Biblical Mary

[BreadOfLife]

I said people Do not go to heaven...
LOL...that does not pervert John 3:13
LOL...John 3:13 does not say PEOPLE DO GO TO HEAVEN...

LOL... no BODY's (of PEOPLE, who ARE earthly humans) in heaven is precisely what John 3:13 means!

Any diligent student of Scripture KNOWS, BODY's of human men, are out of dust of the earth, and return to the dust of the earth...
They neither come down from heaven or go up to heaven....

IS YOUR FALSE CLAIM.
I said no such thing.
The ONLY THING YOU EXPOSE...
IS YOU...
Your expertise in Making false claims for others;
(Including the spiritually living and the bodily dead)
Your pride in thinking your false claims have some negative effect on others.

IFY- your WAYS are utterly rejected.
I find nothing interesting in what you say or do. Moreso sad.

WRONG again.

Enoch and Elijah are in Heaven, presumably with glorified bodies, having never experienced death.
Rev. 12:1 describes MARY with a compete Body in Heaven.

Those in Christ will ALL have glorified bodies in Heaven (1 Thess. 4:16-17).

 

[BreadOfLife]

Don't change the subject. I already corrected myself to your alter ego mungo how I conflated one subject wih this- do try to keep up to this uneducated rube won't you?
BTW:
Still waiting for you to show:
1. How I have born false witness to 1,000,000,000 Roman Cathoics
2. How I have lied about Romanism
3. The empirical evidence that defines a credible historical scholar.

Until then all your spewings are nothing more than verbal methane.

1. I've repeatedly explained to you that with EVERY LIE of yours that I expose - you have born FALSE witness against every Catholic.
The fact that you need further proof is only evidence of your abject ignorance.

2. You LIED about Semiramis and Nimrod being "married" because you couldn't provide historical proof for it.
You LIED when you said that the Semiramis/Nimros "marriage" from Encyclopedia Britannica - because I gave you a quote from that VERY source that debunked what you claimed.
You LIED about the Bishop's miter having to do with "Dagon worship" - an argument which myself and @Mundo have obliterated.
You LIE just by using the term "Romanism", as I have already proven, using YOUR dictionary reference that it is nothing more than a derogatory term.

3. I have REPEATEDLY given you the definition of "credible", which is unbiased historical documentation.
That fact that you keep denying that I told you this is evidence of yet ANOTHER LIE.

You couldn't tell the truth if your LIFE depended on it.
And, by the way - it DOES . . .

 

[Taken]

This was an event that was unique in all history
Do you think that God, who made us, was incapable acts as a fertilized egg?

Incapable...in Power No.
Incapable....in Will Yes.
There ARE things God can not do.

 

[Taken]

It only says“The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you". It doesn't go into an detail as to the exact mechanism of how God performed that miracle.

So you say. Scripture says otherwise.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Rainy day people always seem to know when it's time to call.
Rainy day people don't talk, they just listen till they've heard it all.
Rainy day lovers don't lie when they tell 'ya they've been down like you.
Rainy day people don't mind if you're cryin' a tear or two.
Gordon Lightfoot 1970
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[n2thelight]

Here's how I see scripture speak to me, Mary no doubt whatsoever was chosen, before the foundation of the world , ie, just like Paul was chosen ,and Jerimiah ,.. best way I can say it is that Mary didn't free will .

 

[Taken]

WRONG again.

No, not wrong again!

John 3:
[13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

"Enoch and

Elijah are in Heaven"

Which Heaven specifically?

Rev. 12:1

describes MARY with a compete Body in Heaven.

No. Wrong about Rev 12:1, same as you are Wrong about Gen 3:15.

Rev 12:1
[1] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

the twelve stars are 12 Tribes of the collective NATIONS of Israel.
the woman is the head government of the 12 Tribes of the NATIONS of Israel Reunited.

Gen 3:15
[15] And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Enmity is hostility BETWEEN:
thee spirit angels fallen from holiness
the woman is Earthly Nations.
thy seed fallen spirit angels
her seed human occupants of the Earthly Nations, divided.

Those in Christ will ALL have glorified bodies in Heaven (1 Thess. 4:16-17).

Not in dispute.
"WILL HAVE"...glorified bodies; has not yet occured.

(* Ever heard the modern term; Mother Earth?
* Ever heard of Nations referred to as "her", "she"?
* Ever noticed NATIONS war against NATIONS?
* Ever noticed "the enmity between" some Nations that embrace God, and some Nations that reject God?
* Ever learned WHY nations are referred to in the FEMALE sense, and not the MALE sense ?)

Mary was a human woman, who was naturally born in sin, of a human mans seed, like every other natural born human, who like many others expressly named in Scripture, when called into Service of the Lord God, Willingly Served the Lord God according to His Will.
Mary, being expressly Named IN Scripture, like others expressly Named IN Scripture ARE examples of humans WHO willingly Served the Lord God, according to the Lord God's Order and Way...and are expressly Remembered FOR their Service unto God "according" to His Order and Way and exemplary Examples for latter humans to learn about and DO the same, in ALSO willingly Serving the Lord God according to His Order and Way...and BE Blessed of the Lord God, as others specifically mentioned in Scripture, were Blessed for their Service unto the Lord God.

Mary is not a Nation, nor mother of Nations, nor Sinless, nor mother of God. She was a God created and made Earthly human and expressly mentioned Servant of God.
You should learn the difference.

 

[Mungo]

Incapable...in Power No.
Incapable....in Will Yes.
There ARE things God can not do.

Why was God incapable in will?

 

[Mungo]

So you say. Scripture says otherwise.

The you will be able (if unwilling) to show me that scripture.

 

[Taken]

Why was God incapable in will?

Because God IS Absolute HOLINESS, Pure Light, Absent of anything that is AGAINST that which is HOLY.

In other words, God CAN NOT STAND AGAINST HIMSELF.
He can not be Wrong
He can not Sin
He can not be "not" good
He can not be "not" righteous
He can not Lie.
He can not "not" BE eternal.
He can not "not" BE Holy.
He can not Sleep.
He can not Die.
He can not GIVE away His Glory.
He can not Send forth His WORD out of His mouth, and His WORD "not" be still IN Him.
Etc.

 

[Mungo]

Because God IS Absolute HOLINESS, Pure Light, Absent of anything that is AGAINST that which is HOLY.

In other words, God CAN NOT STAND AGAINST HIMSELF.
He can not be Wrong
He can not Sin
He can not be "not" good
He can not be "not" righteous
He can not Lie.
He can not "not" BE eternal.
He can not "not" BE Holy.
He can not Sleep.
He can not Die.
He can not GIVE away His Glory.
He can not Send forth His WORD out of His mouth, and His WORD "not" be still IN Him.
Etc.

None of that addresses my question.

 

[Taken]

The you will be able (if unwilling) to show me that scripture.

Clarify.
I was speaking specifically OF "HOW" a man knows exactly What God would do.
I also mentioned a man could study and learn "WHY" God does what he does.

You responded with one scipture regarding the Holy Spirit, and as the ONLY "how" knowledge.

I disagreed...

Are you now asking, of what is more knowledge of the "HOW" a man knows exactly WHAT, God WOULD do?

 

[Taken]

None of that addresses my question.

A mans Freewill, is mans option to Choose whatever he decides, BETWEEN...
Right and Wrong, True and False, etc.

Gods WILL is already decided...
Always Good, Always Righteous, Always True, Always Correct, etc.

 

[Taken]

And you just PROVED my point.
You claim that you're NOT an anti-Catholic - yet you just admitted that you ARE.

Not only that - you just referred to the Catholic Church as "Roman Catholicism".
Now - either you're REALLY dense - or you are lying because NOT all Catholics are "Roman" Catholics.

Oh good grief, you and your worn out holier that thou anti-Catholic tactic...

Scripture IS About those who are not WITH Christ are those Against "Him"...and are anti-Christs.

Climb off your podium, open your ears, listen;
No one is saying they are Against Catholic "people".
People are Against "Catholic teachings and doctrines".

Learn the truth, Accept the truth and get over it.

 

[Taken]

Another LIE - .
you failed miserably
You're a counterfeit and a fraud
I.. SPANKED . . .

And THAT ^ is how a (self-proclaimed) Catholic man attempts to get a Response from a non-Catholic.

Oh, oh, the fruit displayed.

 

[Mungo]

A mans Freewill, is mans option to Choose whatever he decides, BETWEEN...
Right and Wrong, True and False, etc.

Gods WILL is already decided...
Always Good, Always Righteous, Always True, Always Correct, etc.

Do you ever answer a simple question without prevaricating?
How is that reply to my question?
Do you think that God, who made us, was incapable acts as a fertilized egg?

 

[Mungo]

Clarify.
I was speaking specifically OF "HOW" a man knows exactly What God would do.
I also mentioned a man could study and learn "WHY" God does what he does.

You responded with one scipture regarding the Holy Spirit, and as the ONLY "how" knowledge.

I disagreed...

Are you now asking, of what is more knowledge of the "HOW" a man knows exactly WHAT, God WOULD do?

No I am not. My original statement was (and note the emboldening
It only says“The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you". It doesn't go into an detail as to the exact mechanism of how God performed that miracle.

You responded
So you say. Scripture says otherwise.

I replied
Then you will be able (if unwilling) to show me that scripture.

I think you have just shown that you are unwilling to share that scripture.
Do you ever answer a simple question without prevaricating?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

And you just PROVED my point.
You claim that you're NOT an anti-Catholic - yet you just admitted that you ARE.

Not only that - you just referred to the Catholic Church as "Roman Catholicism".
Now - either you're REALLY dense - or you are lying because NOT all Catholics are "Roman" Catholics.

And lying again doesn't make it so! I am anti-Catholicism not anti catholic. Do try to get that through your superior intellect skull please. Even an uneducated moron rube like me knows the difference.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Another LIE - big surprise . . .

No, you never "showed" us anything. You TOLD us that you had "other" references - but you failed miserably when called upon to provide those references. You're nothing short of a counterfeit and a fraud until you can provide those unbiased historical references.

UNTIL you can do that - a I stated before - consider yourself historically-SPANKED . . .

I gave them, maybe you had your nose so stuck up in the air you missed the posts I showed. Oh well your loss.

Spanks from you are badges of merit.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

1. I've repeatedly explained to you that with EVERY LIE of yours that I expose - you have born FALSE witness against every Catholic.
The fact that you need further proof is only evidence of your abject ignorance.

2. You LIED about Semiramis and Nimrod being "married" because you couldn't provide historical proof for it.
You LIED when you said that the Semiramis/Nimros "marriage" from Encyclopedia Britannica - because I gave you a quote from that VERY source that debunked what you claimed.
You LIED about the Bishop's miter having to do with "Dagon worship" - an argument which myself and @Mundo have obliterated.
You LIE just by using the term "Romanism", as I have already proven, using YOUR dictionary reference that it is nothing more than a derogatory term.

3. I have REPEATEDLY given you the definition of "credible", which is unbiased historical documentation.
That fact that you keep denying that I told you this is evidence of yet ANOTHER LIE.

You couldn't tell the truth if your LIFE depended on it.
And, by the way - it DOES . . .

Well unbiased is your definition. I want to know the standard accepted universal definition, not just what you call credible. and I want to know when you cite a source you know the authors are not biased in any way shgape or form. Yo opened this can of worms so now I want answers. Stop being coy and slimy. You know what is expected of you.

And oh snobbish one who believes He is a superior intellect like Khan on Stafr trek: I gave you answers for all and you act like I never did- that is intentional deception on you rpart!

And how does those false claims about me lying prove I lied about the catholic church?

How is that bearing false witness? Bearing false witness is lying about teh person or things they have done.

bear false witness To lie about or misrepresent the truth about some event, person, or thing. In common usage, it usually refers to perjury (telling a lie while under oath in a court of law) or to the Ninth Commandment in the Bible, from which the phrase is taken: "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."

YOu said I have borne false witness AGAINST 1,000,000,000 people! How have I misreperesented Catholics individually by showing you disagreements with your anal definition of who you will accept as "crfedible"