that teaches us to love God and love our neighbor. He also teaches us to obey the commandments.
It is nice to have the bible to refresh our memories about what the Holy Spirit has taught us. And for a history of our faith. But too many think it is the only source of revelation.
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