Biblical insights please?

[theefaith]

Is this supposed to mean something?

Is this supposed to mean something?

Ex 20 does not say there are ten
Vs 2-6 is the first commandment in context or content
Vs 7 is the second
Vs 8 is the third

 

[theefaith]

@theefaith you can prance around these boards and tell us that you are keeping all the commandment if you like, but we know that is impossible for man to do!

It was impossible for those under the Law! But they had something you don't have, they had an alter where they sacrificed the blood of an animal which represented faith in the Blood of Christ. That is where they found Grace and Mercy. That is no longer available for man now that we are under a New Covenant that Christ purchased with His Blood. In fact, God took the sacrifice from the Jews.

Yes, that's the Covenant that you deny!!!!! And also deny the one who gave it to us, Paul!!!!!!

You my friend, are standing naked before God in your sins without any hope at all!

Those under the Law were to do the best they could, and when they failed, they had that animal sacrifice to fall on for mercy. You with your half faith in your ability to keep the Commandments and half faith in the Grace of God, is no faith at all!

Now under this New Covenant anything less than 100% faith in Christ leaves you naked and guilty before God.

Did not James tell us that if are guilty of breaking one Commandment, you are guilty of all? Do you realize what that means? It means you are condemned by the Law to death, that is a Spiritual death, do you know what that means?

So if you are depending your ability to keep the Commandments you better go find an alter where God has established a priest to inspect your sacrifice and then offer it up for you in the Holy of Holies of the tabernacle.

Law keeping demands the ability to sacrifice the blood of animals (which represented Christ as the sacrifice) to stay in the Mercy and Grace of God.

Good Luck!

grace empowers us to keep the commandments rev 12:17

in the new covenant our priests ordained are by Christ at the last supper to offer the eternal sacrifice of Christ! Do we have grace and mercy!

Christ is high priest so there must be low priests!

how were you born again!
how did you put on Christ?
Can you be saved without a priest?

 

[theefaith]

This is a well-intentioned post; I hope that theefaith reads it and accepts what you have said but -- I have my doubts. He has swallowed the Catholic denomination's doctrine 110% and posts its teachings regularly. He is clearly antisemitic (not realizing that Jesus was a Jew) and goes on and on about "ever virgin" Mary and how the Catholic denomination is "the church".

Still, I hope that your post and your prayers will have some effect.

why do you confuse anti-Semitic with the Jews?

 

[theefaith]

Don't know. Ask Moses.

what is the second commandment?

I should ask those who Christ sent to teach all men!

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

 

[theefaith]

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Neither is a good choice. They're chock full of Catholicism instead of
straight out of the New Testament like the site I recommend.

Go To:
Christ's Laws

BTW: I was a Catholic for 24 years. I'm not about to go back down that road
again. No sir-ee Bob; never again! Me and The Church are permanently parted.
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You have rejected Christ?
Ok

There is only one true church!
One ark of salvation!

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20



Jesus is the truth!

Jn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

To know the truth it is required to know Jesus Christ!

The truth is not some thing but somebody! Jesus Christ!

The church was a the extension of this truth! 1 Tim 3:15
Must hear Christ thru his church! Matt 18:17

 

[theefaith]

I agree Faith.

worship requires

Adoration:
Propitiatory reparation:
(A priesthood offering a sacrifice)
Thanksgiving:
Petitions:

only the one true church founded by Christ can do this!

 

[Robert Gwin]

worship requires

Adoration:
Propitiatory reparation:
(A priesthood offering a sacrifice)
Thanksgiving:
Petitions:

only the one true church founded by Christ can do this!

Are you able to identify that faith Faith? Show me your scriptural identifiers sir

 

[Webers_Home]

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There is only one true church!

I am convinced in my own mind that the Roman Catholic Church is an
imposter, i.e. an identity thief.

"Man has the right to act in conscience, and in freedom, so as personally to
make moral decisions. He must not be forced to act contrary to his
conscience. Nor must he be prevented from acting according to his
conscience, especially in religious matters." (CCC 1782)
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[theefaith]

Are you able to identify that faith Faith? Show me your scriptural identifiers sir

Worship

Adoration: rev 7-12
Propitiatory reparation: Jn 1:29 rom 3:25
1 Jn 2:2 1 Jn 4:10
Thanksgiving: Phil 4:6
Petition: Phil 4:6

Spirit and truth:

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Lamb of God:

John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 cor 5:7 …For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Christ is Eternal priest:

Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Christ is High priest:

Heb 7:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Low priests / priesthood:

There must be low priests in the same order for a high priest to be over them. And the word in scripture “priesthood” is plural.

The holy sacrifice of Christ:

Holy sacrifice of Christ is offered eternally, the office of a priest is to offer sacrifice, Christ is eternal priest so He offers an eternal sacrifice! Both by the high priest and the low priesthood.

once for all:

once bloody on the cross and for all time unbloody sacrifice, pure offering or clean oblation.

Jesus Christ at the last supper ordained the apostles as priests in the order of melchisedec, to offer His eternal sacrifice as he commanded them; do this in memory of me.

Do this in remembrance of me!

Luke 22:19
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1 Corinthians 11:24
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1 Corinthians 11:25
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Malachi 1:11

For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

A pure offering:
A Clean oblation:
An Unbloody sacrifice:


New covenant Temple: the body of Christ! Jn 2:19
Ark of the new covenant: Lk 1:35
New covenant Sacrifice of Christ:
Acts 20:28 Eph 2:13 heb 9
heb 10:19
Priesthood of Christ: heb 7:17

 

[EloyCraft]

Are you able to identify that faith Faith? Show me your scriptural identifiers sir

I hope no one minds.
From the beginning the worship God accepts involves sacrifice Abel offered Sacrifice. Jewish worship was centered on animal sacrifices .

Jesus commands a peretual memorial and meal surrounding His Sacrifice to be done often.
Worship of God in the Judeo/Christian Tradition involves sacrifice. Worship in heaven surrounds the Lamb of God. The Mass; is worship on earth that surrounds the Lamb of God. Yeah, preaching and singing are praise of God.

 

[quietthinker]

I hope no one minds.
From the beginning the worship God accepts involves sacrifice Abel offered Sacrifice. Jewish worship was centered on animal sacrifices .

Jesus commands a peretual memorial and meal surrounding His Sacrifice to be done often.
Worship of God in the Judeo/Christian Tradition involves sacrifice. Worship in heaven surrounds the Lamb of God. The Mass; is worship on earth that surrounds the Lamb of God. Yeah, preaching and singing are praise of God.

Ever consider that having God as a mate cuts through all the formalities and brings one closer together than religious talk?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Worship

Adoration: rev 7-12
Propitiatory reparation: Jn 1:29 rom 3:25
1 Jn 2:2 1 Jn 4:10
Thanksgiving: Phil 4:6
Petition: Phil 4:6

Spirit and truth:

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Lamb of God:

John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 cor 5:7 …For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Christ is Eternal priest:

Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Christ is High priest:

Heb 7:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Low priests / priesthood:

There must be low priests in the same order for a high priest to be over them. And the word in scripture “priesthood” is plural.

The holy sacrifice of Christ:

Holy sacrifice of Christ is offered eternally, the office of a priest is to offer sacrifice, Christ is eternal priest so He offers an eternal sacrifice! Both by the high priest and the low priesthood.

once for all:

once bloody on the cross and for all time unbloody sacrifice, pure offering or clean oblation.

Jesus Christ at the last supper ordained the apostles as priests in the order of melchisedec, to offer His eternal sacrifice as he commanded them; do this in memory of me.

Do this in remembrance of me!

Luke 22:19
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1 Corinthians 11:24
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1 Corinthians 11:25
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Malachi 1:11

For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

A pure offering:
A Clean oblation:
An Unbloody sacrifice:


New covenant Temple: the body of Christ! Jn 2:19
Ark of the new covenant: Lk 1:35
New covenant Sacrifice of Christ:
Acts 20:28 Eph 2:13 heb 9
heb 10:19
Priesthood of Christ: heb 7:17

So, if you are trying to identify the faith Scripturally, then arrange these passages along with a plausible explanation of who God's people are. Is that what you are trying to do, as you kind of loset me Faith. You used many excellent passages, and some of them do apply to the identification of Jesus' disciples, so continue on sir.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I hope no one minds.
From the beginning the worship God accepts involves sacrifice Abel offered Sacrifice. Jewish worship was centered on animal sacrifices .

Jesus commands a peretual memorial and meal surrounding His Sacrifice to be done often.
Worship of God in the Judeo/Christian Tradition involves sacrifice. Worship in heaven surrounds the Lamb of God. The Mass; is worship on earth that surrounds the Lamb of God. Yeah, preaching and singing are praise of God.

Yes Eloy, God's people today are under a different covenant. Jesus sacrifice sufficed all sacrifices and our sacrifices today are different than our pre-Christian counterparts.

 

[EloyCraft]

Ever consider that having God as a mate cuts through all the formalities and brings one closer together than religious talk?

I don't have to consider that quietthinker. I experience it Because that pertains to a relationship between person's the truth of that is visible in my behavior.

 

[theefaith]

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I am convinced in my own mind that the Roman Catholic Church is an
imposter, i.e. an identity thief.

"Man has the right to act in conscience, and in freedom, so as personally to
make moral decisions. He must not be forced to act contrary to his
conscience. Nor must he be prevented from acting according to his
conscience, especially in religious matters." (CCC 1782)
_

what’s a CCC?

vatican 2 catechisms ain’t recognized!

In a Christian nation or kingdom only the Christian faith revealed by Christ can be permitted

 

[theefaith]

So, if you are trying to identify the faith Scripturally, then arrange these passages along with a plausible explanation of who God's people are. Is that what you are trying to do, as you kind of loset me Faith. You used many excellent passages, and some of them do apply to the identification of Jesus' disciples, so continue on sir.

without a temple, ark, priesthood, and sacrifice you cannot worship God!

 

[EloyCraft]

Ever consider that having God as a mate cuts through all the formalities and brings one closer together than religious talk?

I think I missed your meaning.. let me try again.bThe subtlety is beyond my payyrade

 

[quietthinker]

I think I missed your meaning.. let me try again.bThe subtlety is beyond my payyrade

no problem EC....I'm looking forward to your next try

 

[Robert Gwin]

without a temple, ark, priesthood, and sacrifice you cannot worship God!

You do understand that you are saying God has no real worshippers correct? What is your take on Isa 2:2,3 Faith?

 

[EloyCraft]

Ever consider that having God as a mate cuts through all the formalities and brings one closer together than religious talk?

I have. I believe that is the necessary ingredient for opening hearts to the Gospel.
Pagan nation weren't converted by doctrine. Missionary's went to Pagan people's to learn what they could do to ease suffering and serve. That's spreading God's love. Our witness for Christ that opens ears to hear. Thanks for reminding me of that.