Bob Estey
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I think you've got the bases covered if you obey the Ten Commandments and the two great commandments (Matthew 22:34-40).
Biblical insights please?
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Brakelite
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Except that @theefaith believes that only his church and the priests thereof have the authority to teach what those Commandments mean. If you read scripture, and you conclude from your reading and prayers that the Spirit is informing you too obey God's Commandments a certain way, which happens to differ from Rome, then you are a heretic, you are a rebel, you are lost and a danger to society and must be killed. That is the Catholic way as theefaith has stated many times. If you should however obey Rome in any one of those commandments, for example the 3rd, according to the Catholic catechism, then you are all good,, even though the 3rd commandment is a direct contradiction to the 4th in scripture. Whose authority are you surrendered to? The Pope, or Jesus?
Hidden In Him
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I think he's just a poor example of it is all. It's why despite not having anything against him personally I ignore TheeFaith's threads. I can't understand why others don't see they are getting played by a surface debater who wants nothing more than to use tricks to spread his Catholicism, but maybe some people just can't resist trying to "correct" him.
I miss Oz. Oz would actually post with some substance. Times change, I suppose.
Brakelite
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Well, I think that's debatable. I think from one perspective he's actually a breath of fresh air. He's an example of old school catholicism... I liken him to a resurrected inquisitor from the 13th century with an advanced degree on Trent philosophy that he channeled through a 16th century saint.
The other Catholics on this forum I have noticed have very little, if any, relationship with him. I have not decided yet why this might be. Perhaps he embarrasses them, because he's too 'Catholic' and old fashioned refusing to recognize the new liberal philosophy that they believe ought to be the real characteristic of modern catholicism. Or perhaps they believe he is too honest about what real catholicism is really all about and he's spilling the beans before the Vatican is ready to reveal it's true self.
Either way, I think he's doing protestantism a favor. This is what catholicism believes. They must for all the doctrine and mindset theefaith reveals is a genuine reflection of traditional Catholic teaching bound to remain the same because of infallibility. That's why theefaith rejects Vatican II believing it is a contradiction to Trent, which he considers the true declaration of Catholic teaching and philosophy. And he's right. It may not appear to be, and he would likely disagree with me on this, but Trent was a Jesuit declaration of war against protestantism... And this current pope is Jesuit. He appears to be liberal and loving and friendly to everyone, but that is the out front image intended for the masses. But he's still a Jesuit... And he would never have been chosen as Pope if he had even in the slightest moved away from Jesuit philosophy and mindset. And if one looks behind the mainstream headlines and applies prophecy to what is taking place in the Vatican and around the world at the behest and under the guidance of Francis, then the real Jesuit, and old Jesuit, agenda is clearly revealed. And theefaith, consciously or not, is reading perfectly from the Jesuit playbook. Even to the theater and hegelian dialectic between himself and the other Catholics on this site... Thesis/ antithesis. Left/right. Conservative/ liberal.
Webers_Home
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Neither is a good choice. They're chock full of Catholic baloney instead of
straight out of the New Testament like the site I recommend.
Go To:
Christ's Laws
BTW: I was a Catholic for 24 years. I'm not about to go back down that road
again. No sir-ee Bob; never again! Me and The Church are permanently parted.
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Neither is a good choice. They're chock full of Catholic baloney instead of
straight out of the New Testament like the site I recommend.
Go To:
Christ's Laws
BTW: I was a Catholic for 24 years. I'm not about to go back down that road
again. No sir-ee Bob; never again! Me and The Church are permanently parted.
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Hidden In Him
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Well that's certainly getting a lot deeper into TheeFaith than I've ever looked. He's constantly playing people and creates threads deliberately designed to goad non-Catholics into petty debate, which I don't have any taste for. For all his rudeness, BOL was different in that he was a defender of Catholicism against anyone he thought was slandering it in any way. From Day 1 this one has been creating threads specifically designed to incite divisiveness and debate on Catholic issues without actually doing much of it himself except giving curt, one sentence answers which then incited people to respond to his threads even more. It's pure game playing instead of teaching, which I called him on weeks into his joining here. He blew me off just like he blows everyone else off, and continues to do so to this day.
I see no reward in eternity for a man who did nothing but incite debate and religious strife. His involvement in this forum since the first day he joined until now has been a spiritual travesty of sorts.
Hidden In Him
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Look at the title of this thread. It's pure game-playing. He's not looking for "Biblical Insights, Please." Look at his responses to people when they post. He's lying through his teeth, and most of his threads are like this now.
I'm saying I've known Catholics who were much better witnesses to their faith (Phillip, for instance, and others I have known in person). What he thinks he is accomplishing is a mystery to me. It is a complete rejection of the golden rule.
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Bob Estey
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I am not Catholic, so I don't know much about their way of doing things. It seems to me the Ten Commandments are rather straightforward. What is this about the third commandment being a direct contradiction of the 4th?
quietthinker
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I doubt you have any interest in biblical insights tf. What I am persuaded you have is the desire to bait people for the purpose of introducing your tangled mess of the doctrines of men.
Brakelite
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Prophecy, specifically...
KJV Daniel 7:25
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
... Informs us that there would be a power who would think to change times and laws. We know that in the world of politics, empires and nations all alike change and establish laws according to their particular agendas, whether in democracies, tyrannies, oligarchies, or kingdoms... Thinking to, and actually changing law is no big deal. So this prophecy had to be about something more than day to day law changing as in the politics of a nation. And that the above power only thought, but didn't actually accomplish any changes, is also pertinent. God is here warning and talking about a power that would think to change His laws, in particular the ones He wrote on stone. Of course no-one has the power or the authority to change God's laws, though they may think about it and even take steps to inaugurate such an action, but such intent is a vain enterprise and God will not be moved from that which He established Himself.
The Catholic catechism, like the Bible, lists 10 commandments. In the catechism however the second Commandment with respect to graven images has been removed. The number 10 is retained by their dividing of the 10th into 2, thus moving the 3rd to 2nd, the 4th to 3rd, etc etc. They also in the 5th century officially changed the day of rest from the Sabbath on the 7th day, to the 1st day, Sunday. The Sabbath had been kept up to that time by nearly all churches outside of Rome and Alexandria, which has been attested to by many historians. This change is the day of rest was enforced by the Papacy over the centuries, through church councils and persecution of dissenters, and bequeathed to protestantism, the reformers not coming fully out of the church until the 19th century
Thus the little horn thought to change times and laws. The times can not only be connected to the Sabbath/Sunday issue, but also to the hermeneutic by which those that read scripture were to understand prophecy. Until the 16 century most scholars used the historicist method off interpretation, and in doing so the reformers were able to accurately identify the Catholic Church as fulfilling the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation, one of which is referred to above, although as I said, that the tourneys didn't recognize. (There are more than 10 specific details or criteria that the Papacy fulfills to the letter). Those prophecies identify the Antichrist that would persecute God's people, and so it was.
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---Love others as I have loved you
---Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness
---bear one another's burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ.
---enter by the straight gate
---When you enter a room take the lowest place
---No one who looks back is worthy of Me.
---lose you life to save it.
Brakelite
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Hunger and thirst for righteousness, and be filled....
Don't worry about tomorrow...
Come into Me all ye that labor, and I will give you rest...
KJV Revelation 3:17-18
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
where does scripture say which is the 3rd or fourth????
Here ends the first commandment ex 20:2-6 and here begins the second ex 20:7
that’s not in scripture
ex 20 does not even say they are only Ten Commandments
a temple
An ark
A priesthood
A sacrifice
adoration:
Propitiatory reparation:
Thanksgiving:
Petition:
not some Pentecostal praise non-sense
please go to the praise forum and read in praise of the penny catechism, then you will have a real catechism!
Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17
Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5
Truth is immutable! Cannot change!
And same truths revealed by Christ and taught by the church are always believed and taught from the beginning when Christ taught his church in person! Jude 1:3 the faith once delivered to the saints or the deposit of faith eph 4:5 one faith!
Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)
The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!
The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15
True Christians cannot listen to the errors of excommunicated heretics, but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!
1 pet 3:20-21 matt 18:17 matt 16:18-19 matt 28:19-20 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-23
Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)
Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:31 Jn 15:1-5)
Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!
Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 8:12 & Matt 5:14
Protestantism is the tradition of men!
no so called reformer was an apostle or has any authority from christ
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